"If you could lose your salvation, you would."

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As it would apply to most, common sense says so, all though I cannot judge who ultimately will or won't be saved. But those who are saved would act saved; not just boast of being saved.

Actually that's wrong , woman by well believed that Christ is messiah and first thing she did was go to people she hated and proclaim it , that's not boasting .

Also 1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1) So you can know if you have eternal life according to John , according to you we can't .

2) Eternal life would not be eternal if you could lose it when it was given to you right ?
 
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They cannot because there is no ongoing sacrifice , Christ died once for sin not every day . And you are not saved by being like Christ because Buddah was too a good person but he was not the lamb of God .

God can't have single sin in his presence , and if you commit one sin you are guilty of all .

James 2:10

Either your sins are put on Christ 2 Corinthians 5:21 and judged at cross , or your sins are still on you and you will die with your sins .
You are just enough right to confuse your self.

Those who show contempt for Christ's sacrifice have no sacrifice for sin lest. It is their contempt in deliberately allowing themselves to continue in sin that tries to sacrifice Christ afresh with each successive sin.

Perhaps you may need to become a little less intelligent that you can let God help you be intelligent?
 
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As it would apply to most, common sense says so, all though I cannot judge who ultimately will or won't be saved. But those who are saved would act saved; not just boast of being saved.
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But what your actually saying is, you really don't know for sure if OSAS is true or not.

But your suspicion is "NOT," only because you personally have come to the Issue with a Preconceived notion of the subject and the people who believe it, and you don't believe it as true.

Common sense at work.
 
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You are just enough right to confuse your self.

Those who show contempt for Christ's sacrifice have no sacrifice for sin lest. It is their contempt in deliberately allowing themselves to continue in sin that tries to sacrifice Christ afresh with each successive sin.

Perhaps you may need to become a little less intelligent that you can let God help you be intelligent?

So you say that when Jesus said it is finished he didn't really finish job with taking sin away and he needed your good deeds to make it work better ?
 
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Actually that's wrong , woman by well believed that Christ is messiah and first thing she did was go to people she hated and proclaim it , that's not boasting .

Also 1 John 5:13

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1) So you can know if you have eternal life according to John , according to you we can't .

2) Eternal life would not be eternal if you could lose it when it was given to you right ?
Again your intelligence tricks you. That is only true if you do indeed have Christ for Christ is your life. And that everlasting life is his; not yours until you complete your faithful walk in this life with him:

1 Peter 2:1 Laying aside therefore all malice and all guile and hypocrisies and envyings and all evil speakings,
2 as newborn babes desire earnestly the pure mental milk of the word, that by it ye may grow up to salvation,
3 if indeed ye have tasted that the Lord is good. (Douay)
 
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Again your intelligence tricks you. That is only true if you do indeed have Christ for Christ is your life. And that everlasting life is his; not yours until you complete your faithful walk in this life with him:

1 Peter 2:1 Laying aside therefore all malice and all guile and hypocrisies and envyings and all evil speakings,
2 as newborn babes desire earnestly the pure mental milk of the word, that by it ye may grow up to salvation,
3 if indeed ye have tasted that the Lord is good. (Douay)

Can you really explain one thing to me but think about it .

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


What was your input of being born first time ? Did you tell your mom and dad that you wanted to be born or it simply just happend without your work ?

If so if you need to be born again , why would you think that this time you have to do something , if you did not have to do it first time ?
 
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So you say that when Jesus said it is finished he didn't really finish job with taking sin away and he needed your good deeds to make it work better ?
I am saying you twist what Jesus meant there just as you do much else by your lack of understanding.

What Jesus was referring to being finished is just the part he fulfilled of the OT to get that sacrifice to us and usher in the New Covenant. And you would know that is you did not let yourself be blown this way and that by every wind of doctrine which has come to us since the first century.
 
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Can you really explain one thing to me but think about it .

3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


What was your input of being born first time ? Did you tell your mom and dad that you wanted to be born or it simply just happend without your work ?

If so if you need to be born again , why would you think that this time you have to do something , if you did not have to do it first time ?
I listened to the Scriptures and learned how to cooperate with the spirit of God as that process of being born again progresses forward. It is like being in the womb again for a figurative 9 months and there are some earlier births and some later births.

