Matthew 24, The Preterist Double Standard?

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Matthew 24:21 "The great tribulation of those days"

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Matthew 24:30 "They shall see the Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds"

You can't have a 70AD Great Tribulation, And A 2000+ year and waiting "Second Advent" as seen.

Matthew 24:29-31 proves preterist 70 AD fulfillment wrong.

The Preterist Double Standard?

1.) A literal temple?

2.) A literal city Jerusalem?

3.) Literal houses, fields, clothes?

4.) Literal mountains ,Literal humans fleeing.

5.) Literal human Roman soldiers destroying

6.) Literal human eyes seeing the abomination of desolation, and great tribulation.

Then the Preterist gets to the "Weak Link" in the bicycle chain, Matthew 24:29-31 that shows the future second advent, taking place "immediately after" a future tribulation.

The preterist denies the literal second advent is seen, they remove literal human eyes watching Jesus coming in the clouds.

As they teach in error, this is a symbolic representation of Judgment upon Israel.

Also this represents symbolic allegory in apocalyptic language.

Jesus isn't literally seen coming in a cloud, and human eyes aren't seeing this heavenly return.

The Preterist Double Standard, From Literal To Symbolic In The Blink Of An Eye.

Preterist 70AD Fulfillment, A Teaching In Error.

Jesus Christ Is Lord.

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Matthew 24:21 "The great tribulation of those days"

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Matthew 24:30 "They shall see the Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds"

You can't have a 70AD Great Tribulation, And A 2000+ year and waiting "Second Advent" as seen.

Matthew 24:29-31 proves preterist 70 AD fulfillment wrong.

The Preterist Double Standard?

1.) A literal temple?

2.) A literal city Jerusalem?

3.) Literal houses, fields, clothes?

4.) Literal mountains ,Literal humans fleeing.

5.) Literal human Roman soldiers destroying

6.) Literal human eyes seeing the abomination of desolation, and great tribulation.

Then the Preterist gets to the "Weak Link" in the bicycle chain, Matthew 24:29-31 that shows the future second advent, taking place "immediately after" a future tribulation.

The preterist denies the literal second advent is seen, they remove literal human eyes watching Jesus coming in the clouds.

As they teach in error, this is a symbolic representation of Judgment upon Israel.

Also this represents symbolic allegory in apocalyptic language.

Jesus isn't literally seen coming in a cloud, and human eyes aren't seeing this heavenly return.

The Preterist Double Standard, From Literal To Symbolic In The Blink Of An Eye.

Preterist 70AD Fulfillment, A Teaching In Error.

Jesus Christ Is Lord.

Truth7t7
It's pretty easy to prove that preterist conclusions are foolishness. Beyond me how anyone could maintain this line of thinking.
 
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It's pretty easy to prove that preterist conclusions are foolishness. Beyond me how anyone could maintain this line of thinking.
Easy. By the witness, testimony, and evidence of both Scripture and history.

Here are the foolish conclusions of eight of church history's foolish brethren. Too bad they've passed on, otherwise you could alert them to their foolishness.

160AD Clement of Alexandria

(On Matthew 24:15, The Abomination of Desolation) "We have still to add to our chronology the following, -- I mean the days which Daniel indicates from the desolation of Jerusalem, the seven years and seven months of the reign of Vespasian. For the two years are added to the seventeen months and eighteen days of Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius; and the result is three years and six months, which is "the half of the week," as Daniel the prophet said. For he said that there were two thousand three hundred days from the time that the abomination of Nero stood in the holy city, till its destruction. For thus the declaration, which is subjoined, shows: "How long shall be the vision, the sacrifice taken away, the abomination of desolation, which is given, and the power and the holy place shall be trodden under foot? And he said to him, Till the evening and morning, two thousand three hundred days, and the holy place shall be taken away."


