LDS Are the Two Natures of Jesus Denied by Mormons?

Rescued One · Jan 12, 2018

Peter1000 said:
How would you know if it is false doctrine or not, you have not been given the 'meat'?

How would you know that another person doesn't have meat?

Peter1000 · Jan 15, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
How would you know that another person doesn't have meat?

If Paul says he could not give the 'meat' of the gospel, then where in the bible is it. 2/3 of the NT is Paul, and if he did not give it, ir must not be in the bible, and if not in the bible then I know you do not have the 'meat'.

I do know that there are certain scriptures that relate to the 'meat', but they are woefully misunderstood and not even taught in any of your meetings because they are controversial. Let me give you an example:
2 Peter 1:4King James Version (KJV)
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

This is a 'meat' concept. The idea that we can be partakers of the divine nature is foreign to mainstream Christianity, because that would mean that our nature can be the same as God's divine nature.

And this is the very reason that Paul could not give the 'meat' of the gospel, or could Peter give more of this 'meat' doctrine, but only a little and not too precise, because if they had been any more explicit, the people would have not accepted it, or as Paul put it, they would not be able to bear it.

They could not bear it because it was controversial to them and they had not heard such things before. So not being able to live the 'milk' gospel, they certainly according to the bible and Paul, would not be able to bear the 'meat' gospel.

Peter1000 · Jan 15, 2018

DominicBaptiste said:
I kind of like Mormons because they're music is pretty good. There is a violin solo on youtube of Joseph Smith's favorite song, "A Wayfaring Man of Grief." I also posted on one of my social media sites a video of "The 12 Days of Christmas" with the Mormon Tablernacle Choir. I have one frienemy who was Mormon in his youth, and I have another friend who converted to Mormonism. When I see Mormons in my neighborhood or out in public, I usually ask if they have any free religious cards, and my favorite one so far is "Jesus Appears to the Americas." That story doesn't happen in regular Christianity, but I thought it was kind of cool. Mormonism is very institutional, kind of like Roman Catholicism. I think the Sealing Rooms are very pretty, but I personally think that if you believe in Jesus, you would go to heaven anyway, so the Sealing ceremony is kind of extra. If I were Mormon and lived in Utah and more or less liked it, I would probably stay Mormon. But, I could see how it would make sense to integrate into a traditional Christian community (protestant/Catholic) if you didn't live there because you wouldn't want to be the odd man out and end up on drugs or an alcoholic, and I think I've seen that happen before. Good luck on your faith journey! :^)

Thank you for the kind words, and may you have a succesful faith journey.

BigDaddy4 · Jan 16, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Believing in him was just the beginning of the 'milk' of the gospel, it was certainly not the whole plan of salvation.

It actually is the whole plan... see John 3:16. This isn't difficult to understand.

Peter1000 said:
That is your error. You have wrapped yourself around the idea that if I just believe in Jesus, I am automatically saved and I have to do no other thing.

Peter1000 said:
Do you think that is ironic? It is. You believe in Jesus and then do nothing, it will stealthily lead you away from Jesus.

Again, you mischaracterize what it means to be a Christian. A Christian does not "do nothing" once they confess belief in Jesus. The parable of the seeds demonstrates that. By loving God, we listen to him and he directs our ways. He does not direct us to "do nothing".

Rescued One · Jan 16, 2018

We are saved for works, not by works!

1 John 5
19And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

RevelationTestament · Jan 26, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
John 5
16And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. 17But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

18Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

19Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. 20For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. 21For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

If Jesus was fully divine, how could He die on the cross? If He was fully human, why did He allow people to worship Him (thus condoning sin), and how could He raise Himself from the dead?

Matthew 14
33Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 28
8And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. 9And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

John 20
28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Christ was fully human and fully God. As a human, He did not possess a fallen human nature. A fallen human nature has a propensity to sin.

The two natures of Christ are an errant doctrine. As an LDS Christian I personally deny them. Yeshua has one spiritual nature. LDS do not teach Christ had a "fallen human nature," which is probably why you didn't quote any such thing. As the only Begotten Son He was the only human born on this planet with eternal life - no fallen human nature here.

Rescued One · Jan 29, 2018

Peter1000 said:
If Paul says he could not give the 'meat' of the gospel, then where in the bible is it. 2/3 of the NT is Paul, and if he did not give it, ir must not be in the bible, and if not in the bible then I know you do not have the 'meat'.

I do know that there are certain scriptures that relate to the 'meat', but they are woefully misunderstood and not even taught in any of your meetings because they are controversial. Let me give you an example:
2 Peter 1:4King James Version (KJV)
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

That was never mentioned in any sacrament meeting nor general conference talks.

Peter1000 said:
This is a 'meat' concept. The idea that we can be partakers of the divine nature is foreign to mainstream Christianity, because that would mean that our nature can be the same as God's divine nature.

That truth isn't foreign to mainstream Christianity.

1 John 3
1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

We will be like Him, but we won't become Gods because He is the Creator and we are His creation.

Rescued One · Jan 29, 2018

RevelationTestament said:
The two natures of Christ are an errant doctrine. As an LDS Christian I personally deny them. Yeshua has one spiritual nature. LDS do not teach Christ had a "fallen human nature," which is probably why you didn't quote any such thing. As the only Begotten Son He was the only human born on this planet with eternal life - no fallen human nature here.

Christians don't teach that Jesus ever had a fallen nature.

Rescued One · Jun 8, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Jesus was fully human.

Until he was crucified and was resurrected, he was not fully God. There are many scriptures that testify of that. Scriptures from the bible that testify of this very doctrine.
Here is just one:
Luke 13:32King James Version (KJV)
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

You cannot say that Jesus was fully God before he was fully perfected. Right?

This post appears as a disagreement among Mormons.

gadar perets · Jun 8, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
This post appears as a disagreement among Mormons.

I don't know about Mormons disagreeing, but Yeshua was never fully God while he was a man. Neither is he fully God now. There is only one true God, Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH (John 17:3).

dzheremi · Jun 8, 2018

gadar perets said:
I don't know about Mormons disagreeing, but Yeshua was never fully God while he was a man. Neither is he fully God now. There is only one true God, Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH (John 17:3).

Did you mean to post this somewhere in the Controversial Theology section of this website? Because it certainly doesn't belong here. Posts which deny the full and eternal divinty of Jesus Christ are subject to moderation, and any further posts like this will be reported.

drstevej · Jun 9, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Jesus was fully human.

Until he was crucified and was resurrected, he was not fully God. There are many scriptures that testify of that. Scriptures from the bible that testify of this very doctrine.
Here is just one:
Luke 13:32King James Version (KJV)
32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

You cannot say that Jesus was fully God before he was fully perfected. Right?

The word translated perfected is τελειόω.

τελειόω teleióō, tel-i-o'-o; from G5046; to complete, i.e. (literally) accomplish, or (figuratively) consummate (in character):—consecrate, finish, fulfill, make) perfect.

The reference is to the consummation of His work not graduation to godhood.

gadar perets · Jun 9, 2018

dzheremi said:
Did you mean to post this somewhere in the Controversial Theology section of this website? Because it certainly doesn't belong here. Posts which deny the full and eternal divinty of Jesus Christ are subject to moderation, and any further posts like this will be reported.

Sorry. The heading did not say "Christians Only" as other forums do, so I erroneously posted thinking it was permissible.

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