Any thing else?
 
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If you are willing to slow down and really listen for a short spell I and my brother Paul will teach you what is involved in being born again and while at we will teach you what Romans 3:1-2 really means.

Romans 3:1-2 is something many Jews boast about just because they are Jews but they do not really understand what Paul meant. But you can if you will allow Paul and I to show you?
 
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1 Peter 2:1 Laying aside therefore all malice and all guile and hypocrisies and envyings and all evil speakings,
2 as newborn babes desire earnestly the pure mental milk of the word, that by it ye may grow up to salvation,
3 if indeed ye have tasted that the Lord is good. (Douay)
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I now understand where it is your getting all of your misinformation from.
You read a Translation that adds things to the Text.

If you would take the time to read from a Greek Interlinear Bible, you would find, there is an addition in you Bible.

If that is what your going to keep using as your source, the discussion is over.
 
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The answer may just be too wonderful for you to hear.

Here in summation is that work we do:

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
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You can cut the Condescending attitude.

Those were the Commandments Jesus was speaking of?
Surely there must be more than that.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus was saying Keep My Commandments, way before the Last supper.
 
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I now understand where it is your getting all of your misinformation from.
You read a Translation that adds things to the Text.

If you would take the time to read from a Greek Interlinear Bible, you would find, there is an addition in you Bible.

If that is what your going to keep using as your source, the discussion is over.
You understand nothing. I rarely even use that particular translation. I understand Greek and use the Greek texts for the most part, referencing various versions of translations simply for the ease of convenience when i see that they are translated well.

Practically all Scholars today know that those words do belong there in that text. Sorry you missed the boat.
 
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You can cut the Condescending attitude.

Those were the Commandments Jesus was speaking of?
Surely there must be more than that.

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jesus was saying Keep My Commandments, way before the Last supper.
You can cut the Condescending attitude. That is all you have presented from the binning.
 
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I listened to the Scriptures and learned how to cooperate with the spirit of God as that process of being born again progresses forward. It is like being in the womb again for a figurative 9 months and there are some earlier births and some later births.

Any thing else?


Just for the record......I agree with James....Faith without works is dead....works follow salvation just as sure as night follows day. I also agree with his “ sins of omission”.How are you Law- keepers doing with that one.Please address this Buzz and you can be the first to do so. Excuse me,I think I see a homeless stranger outside that I must invite into my home as James said to do.We can’t just pick and choose which laws to keep, can we.
 
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You can cut the Condescending attitude. That is all you have presented from the binning.
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I fully understand your tactic, when you can't back up your beliefs, it is easier for you to attack a persons Intelligence, Salvation, Understanding, than to just have a conversation.

As far as my attitude goes, it's just that you don't like for anyone to show your wrong, to question your beliefs on any level.
 
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But what your actually saying is, you really don't know for sure if OSAS is true or not.

But your suspicion is "NOT," only because you personally have come to the Issue with a Preconceived notion of the subject and the people who believe it, and you don't believe it as true.

Common sense at work.
What I am saying is that OSAS presumes too much before reaching perfection and immortality.

Take it any way you wish.
 
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I fully understand your tactic, when you can't back up your beliefs, it is easier for you to attack a persons Intelligence, Salvation, Understanding, than to just have a conversation.

As far as my attitude goes, it's just that you don't like for anyone to show your wrong, to question your beliefs on any level.
Have it your way. :)

You have set your heart on what you say, so keep on believing it. But don't seek to cause trouble for others as you are now doing.
 
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What I am saying is that OSAS presumes too much before reaching perfection and immortality.

Take it any way you wish.
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All I'm hearing from you are unfounded assumptions on what you call truth.
It,s all hog wash............END!
 
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Just for the record......I agree with James....Faith without works is dead....works follow salvation just as sure as night follows day. I also agree with his “ sins of omission”.How are you Law- keepers doing with that one.Please address this Buzz and you can be the first to do so. Excuse me,I think I see a homeless stranger outside that I must invite into my home as James said to do.We can’t just pick and choose which laws to keep, can we.
You are not far off from it in thinking that but the truth is that as much or more Scripture speaks of Salvation using the future tense than it does as a sense of it in the present and that is because what we are given for now is only the taste of it. You seem reasonable enough to admit that.

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

1 Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
 
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