325AD Eusebius Pamphilius

Ecclesiastical History: (On Matthew 24:15) "--all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,-- all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus." (Book III, Ch. 5)


375AD John Chrysostom

Homily St. Matthew: (On Matthew 24:15) "And see how He relates the war, by the things that seem to be small setting forth how intolerable it was to be. For, "Then,"saith He, "let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains." Then, When? When these things should be, "when the abomination of desolation should stand in the holy place." Whence He seems to me to be speaking of the armies." (Homily 76, Number 1)


John Calvin

Matthew 24:15
When you shall see the abomination of desolation. Because the destruction of the temple and city of Jerusalem, together with the overthrow of the whole Jewish government, was (as we have already said) a thing incredible, and because it might be thought strange, that the disciples could not be saved without being torn from that nation, to which had been committed the adoption and the covenant(Romans 9:4) of eternal salvation, Christ confirms both by the testimony of Daniel As if he had said, That you may not be too strongly attached to the temple and to the ceremonies of the Law, God has limited them to a fixed time, 136 and has long ago declared, that when the Redeemer should come, sacrifices would cease; and that it may not give you uneasiness to be cut off from your own nation, God has also forewarned his people, that in due time it would be rejected.


Adam Clarke

Matthew 24:15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk 21:20, Luk 21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar 13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.

Matthew 24:16
Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains - This counsel was remembered and wisely followed by the Christians afterwards. Eusebius and Epiphanius say, that at this juncture, after Cestius Gallus had raised the siege, and Vespasian was approaching with his army, all who believed in Christ left Jerusalem and fled to Pella, and other places beyond the river Jordan; and so they all marvellously escaped the general shipwreck of their country: not one of them perished. See on Mat 24:13 (note).


Matthew Henry

Matthew 24:15
Here he comes more closely to answer their questions concerning the desolation of the temple; and what he said here, would be of use to his disciples, both for their conduct and for their comfort, in reference to that great event; he describes the several steps of that calamity, such as are usual in war.1. The Romans setting up the abomination of desolation in the holy place, v. 15. Now, (1.) Some understand by this an image, or statue, set up in the temple by some of the Roman governors, which was very offensive to the Jews, provoked them to rebel, and so brought the desolation upon them. The image of Jupiter Olympius, which Antiochus caused to be set upon the altar of God, is called Bdelygma eremoseos —The abomination of desolation, the very word here used by the historian, 1 Mac. 1:54 . Since the captivity in Babylon, nothing was, nor could be, more distasteful to the Jews than an image in the holy place, as appeared by the mighty opposition they made when Caligula offered to set up his statue there, which had been of fatal consequence, if it had not been prevented, and the matter accommodated, by the conduct of Petronius; but Herod did set up an eagle over the temple-gate; and, some say, the statue of Titus was set up in the temple. (2.) Others choose to expound it by the parallel place (Lu. 21:20 ),when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies. Jerusalem was the holy city, Canaan the holy land, the Mount Moriah, which lay about Jerusalem, for its nearness to the temple was, they thought in a particular manner holy ground; on the country lying round about Jerusalem the Roman army was encamped, that was the abomination that made desolate. The land of an enemy is said to be the land which thou abhorrest (Isa. 7:16 ); so an enemy’s army to a weak but wilful people may well be called the abomination.Now this is said to be spoken of by Daniel, the prophet, who spoke more plainly of the Messiah and his kingdom than any of the Old-Testament prophets did. He speaks of an abomination making desolate, which should be set up by Antiochus (Dan. 11:31Dan. 12:11 ); but this that our Saviour refers to, we have in the message that the angel brought him (Dan. 9:27 ), of what should come at the end of seventy weeks, long after the former; for the overspreading of abominations, or, as the margin reads it, with the abominable armies (which comes home to the prophecy here), he shall make it desolate.


John Wesley

Matthew 24:15-16
24:15
When ye see the abomination of desolation - Daniel's term is, The abomination that maketh desolate, Daniel 11:31 ; that is, the standards of the desolating legions, onwhich they bear the abominable images of their idols: Standing in the holy place - Not only the temple and the mountain on which it stood, but the whole city of Jerusalem, and several furlongs of land round about it, were accounted holy; particularly the mount on which our Lord now sat, and on which the Romans afterward planted their ensigns. He that readeth let him understand - Whoever reads that prophecy of Daniel, let him deeply consider it. 13:14 ; Luke 21:20; Dan 9:27.

