LDS Did the Mormon Jesus (aka Jehovah) lie?

Rescued One · Sep 12, 2017

And God saves those who are His sheep! Mormons ignore the Bible. All the sheep have EVERY blessing in heaven. I've shared this over and over again.

“It is a part of sinful human nature to build barriers that shut out other people. In New Testament times one of the greatest barriers was between slaves and freemen, especially between slaves and their owners. Those who were free looked down on slaves as being inferior, slightly above animals. Many slaves looked on their masters with contempt and resentment. Consequently, one of the greatest problems of the early church was in getting Christian slave owners and Christian slaves to treat each other as spiritual equals."
Ephesians 2:11-12 - Remember When ... | Redeeming God

Ephesians 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

God doesn't separate sheep from sheep!

Jane_Doe · Sep 12, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
Mormons ignore the Bible.

A completely false statement.

Phoebe Ann said:
“It is a part of sinful human nature to build barriers that shut out other people. In New Testament times one of the greatest barriers was between slaves and freemen, especially between slaves and their owners. Those who were free looked down on slaves as being inferior, slightly above animals. Many slaves looked on their masters with contempt and resentment. Consequently, one of the greatest problems of the early church was in getting Christian slave owners and Christian slaves to treat each other as spiritual equals."
Ephesians 2:11-12 - Remember When ... | Redeeming God

That's not the Bible. It's written by a man named Jeremy Myers and a website that is literally selling his teachings.

Phoebe Ann said:
Ephesians 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ

Now that's the Bible and Mormons believe that.

Rescued One · Sep 13, 2017

Mormons ignore the truth that all Christians receive every single spiritual blessing in heaven because they all have the righteousness of Christ. They earned nothing ---absolutely nothing!

1 Corinthians 15
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

1 Corinthians 4
7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Philippians 2
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Jane_Doe · Sep 13, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
1 Corinthians 15
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Romans 12
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

1 Corinthians 4
7 For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

Philippians 2
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Thank you for posting these wonderful verses Pheobe! Myself and other LDS do very much cherish and believe them!

Rescued One · Sep 13, 2017

Jane_Doe said:
Thank you for posting these wonderful verses Pheobe! Myself and other LDS do very much cherish and believe them!

It's a shame that Mormons teach that people will not all have equal blessings in your three kingdoms of glory when the Bible says they will, and that there is only the ONE kingdom of Heaven.

Rescued One · Sep 13, 2017

I repeat:

Mormons ignore the truth that all Christians receive every single spiritual blessing in heaven because they all have the righteousness of Christ. They earned nothing ---absolutely nothing!

"It is in the attainment of eternal life, which man must earn in mortality, that he reaches his full potentiality. Man, being a child of God—who himself is a glorified, resurrected, immortal soul, enjoying eternal life—has, in harmony with the universal law of nature, the potentiality to reach, in full maturity, the high status of his Heavenly Father."
The Worth of Souls - Marion G. Romney

Rescued One · Sep 13, 2017

See diagram:
Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Enrichment G The Nature and Purpose of Law

Peter1000 · Sep 14, 2017

mmksparbud said:
Only man could come up with this doctrine!!
Terrestrial---earthly, celestial---heavenly---stars are celestial! There are no 3 divisions--only 2 and they are named for what they are and you did not even mention why all this came about ---because it was by explanation of
1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
What body do they come???
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
That's it! No deep secret, Flat out plain and you repeating the same JS lie over and over, will not change this fact. Our bodies are terrestrial while on earth---natural body---after resurrection---celestial---spiritual. It's more and more obvious, the more you guys say about Mormonism, that there is nothing Godly, spiritual, Holy Spirit led, there is nothing celestial about him---he was totally and completely terrestrial.

It says in the resurrection there will be celestial and terrestrial bodies. How can a spritual body be terrestrial?

Peter1000 · Sep 14, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
See diagram:
Doctrine and Covenants Student Manual Enrichment G The Nature and Purpose of Law

Start a new thread.

