Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

The Times said:
Yes passing from this temporal life as we say in the Eastern Orthdox faith, to eternal life, to be forever present with the glorified Lord.

The verse is not about the future.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

Alexpro said:
Yes it does. just read it. It's very clear and straight forward its referring to the law. I'm going by scripture. I agree with Jesus. You could impose your personal opinion. That's on you.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break, one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven

I think it's talking about you. I'm going by scripture. It's very clear and straight forward you can't twist this one like a lot of heretics do.

Wow! and you even quoted it. I just do not understand some people.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

Alexpro said:
Another point. If you read the scripture and if your trying to get the correct and accurate interpretation.

First of all read chapter 5:19.

Mathew 5:19
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,

Jesus is talking about the old law because in the new covenant with Jesus there is no new law or new commandment like declared in the Old Testament so it's not really hard to figure out that Jesus is talking about the old law from the Old Testament. The commandments are in the Old Testament. We don't have new commandments in the New Testament.

Jesus said he came to fulfill not take away. I'm going by scripture.

It is very true Jesus is talking about the law. The deal is Jesus referred to only "these" commandments in His statement of v 19. That means Jesus is only talking about the ones He referred to.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

JIMINZ said:
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No, your wrong, as with everything else you say.

I would say this type of response is not much of an argument.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

JIMINZ said:
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Ignorance is not believing what you read in the Bible.

Mat. 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Why are you wasting time on a primarily gentile board?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

SBC said:
The key of understanding is IT DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL JEWS OR ALL GENTILES.

It does INCLUDE ALL the children "OF" ABRAHAM, via promise, which IS ALL the children "OF" ISRAEL, via promise.

ALL the children of ABRAHAM, of ISRAEL...
"ARE"...."ALL" the children ...
"WHO" have the "SEED of God".

Not ALL will accept or receive, the SEED of God. As Scripture teaches, comparatively to ALL men born, many are called, FEW are chosen; many are born, FEW shall be saved.

God Bless,
SBC

My DI would yell this is a NO GO.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

SBC said:
You are a bit confused.

All are children of God.
All are not children of Abraham, or Israel.

All are not "sons of God".

All who are OF Gods SEED;
...ARE son's of God
...ARE of Abraham's children by Promise.
.......(Children)
...ARE "ISRAEL", by Promise.
.......(entitled to occupy Abraham's LAND).

Abraham has STOCK (his) seed descendants.

Abraham also has descendants who are descendants BY PROMISE. "THEY" all have SPIRITUAL (Gods) SEED.

Gentiles are NOT Abraham's stock.
Jews ARE Abraham's stock.

Gentiles becomes children of Abraham, when Gentiles have the SEED of God.

Jews become children of Abraham, when Jews have the SEED of God.

Thus IT IS those with the Spiritual SEED of God, that become Abraham's Children and ALL of ISRAEL, that is SAVED.

Every man WHO HAS the SEED of God; Abraham is his earthly father....so too was it when Jesus arrived on earth, and he was called the Son of man. Christ Jesus, IS the SEED of God, and WHY Jesus was before Abraham, and after Abraham.
And (before), Abraham was glad to see Jesus' day, in the day, Abraham received the SEED of God.

Yes.

God Bless,
SBC

You are misinformed.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

listed said:
No one can deal with some general statement. You must identify what sin you're talking about. I doubt if anyone here is committing murder or wanting your stuf.

What is she talking about?

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

Old Trapper said:
Identifying to who?

We all know that is an incomplete interpretation of the scripture, and thus a false teaching. Scripture says that to understand the mind of God one must study the word as is written in Isaiah 28: 9-11

"Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people."

If you were to take that one scripture then all "christians" would be perfect, and we know that is not true.

First you say that a Christian cannot sin, then you say that to teach otherwise is a false teaching, yet scripture says no man is without sin. Now, if one were to accept your "teaching" what is the reason for "confessing your sins one to another", or even Gods forgiveness? What would be the purpose of the commandments, or the law? If that were to be true would it it not mean that Christ was not the only perfect being (God made man)?

Are you not the one who is making Gods word false?

He does seem confused.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

listed said:
How did buggy twist Luke 24:44?

Yes I want to know, please.

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

jmldn2 said:
I'm not correct "in a way." Scripture clearly states what salvation is and what unbelief is. Sin is going to be there as long as we live in our earthly bodies.

Then in your opinion we are obligated to the law covenant. Fortunately the Bible disagrees with you on this.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. I Tim 1

bugkiller

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

listed said:
If you don't intend to be discussing the sabbath in the OP why are you quoting this verse?

Good question. I do believe she brought it up.

bugkiller

1stcenturylady · Jan 29, 2018

listed said:
No one can deal with some general statement. You must identify what sin you're talking about. I doubt if anyone here is committing murder or wanting your stuf.

I understood what she is saying, so I don't know why you need it to be more specific. You either know something is wrong, or you don't. Whatever it is.

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

jmldn2 said:
The problem is that as long as we live on this earth we are in that "body of flesh" and it continually will war against our spirit. And yes Paul also says "the things I should do i don, and the things I shouldn't do I do." paraphrased. Paul understood that while we seek perfection, we will never achieve it

Correct we live in a body of flesh. Incorrect that body is never redeemed. Our soul is redeemed and born again. The Christian is dead to the law (Rom5-7) and already passed the judgment (JN 5:24)

bugkiller

Lily of Valleys · Jan 29, 2018

listed said:
If you don't intend to be discussing the sabbath in the OP why are you quoting this verse?

Before you comment on other people's post, please consider the context of the conversation. I was responding to @bugkiller who was the one who first brought up sabbath in post #129

Lily of Valleys · Jan 29, 2018

listed said:
No one can deal with some general statement. You must identify what sin you're talking about. I doubt if anyone here is committing murder or wanting your stuf.

Any sin that is considered to be sin in the New Testament under the new covenant (NOT Jewish laws about food, days, festivals), such as but not limited to:

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21 NKJV)

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

Old Trapper said:
Oh, oh, another master of all. No lord of the gospels, please tell me what that "one fact" (as if there was only one) is that divides the people.

Remember, it was you that said Christ did not come to divide.

I had a t shirt that said the cross divides.

bugkiller

SBC · Jan 29, 2018

1stcenturylady said:
The Holy Spirit super-sensitizes our conscience. We love what God loves, and hates what God hates. Going against our conscience is quenching the Spirit.

I would say ... more specifically what Scripture says.

Quench repeatedly speaks of "putting out a fire".

God is often called FIRE.

1 Thes 5
19 Quench not the Spirit.

How?

1 Thes 5
20 Despise not prophesying
21 Prove all things;
Hold on to what is good
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil

God Bless,
SBC

SBC · Jan 29, 2018

bugkiller said:
Last time I checked murder was a sin. That would be between men the same as other sins.

bugkiller

Murder is killing of the innocent.
Who is innocent? ;0

And that would be a trespass between men.

Men are to forgive men of Trespasses.

Luke 17: 3 ~ 4

Only God forgives sin.

Luke 5:21
Matt 9:6

God Bless,
SBC

bugkiller · Jan 29, 2018

Lily of Valleys said:
Before you comment on other people's post, please consider the context of the conversation. I was responding to @bugkiller who was the one who first brought up sabbath in post #129

I made a comment about the op in relationship to the same verses found elsewhere and what was being emphasized. I did not discuss it. It seems you took offense. Why? I know all the passages you quoted afterwards. If you are not aiming at the sabbath your OP is more less useless. What I feel is a cover is bogus because I do not believe you know anyone here is doing any of the sins mentioned with later quotes. So what is your real deal?

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