24:16
Then let them who are in Judea flee to the mountains - So the Christians did, and were preserved. It is remarkable that after the Romans under Cestus Gallus made their first advances toward Jerusalem, they suddenly withdrew again, in a most unexpected and indeed impolitic manner. This the Christians took as a signal to retire, which they did, some to Pella, and others to Mount Libanus.


Charles Spurgeon

Matthew 24:15-18
This portion of our Savior’s words appears to relate solely to the destruction of Jerusalem. As soon as Christ’s disciples saw “the abomination of desolation,” that is, the Roman ensigns with their idolatrous emblems, “stand in the holy place,” they knew that the time for them to escape had arrived—and they did “flee into the mountains.” The Christians in Jerusalem and the surrounding towns and villages “in Judaea,” availed themselves of the first opportunity for eluding the Roman armies, and fled to the mountain city of Pella, in Perea, where they were preserved from the general destruction which overthrew the Jews. There was no time to spare before the final investment of the guilty city. The man “on the housetop” could “not come down to take anything out of his house,” and the man “in the field” could not “return back to take his clothes.” They must flee to the mountains in the greatest haste, the moment that they saw “Jerusalem compassed with armies” (Luke 21:20).
 
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Matthew 24:21 "The great tribulation of those days"

Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days"

Matthew 24:30 "They shall see the Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds"

You can't have a 70AD Great Tribulation, And A 2000+ year and waiting "Second Advent" as seen.

Matthew 24:29-31 proves preterist 70 AD fulfillment wrong.

The Preterist Double Standard?

1.) A literal temple?

2.) A literal city Jerusalem?

3.) Literal houses, fields, clothes?

4.) Literal mountains ,Literal humans fleeing.

5.) Literal human Roman soldiers destroying

6.) Literal human eyes seeing the abomination of desolation, and great tribulation.

Then the Preterist gets to the "Weak Link" in the bicycle chain, Matthew 24:29-31 that shows the future second advent, taking place "immediately after" a future tribulation.

The preterist denies the literal second advent is seen, they remove literal human eyes watching Jesus coming in the clouds.

As they teach in error, this is a symbolic representation of Judgment upon Israel.

Also this represents symbolic allegory in apocalyptic language.

Jesus isn't literally seen coming in a cloud, and human eyes aren't seeing this heavenly return.

The Preterist Double Standard, From Literal To Symbolic In The Blink Of An Eye.

Preterist 70AD Fulfillment, A Teaching In Error.

Jesus Christ Is Lord.

Truth7t7
Why fret over it? Everyone knows the truth here, except the few. Its not like they are even close to understanding, so its kinda a waste. People that are close on things I can go back and forth with, like us, we are close on most things. I will not even attempt to debate with a preterist. Its their business, let them believe as they wish.
 
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You can't have a 70AD Great Tribulation, And A 2000+ year and waiting "Second Advent" as seen.

Really...

You continue to ignore the differences between partial-preterism and full-preterism, in an attempt to make your viewpoint work.
It will not work.

You also continue to ignore John 10:22, in an attempt to make you viewpoint work.
Therefore, you continue to fail to "readeth and understand".



Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
(This is the same time of the Gentiles referred to by Paul in Romans 11:25.)

These next four verses contain the future Second Coming of Christ.


Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Go to the modern city of Jerusalem and you will find that the only thing the Romans left during 70 AD was the fort they had built near the Jewish temple.
Today it is mistakenly called "the Temple Mount".


See the link below.
The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
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Matthew 24:15-31

The Abomination of Desolation in Verse 15 causes that "Great Tribulation" as seen in Verse 21, as the inhabitants of Jerusalem flee to the mountains when they see this abomination.

In verse 29-30 we see the "Second Advent" that takes place immediately after the tribulation of "Those Day's" in verse 21

There ya have it, Antiochus Epiphanies in 170BC did not fulfill this Abomination, Titus Nor Nero fulfilled this.

