Are professed Christians who deliberately practice sin saved?

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Post # 338 (SBC)

Have you any clue, what is the ONE FACT, that DIVIDES the people?

Oh, oh, another master of all. No lord of the gospels, please tell me what that "one fact" (as if there was only one) is that divides the people.

SBC is your master, lord of the gospels?
WOW, that is some testimony out of your mouth.

"YOUR WORDS" are beyond dissusional.

John 3
12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

(Psst - your public education failed you. You should learn the difference between a QUESTION and A CLAIM. Perhaps that will help you from making FALSE ACCUSATIONS against others.)

God Bless,
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Somebody got up a little [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y this morning. Now, I don't see where anyone has a problem understanding what I say save for some who are so ingrained in their own egos to think others might have some knowledge greater then theirs. In another thread I was posting in a poster kept asking me a question over, and over, again.

Thank you for sharing your words out of your mouth, of what has gotten you....

a little [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]y

Eventually I had answered the question in three different ways,

Thank you for sharing, A poster asked you over and over to answer A question....and that you EVENTUALLY answered the person.

and then she finally changed the topic insinuating something I had not said.

Thank you for sharing you EVENTUALLY answered another poster, in 3 ways.

Thank you for sharing this other poster INSINUATED something you had not said.

Was it the INSINUATION that bothered you?
Perhaps you would have PERFERED, the other poster, do as YOU DO, and FLAT OUT make a FALSE CLAIM "FOR YOU"!

I have a feeling you are similar in lacking the ability to understand the spoken, or written, word save for an in depth description of what ever the topic might be.

I have NO INTEREST in "your opinioned feelings'.

You have already revealed, out of your own mouth, You are in delusion of WHO your Master is, and WHO is the Lord of the gospels.

You have already revealed, out of your own mouth, basic common sense eludes you, that you know not the difference between A QUESTION and A CLAIM.

You have already revealed, out of your own mouth, YOU MAKE FALSE CLAIMS, for others.

I find having a conversation with you, requires one to BEWARE, of your dillusions and false claims.

God Bless,
SBC
 
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Why or why not? Please explain with the support of the scripture.

EDIT: Let me rephrase the question to make it clearer. The question is NOT whether a Christian needs to be sinless in order to be saved, but rather, whether a truly born-again Christian with the Holy Spirit living within them would choose to deliberately commit a sin over and over again, with no intention to make effort to eliminate that sin from their life.


For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries. (Hebrews 10:26-27 NASB)

What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? (Romans 6:1-2 NASB)

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? (Romans 6:15-16 NASB)

No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:6-9 NASB)

John 10:27-29 King James Version (KJV)
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I think it's a nice scare tactic to imply that people are going to hell. I believe that once someone turns to Jesus, they are always on the path towards heaven, even if their life is a total sinful disaster. I inherited a belief in purgatory from my great grandmother, and I believe that people who live sinful lives after turning to Jesus need to be prayed for after they die before they enter heaven. The verse below is in the Catholic Bible, and I think it's considered an optional text for Anglicans. I think someone would have to hate God, Jesus, and make some sort of conscious decision against life in general to go to hell, which is why I don't think many people go there. I would never say at a person's funeral that they had gone to hell, but I would definitely pray for someone to go to heaven after they died, and if they were so evil that they had gone straight to hell, it would be out of my hands. I'll put a passage from Luke about the finality of hell at the very bottom.

2 Maccabees 12:44-45 King James Version (KJV)
44 For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should have risen again, it had been superfluous and vain to pray for the dead. 45 And also in that he perceived that there was great favour laid up for those that died godly, it was an holy and good thought. Whereupon he made a reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.

Luke 16:19-31 King James Version (KJV)

19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
 
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) A Christian cannot sin.........Really? Tell that to the guy in Paul’s Church in Corinth....Sleeping with your Mother is not a sin?

So was he a Christian? No. Being in church services doesn't make one a Christian. You just assume he was.
 
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Romans 8:9

The flesh is our carnal nature - the soul.

The question was....
What scripture teaches the "SOUL" is born again?

Romans 8:9 does not MENTION the "SOUL" or answer the question.

God Bless,
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So was he a Christian? No. Being in church services doesn't make one a Christian. You just assume he was.

Read the story....the guys Salvation was never questioned....if he was unsaved why was he welcomed back into the church? Paul never said kick him out of the church until he gets saved and then bring him back in.He was welcomed back when he gave up the sin. If their is no mention of this thing being a sAlvation problem,somebody else is making assumptions.God bless
 
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True repentance need be only a one time thing because once you are filled with the Spirit you a dead to sin and no longer walk in the flesh.