Peter1000 · Sep 14, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
I repeat:

Mormons ignore the truth that all Christians receive every single spiritual blessing in heaven because they all have the righteousness of Christ. They earned nothing ---absolutely nothing!

"It is in the attainment of eternal life, which man must earn in mortality, that he reaches his full potentiality. Man, being a child of God—who himself is a glorified, resurrected, immortal soul, enjoying eternal life—has, in harmony with the universal law of nature, the potentiality to reach, in full maturity, the high status of his Heavenly Father."
The Worth of Souls - Marion G. Romney

If you sow not you will reap not. I think that is in the bible somewhere.

mmksparbud · Sep 14, 2017

Peter1000 said:
It says in the resurrection there will be celestial and terrestrial bodies. How can a spritual body be terrestrial?

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that is why there are celestial bodies and that is why he said there are natural bodies and spiritual bodies---just 2. The natural = terrestrial, the spiritual = celestial.

Rescued One · Sep 14, 2017

Peter1000 said:
If you sew not you will reap not. I think that is in the bible somewhere.

If you sew not you won't have to rip, or sew it seams.

If you are one of His sheep, you will follow Him, and the Holy Spirit will direct your actions. The Holy Spirit isn't dead!

Peter1000 · Sep 15, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
If you sew not you won't have to rip, or sew it seams.

If you are one of His sheep, you will follow Him, and the Holy Spirit will direct your actions. The Holy Spirit isn't dead!

When a person acknowledges that Jesus is the son of God and the Savior of the world, they did not acknowledge from ignorance. They heard about Jesus, and so they started to read about him, study him, pray about him, and during that prayer or that moment of thought, the HS came to you and whispered that Jesus is the son of God and the Savior of the world. The act of hearing, learning, and praying is what I call sowing. The reaping is when the HS came to you and told you the good news that you are right, Jesus is the son of God and the Savior of the world.

When you received this good news, did you tuck it away, never to be talked about again? No, you continue to sow because it is by our good works that we are judged. If we sow with great zeal, we will reap much and bring lots of fruit into the KOG. We will reap a good reward and the highest heaven will be ours.

The sheep are continually sowing.

What we sow, we reap. Simple biblical concept.

Peter1000 · Sep 15, 2017

mmksparbud said:
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that is why there are celestial bodies and that is why he said there are natural bodies and spiritual bodies---just 2. The natural = terrestrial, the spiritual = celestial.

It says in the resurrection there are celestail bodies and terrestrial bodies. Can a spiritual resurrected body be terrestrial?

mmksparbud · Sep 15, 2017

Peter1000 said:
It says in the resurrection there are celestail bodies and terrestrial bodies. Can a spiritual resurrected body be terrestrial?

It does not say that!!! It says there are terrestrial and there are celestial bodies---does not say that in the resurrection there are both! That's the trouble with you guys, you read into verses what you want it to say.

This is what happens to the saved:

Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co_15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co_15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Rescued One · Sep 15, 2017

Peter1000 said:
When a person acknowledges that Jesus is the son of God and the Savior of the world, they did not acknowledge from ignorance. They heard about Jesus, and so they started to read about him, study him, pray about him, and during that prayer or that moment of thought, the HS came to you and whispered that Jesus is the son of God and the Savior of the world. The act of hearing, learning, and praying is what I call sowing. The reaping is when the HS came to you and told you the good news that you are right, Jesus is the son of God and the Savior of the world.

When you received this good news, did you tuck it away, never to be talked about again? No, you continue to sow because it is by our good works that we are judged. If we sow with great zeal, we will reap much and bring lots of fruit into the KOG. We will reap a good reward and the highest heaven will be ours.

The sheep are continually sowing.

What we sow, we reap. Simple biblical concept.

We aren't judged by good works! Good works are not our own.

Ephesians 2
1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: 7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast...

The wages of sin is death; we were dead in sins. We have been quickened.

John 5
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Philippians 2
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

1 Corinthians 15
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

2 Corinthians 3
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

Romans 15
18 I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in leading the Gentiles to obey God by what I have said and done--

Yekcidmij · Jan 23, 2018

Peter1000 said:
What is Elohim's relationship to Yahweh?

