2 Peter 3:8, Lireral Or Symbolic?

DavidPT · Jan 29, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Your tribulation saints seen in Revelation 20:4 are also seen in Revelation 6:10-11, they are given white robes and are waiting for the tribulation to end.

A far cry from a literal 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans running around.

What's your point? My point has been this. These tribulation saints you are speaking of per Revelation 20:4, who can also be seen in Revelation 6:10-11, which I agree with you, when does this tribulation occur? Only 3 possible choices. Before the thousand years, during the thousand years, or after the thousand years. Revelation 20:4 proves it's not after the thousand years, so we can rule that choice out. satan being bound in the pit during the thousand years proves it can't take place during that time either since one can't have this tribulation without satan's involvement. What does that leave remaining as a choice? And what does that choice obviously indicate? That only Premil can work with that choice.

Truth7t7 · Jan 30, 2018

DavidPT said:
What's your point? My point has been this. These tribulation saints you are speaking of per Revelation 20:4, who can also be seen in Revelation 6:10-11, which I agree with you, when does this tribulation occur? Only 3 possible choices. Before the thousand years, during the thousand years, or after the thousand years. Revelation 20:4 proves it's not after the thousand years, so we can rule that choice out. satan being bound in the pit during the thousand years proves it can't take place during that time either since one can't have this tribulation without satan's involvement. What does that leave remaining as a choice? And what does that choice obviously indicate? That only Premil can work with that choice.

Revelation 6:10-11 proves the 1000 years is taking place "During The Tribulation" and prior to the second advent, this is showing you the tribulation saints here and Revelation 20:4 are in white robes in the Lords spiritual realm of "No Literal Time" thousand not literal, as they are reflecting to the earth waiting for Satan's "Little Season" to end at the second advent, final judgment, eternal kingdom.

If you guessed the non-literal 1000 years are taking place now in the Lords spiritual, up until the second advent, you hit the nail on the head.

There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, with mortal humans running around.

Sad thing is, millennialist take Revelation 20:4, that is clearly explained in Revelation 6:7-11 as these tribulation saints being in the Lords spiritual, waiting for the tribulation to end?

And they create a literal 1000 year kingdom on earth out of this verse, with mortal humans running around, as Jews are in Jerusalem sacrificing animals in remembrance to Jesus Christ, as he sits on a earthly throne, watching humans dying all around him?

"And They Really Believe It"!

keras · Jan 30, 2018

Galaxy Hunter said:
Also, keras, in post #12 you mentioned Luke 31:32. Since Luke only has 24 chapters is that a misprint?

Sorry typo; Luke 13:32
In that verse Jesus said; Today and tomorrow I will work, then on the third day; I will receive My reward.
Only now, as nearly 2000 years have passed, with the benefit of hindsight, we can really comprehend the full meaning of this prophetic statement.

Postvieww · Jan 30, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You don't want to add to God's words, that comes with a big penalty. Revelation 22:18-19

Maybe I could have worded that a little better. Actually I believe there may be an unspecified period of time implied in the text of Genesis 1:1-2 but that is another topic.

I also believe you pulled Revelation 22:18-19 out of context to improperly use it on my statement.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

I believe “this book” is the book of Revelation not the entirety of scripture as you have alleged. I am not advocating changing Gods word but most of us do have own little private interpretations. I believe you incorrectly and unfairly used Revelation 22 to try and correct me.

Galaxy Hunter · Jan 30, 2018

keras said:
Sorry typo; Luke 13:32
In that verse Jesus said; Today and tomorrow I will work, then on the third day; I will receive My reward.
Only now, as nearly 2000 years have passed, with the benefit of hindsight, we can really comprehend the full meaning of this prophetic statement.

This idea is really something to think about. I have never heard it before and I need time to give it more thought. I like stuff like this that gets a train of thought rolling.Thanks.

BryanJohnMaloney · Jan 30, 2018

Greek. Please study some Greek. Much of the New Testament was written in Greek. At that time "χίλιοι" could literally mean "one thousand" but it could also be a poetic figure to indicate "totally inclusive, with nothing left out". In other words, one of God's "days" is all of human time.

Cat Loaf You · Jan 30, 2018

Hopefully it's not symbolic .

lismore · Jan 30, 2018

Galaxy Hunter said:
Good point. I've wondered that about the first part of Genesis with the word "day". Is it not to be taken as a literal 24 hour day? Could it be millions or billions of years?