The abomination of desolation, great tribulation, and second advent are future events unfulfilled, tied together in a sequence inseparable.
Really...

You continue to ignore the differences between partial-preterism and full-preterism, in an attempt to make your viewpoint work.
It will not work.

You also continue to ignore John 10:22, in an attempt to make you viewpoint work.
Therefore, you continue to fail to "readeth and understand".



Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
(This is the same time of the Gentiles referred to by Paul in Romans 11:25.)

These next four verses contain the future Second Coming of Christ.


Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Go to the modern city of Jerusalem and you will find that the only thing the Romans left during 70 AD was the fort they had built near the Jewish temple.
Today it is mistakenly called "the Temple Mount".


See the link below.
The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
.
 
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Clement of Alexandria Egypt is your foundational source, the individual who mixed his philosophy into teachings.

He was the teacher of the heretic Origen who taught the "pre-existence" of souls, and denied the deity of Jesus Christ, and was banished to Caeseria where he created a school propagating his heresies, Eusebius was a student of Pamphilius and Origen's school.

Pamphilius and Eusebius wrote a six volume work "Apology Of Origen" trying desperately to remove his Anathema.

Clement, Origen, Pamphilius, Eusebius

All in the lineage of the corrupt philosophical schools from Alexandria Egypt.

P.S. You can take John Chrysostom off your list, as he does no more that quote the verse.

I will follow the Orthodox lineage in Justin Martyr 100-165AD, Iranaeus 130-235AD, Hipolytus 170-235AD, that all taught of a future Antichrist, abomination of desolation, and great tribulation, from their 2nd and 3rd century lives.

(Clement, Of Alexandria Egypt)

Wikipedia: Titus Flavius Clemens (Greek: Κλήμης ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς; c. 150 – c. 215),[1] known as Clement of Alexandria to distinguish him from the earlier Clement of Rome, was a Christian theologian who taught at the Catechetical School of Alexandria. A convert to Christianity, he was an educated man who was familiar with classical Greek philosophy and literature. As his three major works demonstrate, Clement was influenced by Hellenistic philosophy to a greater extent than any other Christian thinker of his time, and in particular by Plato and the Stoics.[2] His secret works, which exist only in fragments, suggest that he was also familiar with pre-Christian Jewish esotericism and Gnosticism. In one of his works he argued that Greek philosophy had its origin among non-Greeks, claiming that both Plato and Pythagoras were taught by Egyptian scholars.[3] Among his pupils were Origen and Alexander of Jerusalem.

Easy. By the witness, testimony, and evidence of both Scripture and history.

Here are the foolish conclusions of eight of church history's foolish brethren. Too bad they've passed on, otherwise you could alert them to their foolishness.

160AD Clement of Alexandria

(On Matthew 24:15, The Abomination of Desolation) "We have still to add to our chronology the following, -- I mean the days which Daniel indicates from the desolation of Jerusalem, the seven years and seven months of the reign of Vespasian. For the two years are added to the seventeen months and eighteen days of Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius; and the result is three years and six months, which is "the half of the week," as Daniel the prophet said. For he said that there were two thousand three hundred days from the time that the abomination of Nero stood in the holy city, till its destruction. For thus the declaration, which is subjoined, shows: "How long shall be the vision, the sacrifice taken away, the abomination of desolation, which is given, and the power and the holy place shall be trodden under foot? And he said to him, Till the evening and morning, two thousand three hundred days, and the holy place shall be taken away."


