Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

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Any sin that is considered to be sin in the New Testament under the new covenant (NOT Jewish laws about food, days, festivals), such as but not limited to:

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21 NKJV)
So you come here accusing participants of these on going sins. Really? Why?

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So you come here accusing participants of these on going sins. Really? Why?
This is a theology forum. We are here to discuss about theology, not making accusations. You are projecting too much.
 
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My DI would yell this is a NO GO.

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That is a blanket NO, to my entire post.

My comment began in a response to another saying, Jews and Gentiles were the children of Abraham.

I clarified that not ALL Jews and Gentiles are children of Abraham.

Gal 3
[7] Know ye therefore that
THEY WHICH ARE OF FAITH, the SAME ARE the children of Abraham.

Again NOT ALL JEWS and GENTILES ARE children of Abraham....ONLY THOSE WHO ARE OF FAITH.

Your blanket NO, has just become invalid.

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I made a comment about the op in relationship to the same verses found elsewhere and what was being emphasized. I did not discuss it. It seems you took offense. Why?

Good question. I do believe she brought it up.


I know all the passages you quoted afterwards. If you are not aiming at the sabbath your OP is more less useless. What I feel is a cover is bogus because I do not believe you know anyone here is doing any of the sins mentioned with later quotes. So what is your real deal?
As I said, this is a theology subforum and we are here to discuss about theology. Unfortunately I have no control over your projection and suspicion.
 
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Are you trying to justify murder?

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WHAAAAT? I didn't say any such thing!
How does stating facts, translate to justifying the facts?

Men lie. That's a fact. Does that somehow mean, I am trying to "justify" men lying?

Come on man.

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I would say ... more specifically what Scripture says.

Quench repeatedly speaks of "putting out a fire".

God is often called FIRE.


1 Thes 5
19 Quench not the Spirit.

How?

1 Thes 5
20 Despise not prophesying
21 Prove all things;
Hold on to what is good
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil

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That's good too. But mine works for me in my own life, as I mainly obey the Spirit regarding sin. The gifts are extra. When I receive a prophecy, all that is required of me is to be open to it and discern when it is God. I've heard Him enough to be fully acquainted with His voice. And what He says, always comes to pass.
 
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The Holy Spirit super-sensitizes our conscience. We love what God loves, and hates what God hates. Going against our conscience is quenching the Spirit.


Ahhhh......my worthy foe.....finally we agree! Now, if you will just leave it right there.....I will quit bringing up “ sins of omission” lol ! It should be noted that OSAS monsters like me believe the exact same way.I am a free man in Christ and for this unmerited favor He has granted us you had better believe that if I abuse that freedom God will chastise me.He will not damn me.That is the purpose of chastisement—— temporal punishment here instead of the eternal punishment the world will endure.God bless you
 
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Ahhhh......my worthy foe.....finally we agree! Now, if you will just leave it right there.....I will quit bringing up “ sins of omission” lol ! It should be noted that OSAS monsters like me believe the exact same way.I am a free man in Christ and for this unmerited favor He has granted us you had better believe that if I abuse that freedom God will chastise me.He will not damn me.That is the purpose of chastisement—— temporal punishment here instead of the eternal punishment the world will endure.God bless you
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If I might add the appropriate verse.

1 Cor. 5:5
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 
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From all your responses to me on this thread, I don't think you know me and my theology at all. You projected and misinterpreted almost everything I posted. Feel free to go through my post history to show me where and when I ever said sabbath is a requirement for Christians under the new convenant.
What did I misinterpret? You leave things wide open. This puts everyone in a guessing game. You ask for specific words. Are you really here accusing others of perpetual on going sin in general? I must ask for what purpose because it makes no sense. That would only inflame others including those not guilty.
 
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That part would be ours. Do we want to please God or man? Either way God didn't create sinners-and His plan has never been to ignore justice for His wayward creation but rather to restore it, to get us on board with His will. And this begins, from our part, with faith.
I have no problem with the pleasing God part. My statement was about pleasing others. What generally goes on in most churches is the enforcement of unwritten and unquestioned practices of law if not the law. Here what is happening is some are trying to enforce the law the Christian has no obligation to. Yes murder, adultery, lying etc are unquestionably wrong (sin). I don't think anyone here is promoting those things. I know I'm not promoting sin. It's a back unguarded door approach to enforce the law. I've seen the statement here "there's no such thing as obedience by incidence." You can't prove obedience to something by incidence. Paul said even the gentiles who have not the law prove what God has imprinted on the soul recognizing things as wrong (sin).

Romans 2

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;

Now you said something about restore His wayward creation. May I ask restored to what? I've no problem with it requiring faith.
 
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Why are you wasting time on a primarily gentile board?

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I'd really like to know why some are saying only "Israel" when the NT says the world. What they're doing locks everyone but Israel out from redemption (relationship with God). There's no indication in the NT any convert to Christianity became a Jew subscribing to the covenant given to Israel at Sinai.
 
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Then in your opinion we are obligated to the law covenant. Fortunately the Bible disagrees with you on this.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. I Tim 1

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So many great verses to support your point. I see you left out one of your favorites:

Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
 
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It is very true Jesus is talking about the law. The deal is Jesus referred to only "these" commandments in His statement of v 19. That means Jesus is only talking about the ones He referred to.

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I think your right I was reading that scripture. I started thinking. It sounds like Jesus is talking about the new commandment he declared with his disciples . I really don't like getting into debates or arguments about scripture. That's why I stay away from those forums. I really appreciate your feedback.
 
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Good question. I do believe she brought it up.

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I think she said you did in 129 by simply using the word sabbath while responding to someone else about another thread, no less. I didn't see anything in your post discussing the sabbath. Not even an indication you wanted to do so. She then jumped all over it with the Colossians 2:16 quote used by a certain group of people for support. Why would she do this if that isn't what she has in mind? Is she here just accusing others of general on going sin? I don't think so. Yes she has been pretty careful to talk all around it. I question why she appears to be accusing people she doesn't know of the list found in one of her quotes. Doesn't make sense to me.
 
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Wow! and you even quoted it. I just do not understand some people.

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I'm not 100% sure if Jesus was talking about the old law. I started meditating on the scripture and I came to a better understanding he might of been talking about the new commandment he declared with his disciples. I apologize for sounding kinda of stubborn. I think your right. Keep up the good work.
 
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I understood what she is saying, so I don't know why you need it to be more specific. You either know something is wrong, or you don't. Whatever it is.
I'm reasonably sure what she meant. I can't state it without her admission. If I did I would be sanctioned for accusing of something that doesn't exist. I know murder, lying, adultery are sin. She must be talking about something I don't know. Otherwise she is making a general statement accusing others she doesn't know. Even if she did this isn't the place to make public statements about it. This is bating and against the rules. Supporting her argument with a quote listing sins (works of the flesh) makes no sense if this isn't the case.
 
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I can now fully understand why your so ignorant about things in the Bible.
Christians like to argue about scripture all day that's fine. I rather stay away from it. It takes a lot of energy. I rather spend my time in praying and worship.
 
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I know you were. You also refuse to consider Luke 24:44 a direct reference to your verse.Don't understand how this relates to the discussion.
Nice scripture. Good work. I love that scripture.
 
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