According to what God says in Exodus 20:11 (the basis of our seven day week) it was indeed a literal seven day period, each day of twenty four hours.

To answer the OP. God created in six days and rested on the seventh. A day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day. Six thousand years of travail since the creation then a thousand year millenium of rest. God Bless

Ken Rank · Jan 31, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Many find it hard to believe the use of "One Thousand" could be symbolic, as I believe this teaching is to show us, "No Earthly Time" in the Lords spiritual realm?

These same words "One Thousand" are used in Revelation 20:1-6, is this the Lords spiritual realm?

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

Seems 100% the Lords spiritual realm to me?

1. A literal 1000 years?
2. A literal day?
3. Symbolic for no time in the Lords spiritual?

2 Peter 3:8King James Version (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

For an eternal (timeless) God, a thousand years is not relevant... it has no meaning to one who exists outside of time. Therefore, I see this as more of a keygen to unlock prophecy since God does USE time. For example... 6 days we work and 1 day we rest. The 6 days we work are equal to 6000 years, since Adam, where we have had to work but also decay and die. The day of rest equal to the 1000 year reign where we will have been perfected and will not decay or die. That is just one example... I think another is found in Hosea 6:1-2

Steve Petersen · Jan 31, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Many find it hard to believe the use of "One Thousand" could be symbolic, as I believe this teaching is to show us, "No Earthly Time" in the Lords spiritual realm?

These same words "One Thousand" are used in Revelation 20:1-6, is this the Lords spiritual realm?

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

Seems 100% the Lords spiritual realm to me?

1. A literal 1000 years?
2. A literal day?
3. Symbolic for no time in the Lords spiritual?

2 Peter 3:8King James Version (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

This is based on Psalm 90:4. The idea of a 1000 year Messianic Era can be found in Jewish literature.

It has been taught in accordance with R. Kattina: Just as the seventh year is one year of release in seven, so is the world: one thousand years out of seven shall be fallow, as it is written, And the Lord alone shall be exalted in that day,' and it is further said, A Psalm and song for the Sabbath day {Psalm 92:1}, meaning the day that is altogether Sabbath — and it is also said, For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past {Psalm 90:4}. b. Sanhedrin 97a

Kattina lived in the third century, but the tradition is probably earlier.

Open Heart · Feb 1, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Many find it hard to believe the use of "One Thousand" could be symbolic, as I believe this teaching is to show us, "No Earthly Time" in the Lords spiritual realm?

These same words "One Thousand" are used in Revelation 20:1-6, is this the Lords spiritual realm?

Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

Seems 100% the Lords spiritual realm to me?

1. A literal 1000 years?
2. A literal day?
3. Symbolic for no time in the Lords spiritual?

2 Peter 3:8King James Version (KJV)
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

It's completely figurative. God lives in eternity,, outside of space time. We cant' understand what it is like to live without a where or a when. Therefore we use expressions like one day is like a thousand years to the lord, and vice versa, etc. it just basically means that our time means absolutely nothing to a God who exists in eternity.

God bless Joshua · Feb 1, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

When the saints live forever with Almighty God in New Jerusalem they will feel the same thing.

As there will only be joy and joy and joy and gladness and peace and mercy and love and abundancy and beauty beyond measure, they wont feel the time elapsed any more.

Steve Petersen · Feb 1, 2018

God bless Joshua said:
When the saints live forever with Almighty God in New Jerusalem they will feel the same thing.

As there will only be joy and joy and joy and gladness and peace and mercy and love and abundancy and beauty beyond measure, they wont feel the time elapsed any more.

How boring. And we do this for eternity? Sitting around singing, strumming our harps, and telling God how great he is? You can have it.

Mark51 · Feb 7, 2018

I do not interpret this to be literal. Have you ever, for example, exaggerated in reproving someone by saying: “How many time have I told you? I told you a thousand times!” Do you get the point? Consider Hebrews 4:3-10. God is still in his “rest” from creation which was thousands of years ago. Compare Genesis 2:1-3.

Steve Petersen · Feb 7, 2018

Mark51 said:
I do not interpret this to be literal. Have you ever, for example, exaggerated in reproving someone by saying: “How many time have I told you? I told you a thousand times!” Do you get the point? Consider Hebrews 4:3-10. God is still in his “rest” from creation which was thousands of years ago. Compare Genesis 2:1-3.

Yet Jesus said, 'My father works, and I work.' John 5:17

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