325AD Eusebius Pamphilius

Ecclesiastical History: (On Matthew 24:15) "--all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,-- all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus." (Book III, Ch. 5)


375AD John Chrysostom

Homily St. Matthew: (On Matthew 24:15) "And see how He relates the war, by the things that seem to be small setting forth how intolerable it was to be. For, "Then,"saith He, "let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains." Then, When? When these things should be, "when the abomination of desolation should stand in the holy place." Whence He seems to me to be speaking of the armies." (Homily 76, Number 1)


John Calvin

Matthew 24:15
When you shall see the abomination of desolation. Because the destruction of the temple and city of Jerusalem, together with the overthrow of the whole Jewish government, was (as we have already said) a thing incredible, and because it might be thought strange, that the disciples could not be saved without being torn from that nation, to which had been committed the adoption and the covenant(Romans 9:4) of eternal salvation, Christ confirms both by the testimony of Daniel As if he had said, That you may not be too strongly attached to the temple and to the ceremonies of the Law, God has limited them to a fixed time, 136 and has long ago declared, that when the Redeemer should come, sacrifices would cease; and that it may not give you uneasiness to be cut off from your own nation, God has also forewarned his people, that in due time it would be rejected.


Adam Clarke

Matthew 24:15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk 21:20, Luk 21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar 13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.

Matthew 24:16
Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains - This counsel was remembered and wisely followed by the Christians afterwards. Eusebius and Epiphanius say, that at this juncture, after Cestius Gallus had raised the siege, and Vespasian was approaching with his army, all who believed in Christ left Jerusalem and fled to Pella, and other places beyond the river Jordan; and so they all marvellously escaped the general shipwreck of their country: not one of them perished. See on Mat 24:13 (note).


Matthew Henry

Matthew 24:15
Here he comes more closely to answer their questions concerning the desolation of the temple; and what he said here, would be of use to his disciples, both for their conduct and for their comfort, in reference to that great event; he describes the several steps of that calamity, such as are usual in war.1. The Romans setting up the abomination of desolation in the holy place, v. 15. Now, (1.) Some understand by this an image, or statue, set up in the temple by some of the Roman governors, which was very offensive to the Jews, provoked them to rebel, and so brought the desolation upon them. The image of Jupiter Olympius, which Antiochus caused to be set upon the altar of God, is called Bdelygma eremoseos —The abomination of desolation, the very word here used by the historian, 1 Mac. 1:54 . Since the captivity in Babylon, nothing was, nor could be, more distasteful to the Jews than an image in the holy place, as appeared by the mighty opposition they made when Caligula offered to set up his statue there, which had been of fatal consequence, if it had not been prevented, and the matter accommodated, by the conduct of Petronius; but Herod did set up an eagle over the temple-gate; and, some say, the statue of Titus was set up in the temple. (2.) Others choose to expound it by the parallel place (Lu. 21:20 ),when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies. Jerusalem was the holy city, Canaan the holy land, the Mount Moriah, which lay about Jerusalem, for its nearness to the temple was, they thought in a particular manner holy ground; on the country lying round about Jerusalem the Roman army was encamped, that was the abomination that made desolate. The land of an enemy is said to be the land which thou abhorrest (Isa. 7:16 ); so an enemy’s army to a weak but wilful people may well be called the abomination.Now this is said to be spoken of by Daniel, the prophet, who spoke more plainly of the Messiah and his kingdom than any of the Old-Testament prophets did. He speaks of an abomination making desolate, which should be set up by Antiochus (Dan. 11:31Dan. 12:11 ); but this that our Saviour refers to, we have in the message that the angel brought him (Dan. 9:27 ), of what should come at the end of seventy weeks, long after the former; for the overspreading of abominations, or, as the margin reads it, with the abominable armies (which comes home to the prophecy here), he shall make it desolate.


John Wesley

Matthew 24:15-16
24:15
When ye see the abomination of desolation - Daniel's term is, The abomination that maketh desolate, Daniel 11:31 ; that is, the standards of the desolating legions, onwhich they bear the abominable images of their idols: Standing in the holy place - Not only the temple and the mountain on which it stood, but the whole city of Jerusalem, and several furlongs of land round about it, were accounted holy; particularly the mount on which our Lord now sat, and on which the Romans afterward planted their ensigns. He that readeth let him understand - Whoever reads that prophecy of Daniel, let him deeply consider it. 13:14 ; Luke 21:20; Dan 9:27.