That is according to the Word of God.

That is the ideal.

Well, sure. However Scripture calls Gods Spirit in a man, a Sanctified and Perfected man.

However, if you do slip, you must repent.

Huh? A man with the Spirit of God IN HIM...
Can "slip". What is a "slip" ?

Walk in the Spirit: Nothing to repent of

Agree. The Lord has forgiven, washed, cleansed, All unrighteousness, Sanctified, Justified, Perfected the man, and His POWER remains in the man to KEEP Him from EVER AGAIN sinning.

if you don't commit any willful sins.

Huh? A mans WILL, is greater than Gods Spirit in a man?

You are teaching the Spirit of God, is DWELLING IN A MAN WHO IS COMMITTING SIN.

Does Scripture teach you God DWELLS IN SIN?

God Bless,
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Post # 338 (SBC)

SBC is your master, lord of the gospels?
WOW, that is some testimony out of your mouth.

"YOUR WORDS" are beyond dissusional.

Only if you lie, or cannot understand what was written. Then too, my parochial education, and years of college, taught me how to spell "delusional".

John 3
12: If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

(Psst - your public education failed you. You should learn the difference between a QUESTION and A CLAIM. Perhaps that will help you from making FALSE ACCUSATIONS against others.)

God Bless,
SBC

I don't make "false accusations". Your "question" was a claim in that you seem to need an answer:

post # 338 (SBC)
Children of God...TO THE CHURCH?
Some to the Church, Some not.
Don't they all have the breath of life, Gods Breath in them?
Isn't that a separation of HIS Children?

Did Jesus say, He came to DIVIDE?

Post # 368 (Old Trapper)

In fact He did.

Post # 380 (SBC)

Yes. Jesus came to DIVIDE.

Old Trapper said:
Remember, it was you that said Christ did not come to divide.


Your response in post #380 obviously came AFTER my post in 368 if you know how to count. And your posting of my comment out of context makes no difference.
 
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That is according to the Word of God.



Well, sure. However Scripture calls Gods Spirit in a man, a Sanctified and Perfected man.



Huh? A man with the Spirit of God IN HIM...
Can "slip". What is a "slip" ?



Agree. The Lord has forgiven, washed, cleansed, All unrighteousness, Sanctified, Justified, Perfected the man, and His POWER remains in the man to KEEP Him from EVER AGAIN sinning.



Huh? A mans WILL, is greater than Gods Spirit in a man?

You are teaching the Spirit of God, is DWELLING IN A MAN WHO IS COMMITTING SIN.

Does Scripture teach you God DWELLS IN SIN?

God Bless,
SBC

It is called quenching the Spirit. That's in scripture. We do have free will. But with the Holy Spirit we have the power not to yield to temptation.
 
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Read the story....the guys Salvation was never questioned....if he was unsaved why was he welcomed back into the church? Paul never said kick him out of the church until he gets saved and then bring him back in.He was welcomed back when he gave up the sin. If their is no mention of this thing being a sAlvation problem,somebody else is making assumptions.God bless

In order to come back into the congregation, he repented. Repentance is the key to salvation. Without repentance, one is not a Christian, no matter how many years he warms a pew.
 
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It is called quenching the Spirit. That's in scripture. We do have free will. But with the Holy Spirit we have the power not to yield to temptation.

I will agree Scripture says to not:
Quench the Spirit.

What does that mean to you?

God Bless,
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Agreed there's nothing wrong with eating meat or keeping the sabbath. You're really trying to force the sabbath as a requirement on the Christian. There's no such requirement in the new covenant. I'm very familiar with your argument. You're presenting a very classic SDA argument that can't be missed. This was your intent from the OP.
From all your responses to me on this thread, I don't think you know me and my theology at all. You projected and misinterpreted almost everything I posted. Feel free to go through my post history to show me where and when I ever said sabbath is a requirement for Christians under the new convenant.
 
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Perfection or appealing to and pleasing others?
That part would be ours. Do we want to please God or man? Either way God didn't create sinners-and His plan has never been to ignore justice for His wayward creation but rather to restore it, to get us on board with His will. And this begins, from our part, with faith.
 
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Actually no. I guess I should have been more accurate in my posting of that particular verse since it also refers to the Prophets, and I am certain not all prophecies have been fulfilled:

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill."

In fact, the Law is still our guide not that we are bound by it. For without the Law we would not know good and evil.
LK 24:44 covers that. It is a direct reference to Mat 5:17-18.

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Obedience according to WHAT?

God Bless,
SBC

The Holy Spirit super-sensitizes our conscience. We love what God loves, and hates what God hates. Going against our conscience is quenching the Spirit.
 
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