LDS Salvation as used in the scriptures does not mean physical resurrection alone

withwonderingawe said:

I suppose we could say there are three elements or parts to salvations.

1, salvation from physical death. Without Christ resurrection we could not be resurrected. Once we died we would have to remain in spirit form. The resurrection is a free gift given to all.

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Per Mormonism the resurrection is considered a blessing; and ALL blessings have to be earned. No one is here without having earned the right to be here.

withwonderingawe said:

2, Salvation from sin and having to pay for those sin; faith, forgiveness, mercy and grace come into play.

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"Come into play" is ambiguous. EVERY blessing has to be earned in Mormonism.

Doctrine and Covenants 82
9 Or, in other words, I give unto you directions how you may act before me, that it may turn to you for your salvation.
10 I, the Lord, am bound when ye do what I say; but when ye do not what I say, ye have no promise.

withwonderingawe said:

3, Salvation from separation from God the Father. It doesn't matter how many good works we do we are always unprofitable servants. But if we keep our eye single to his glory he will fill us with his light. And we will become one with him.

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"But if we keep our eye single to his glory" is ambigous. Mormonism requires that each and every commandment and ordinance of your church must be obeyed or the Lord will not bless you with eternal life.


MARRIAGE: THE COVENANT OF EXALTATION.
Marriage, as understood by Latter-day Saints, is a covenant ordained to be everlasting. It is the foundation for eternal exaltation, for without it there could be no eternal progress in the kingdom of God.

The Lord taught Joseph Smith the doctrine of the eternity of the marriage covenant and the perpetuity of the family after death. This revelation has proved a wonderful, if not terrible shock to the believers in the doctrine that at death a man and his wife are forever separated and the family relationship comes to an eternal end. Yet there are very few, if they have natural feelings, who do not hope that the eternity of the family may prove to be a fact.

"There is no ordinance connected with the gospel of Jesus Christ of greater importance, of more solemn and sacred nature, and more necessary to the eternal joy of man, than marriage. Yet there is no principle which has been made the butt of coarser jokes, a greater jest by the vulgar and the unclean, and even by many who think themselves refined, than that of marriage."
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, p. 56

CELESTIAL MARRIAGE MAKES GODS IN ETERNITY.
"But if we are married for time and for all eternity and it is sealed upon our heads by those who have the authority so to seal, and if we then keep our covenants and are faithful to the end, we shall come forth in the resurrection from the dead and receive the following promised blessings:

" 'Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them.'

"Who are the angels? Those who would not abide the law."
Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, p. 62-63

Peter1000 said:

Salvation is not as simple as believing in Jesus and he will give you a free gift of salvation/eternal life.

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The devils believe. The Christian has been given the new birth.

Peter1000 said:

Salvation is a process, more like withwonderingawe speaks of.
The scriptures tell us that salvation is a process. One gift of salvation is voluntarily given to all men, and that is the salvation from physical death. No amount of works will give you the ability to raise yourself from the grave. Only the gift of immortality can be given by Jesus Chist.

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Resurrection is not salvation.

Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Without the new birth, we won't follow Christ.

John 5
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Peter1000 said:

Immortality though is not eternal life. The gift of eternal life is given voluntarily to only those that believe in Christ. It is easy to know who really believe in Christ and those who just say they believe in Christ.

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Eternal life has to be earned by obedience per Mormonism. You know that and I know that. A gift doesn't have to be earned --- the giver paid for it.

Peter1000 said:

It is this part of salvation that requires that you demonstrate your love of Jesus Christ by keeping his commandments. As James says, 'faith without works is dead'.

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God doesn't give dead faith. He quickens the one who was dead in trespasses and sins. Every good and every perfect gift is from above.

1 Peter 1
18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Peter1000 said:

This is the part of salvation that determines if you will be in the highest or the lowest KOH. By your works will you be judged as the book of Revelations says. Those who believe in Christ and are steeped in good works will find themselves in the highest KOH. Those who say they love Jesus but do not demonstrate that love will find themselves in a lower KOH.

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Heaven is the presence of God.

Matthew 25
41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Peter1000 said:

It is your choice. But again, do not rely on just a few scriptures from the bible, you must rely on the whole bible for your salvation.

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Ye must be born again. Without the new birth, the individual won't follow the Shepherd and won't understand spiritual things.


John 5
24Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Those who actually follow the Shepherd are being sanctified.

So, a needle pulling thread.

Peter1000 said:

A new birth is worthless unless you live according to your new birth. The process of salvation only starts with your new birth. If you reject Jesus after your new birth do you think Jesus will save you? No.

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If you understood the new birth that happens to each sheep, You wouldn't suggest that the new birth left that person under the control of Satan.

John 10
1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one.

Peter1000 said:

Resurrection is not salvation. Not the whole salvation process. But the free gift of the resurrection does save you from physical death. Salvation is being saved from physical and spiritual death.

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No, salvation saves us from the second death. Damnation is never salvation. Damnation means that you suffer the second death.

John 3
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Acts 24
15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

Peter1000 said:

So resurrection saves you from physical death. You are saved from spiritual death as you live the commandments of Jesus Christ and he finally gives you his grace and allows you to enter into the KOG.

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That is FALSE doctrine.

Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; 4And patience, experience; and experience, hope: 5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Peter1000 said:

But the new birth does not guarentee that you will always follow Jesus.
If you choose to reject him for some reason, your new birth will not help you, unless you repent and come back to Jesus.

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The new birth is the guarantee of eternal life. Those who have received it don't reject Jesus.

Peter1000 said:

As Paul says, there are 3 heavens, and he was caught up into the 3rd, and heard unspeakable things. God the Father will only be in the highest of the 3 heavens.

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Read your Bible:
First heaven is our atmosphere.
Second heaven is outer space.
The third heaven is the Kingdom of Heaven.
"Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven."

Mormon teaching is that "Heavenly Father" is in the third level of the CK. Only exalted humans will enjoy his presence.

I'm sorry ... some of the above post was lost in cyberspace. When I have time, I'll address the rest.

Peter1000 said:

You earned the right to resurrection by keeping your first estate and being given the right to come to earth and gain a body of flesh and bone and spirit. It is because you were valient and fought on the side of God and Jesus, against lucifer/satan in the war in heaven.

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That's fiction.

Peter1000 said:

If you believe in Jesus and then go on to murder and rape, you will not be given eternal life, even though you believed.

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If you don't love others, you don't have faith in Christ. You haven't been born again.

1 John 4
20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a LIAR: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? 21And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

Someone who has been born again doesn't murder and rape people.

YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

Peter1000 said:

Those who do not follow the Shepherd are not being sancrified, regardless of whether you have been born again or not.

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The sheep are given the new birth. They ARE being sanctified. Non-sheep don't follow Him because He isn't their shepherd.
John 10
22And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. 23And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. 24Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. 26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30I and my Father are one.

This is not about Calvinism. It's about the Mormon meaning of salvation as used in Mormon scriptures and I sometimes compare those teachings to what I read in the Bible.