24:16
Then let them who are in Judea flee to the mountains - So the Christians did, and were preserved. It is remarkable that after the Romans under Cestus Gallus made their first advances toward Jerusalem, they suddenly withdrew again, in a most unexpected and indeed impolitic manner. This the Christians took as a signal to retire, which they did, some to Pella, and others to Mount Libanus.


Charles Spurgeon

Matthew 24:15-18
This portion of our Savior’s words appears to relate solely to the destruction of Jerusalem. As soon as Christ’s disciples saw “the abomination of desolation,” that is, the Roman ensigns with their idolatrous emblems, “stand in the holy place,” they knew that the time for them to escape had arrived—and they did “flee into the mountains.” The Christians in Jerusalem and the surrounding towns and villages “in Judaea,” availed themselves of the first opportunity for eluding the Roman armies, and fled to the mountain city of Pella, in Perea, where they were preserved from the general destruction which overthrew the Jews. There was no time to spare before the final investment of the guilty city. The man “on the housetop” could “not come down to take anything out of his house,” and the man “in the field” could not “return back to take his clothes.” They must flee to the mountains in the greatest haste, the moment that they saw “Jerusalem compassed with armies” (Luke 21:20).
 
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Clement of Alexandria Egypt is your foundational source, the individual who mixed philosophy with scripture.

He was the teacher of the heretic Origen who taught the "pre-existence" of souls, and denied the deity of Jesus Christ, and was banished to Caeseria where he created a school propagating his heresies, Eusebius was a student of Pamphilius and Origen's school.

Clement, Origen, Pamphilius, Eusebius

All in the lineage of the corrupt philosophical schools from Alexandria Egypt.

Wikipedia: Titus Flavius Clemens (Greek: Κλήμης ὁ Ἀλεξανδρεύς; c. 150 – c. 215),[1] known as Clement of Alexandria to distinguish him from the earlier Clement of Rome, was a Christian theologian who taught at the Catechetical School of Alexandria. A convert to Christianity, he was an educated man who was familiar with classical Greek philosophy and literature. As his three major works demonstrate, Clement was influenced by Hellenistic philosophy to a greater extent than any other Christian thinker of his time, and in particular by Plato and the Stoics.[2] His secret works, which exist only in fragments, suggest that he was also familiar with pre-Christian Jewish esotericism and Gnosticism. In one of his works he argued that Greek philosophy had its origin among non-Greeks, claiming that both Plato and Pythagoras were taught by Egyptian scholars.[3] Among his pupils were Origen and Alexander of Jerusalem.

Clement of Alexandria
Yes indeed. An heretic through and through. An undisputed enemy of the Kingdom of God. An impostor of the vilest kind. An implacable foe of truth in every age. The epitome of deception and apostasy. The quintessential instrument of Satan on this earth. The ultimate incarnation of evil.

Turn on your TV and flip the channels until you hit John Hagee, then fall to your knees in worship. You're seeing and hearing truth incarnate. The only purer source of it is yourself.
 
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Yes indeed. An heretic through and through. An undisputed enemy of the Kingdom of God. An impostor of the vilest kind. An implacable foe of truth in every age. The epitome of deception and apostasy. The quintessential instrument of Satan on this earth. The ultimate incarnation of evil.

Turn on your TV and flip the channels until you hit John Hagee, then fall to your knees in worship. You're seeing and hearing truth incarnate. The only purer source of it is yourself.
Pretty bold calling Truth7t7 a Heretic and pure souce of this, a false claim, accusation, and personal attack.

I'm glad to see the truth of your sources in Clement, Origen, Pamphilus, Eusebius, has hit home.

John Hagee is not only a Zionist heretic denying that Jesus came to save the Jews?

He's actively in Adultery, Diana Castro who he is currently with, was in his Sunday school class at like 23 years old as he was 36 years old and married to Martha Hagee with children.

He had an affair with Diana, divorced his wife Martha that is living, confessed to his church, left and moved a couple miles down the road and started a new one where he currently is at cornerstone.
 
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John Hagee is not only a Zionist heretic denying that Jesus came to save the Jews?