It seems Yahweh is Elohim. Do you agree?

Rescued One · Jan 23, 2018

Peter1000 said:
If you sow not you will reap not. I think that is in the bible somewhere.

If you reap, you are benefiting from what God has done for you.

1 Corinthians 15
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

RevelationTestament · Jan 26, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
From lds.org:
Jehovah
The covenant or proper name of the God of Israel. It denotes the “Unchangeable One,” “the eternal I AM” (Ex. 6:3; Ps. 83:18; Isa. 12:2; 26:4). The original pronunciation of this name has possibly been lost, as the Jews, in reading, never mentioned it but substituted one of the other names of God, usually Adonai. Probably it was pronounced Jahveh, or Yahveh. In the KJV, the Jewish custom has been followed, and the name is generally denoted by Lord or God, printed in small capitals.

Jehovah is the premortal Jesus Christ and came to earth being born of Mary (see Mosiah 3:8; 15:1; 3 Ne. 15:1–5; D&C 110:1–10). Although Ex. 6:3 states that the God of Israel was not known by the name Jehovah before Moses’ time, latter-day revelation tells us otherwise; see JST Ex. 6:3 (Ex. 6:3 note c); Abr. 1:16; 2:8; see also Gen. 22:14.
Jehovah

Did Israel worship the Son?

First of all you are wrong about His name. Yahweh is the result of combining the consonants of YHWH with the vowels of adonai.
Yehovah or Yahowah are probably the closest transliterations of how it should be pronounced.
And yes, Israel did worship the Son since the Father and Son share the same title of YHWH Elohim. There is one/echad YHWH/LORD much like man and wife are echad.
They were YHWH Elohim together from the beginning. See Gen 3:22

If Jehovah is Jesus as Mormons claim, did he lie wheh he said there is no other God?

Exodus 20
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Isaiah 44
8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Being one YHWH Elohim with the Father means Yeshua can rightfully say there is no other Power beside Him. Your statement "God is the Supreme Being in the universe." could be worded better. The Father and Son are two separate spirits or beings with separate wills, who have merged their wills together by covenant.

1.
God the Father is greater than all (see Ephesians 4:6; John 10:29).

2.
As the Supreme Being, God the Father should be the object of our love and worship (see D&C 18:40; 20:29; Joshua 22:5; Mark 12:30; D&C 4:2;Luke 4:8).

Doctrines of the Gospel Student Manual Chapter 3: God the Eternal Father

God is the Supreme Being in whom we believe and whom we worship. He is all-powerful and all-knowing, and He is full of love, mercy, charity, and compassion. He is the Author of the plan for our happiness.
God Is Our Father

God the Father is the Supreme Being in whom we believe and whom we worship. He is the ultimate Creator, Ruler, and Preserver of all things. He is perfect, has all power, and knows all things. He “has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s” (D&C 130:22).
True to the Faith God the Father

The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23).
When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are His children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament as Lord (in small capitals), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with Him. All mankind are His brethren and sisters, He being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by the Lord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc.
God

The Savior taught: “But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted” (Matt. 23:11–12). The Savior lived His teachings. He showed us the way. The God of this earth, the Redeemer of the world, condescended to minister to the humble, despised, despairing, hopeless, and helpless.
“The Condescension of God” - Ensign Dec. 2001 - ensign

Did the Mormon Jesus lie?

How so? Your "Mormon Jesus" is the same who spoke in the NT and said "the Father is greater than I." Because the Father alone is El Elyon, the Most High Power, and Yeshua is His Son or the Son of the Most High per Luke.

Rescued One · Jan 28, 2018

Peter1000 said:
It says in the resurrection there are celestail bodies and terrestrial bodies. Can a spiritual resurrected body be terrestrial?

No.

Corruption is raised to incorruption.
Natural becomes spiritual.
All believers have been like Adam; we will become like Christ.

1 Corinthians 15
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

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