He's actively in Adultery, Dianna Castro who he is currently with, was in his Sunday school class at like 23 years old as he was married with children.
He had an affair, divorced his wife that is living, confessed to his church, left the and moved a couple miles down the road and started a new one where he currently is.
So what? You believe in a fully futurized Matthew 24 and Daniel 9. So does John Hagee. Clement didn't.

Clement loses out to you and John Hagee.
 
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Pretty bold calling Truth7t7 a Heretic and pure souce of this in post #10 above, a false claim, accusation, and personal attack.

I'm glad to see the truth of your sources in Clement, Origen, Pamphilus, Eusebius, has hit home.

As Justin Martyr, Iranaeus, And Hippolytus, taught of a future abomination of desolation, Antichrist, and great tribulation, from their 2nd and 3rd century lives, "That You Deny To Acknowledge"

John Hagee is not only a Zionist heretic denying that Jesus came to save the Jews?

He's actively in Adultery, Diana Castro who he is currently with, was in his Sunday school class at like 23 years old as he was 36 years old and married to Martha Hagee with children.

He had an affair with Diana, divorced his wife Martha that is living, confessed to his church, left and moved a couple miles down the road and started a new one where he currently is at cornerstone.
So what? You believe in a fully futurized Matthew 24 and Daniel 9. So does John Hagee. Clement didn't.

Clement loses out to you and John Hagee.
 
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Pretty bold calling Truth7t7 a Heretic and pure souce of this in post #10 above, a false claim, accusation, and personal attack.

You have a serious comprehension problem if you believe that those were directed at yourself. They were an extrapolation of your characterization of Clement. Please read a little more carefully.
 
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You have a serious comprehension problem if you believe that those were directed at yourself. They were an extrapolation of your characterization of Clement. Please read a little more carefully.
You quote Clement Of Alexandria, who you agree was a vile person coconcerning orthodoxy?

You disregard Justin Martyr 100-165, Iranaeus 130-202AD, and Hippolytus 170-235AD, who taught of a future Daniels abomination, great tribulation, and second advent, from their 2nd and 3rd century lives?

They didn't see or teach your 66-70AD fulfillment, three early witnesses to this truth.

Why do you disregard these ECF'S, and their teachings as non-existant?

As you alude to Hagee trying to give a false support to your defense.
 
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You quote Clement Of Alexandria, who you agree was a vile person coconcerning orthodoxy?

I don't agree that he was. But you consider him a heretic. Doesn't that then make him a vile person concerning orthodoxy in your estimation?
 
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Yes indeed. An heretic through and through. An undisputed enemy of the Kingdom of God. An impostor of the vilest kind. An implacable foe of truth in every age. The epitome of deception and apostasy. The quintessential instrument of Satan on this earth. The ultimate incarnation of evil.

Turn on your TV and flip the channels until you hit John Hagee, then fall to your knees in worship. You're seeing and hearing truth incarnate. The only purer source of it is yourself.
You state in your previous post below that Clement wasn't the heretic.

Then we move to Haggee, the terms enemy, impostor, vile, are used?

Then you refer myself to turn Hager on TV and fall to my knees, then you imply sarcastic truth isn't found in Hagee and state I'm a purer source than the afore mentioned

As you call me enemy, impostor, vile?

Please explains your post, so I And the readers can better understand?
 
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Really...

You continue to ignore the differences between partial-preterism and full-preterism, in an attempt to make your viewpoint work.
It will not work.

You also continue to ignore John 10:22, in an attempt to make you viewpoint work.
Therefore, you continue to fail to "readeth and understand".



Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.


Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luk 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luk 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luk 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luk 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
(This is the same time of the Gentiles referred to by Paul in Romans 11:25.)

These next four verses contain the future Second Coming of Christ.


Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,

Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

Go to the modern city of Jerusalem and you will find that the only thing the Romans left during 70 AD was the fort they had built near the Jewish temple.
Today it is mistakenly called "the Temple Mount".


See the link below.
The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia
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Good post.

It escapes me why they prefer Matthew over Luke?
 
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