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Because Israel REPENTS before the Anti-Christ comes forth and thus he defiles a Temple in which they are Worshiping God via the Blood of Christ. (Malachi 4:5-6)
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Daniel 9:27 The Abomination Of Desolation, When Did Or Will This Take Place?
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Jesus was speaking about Herod's temple that had been years in the making in Matthew 24:2, "But he answered them, "You see all of these things, don't you? Most certainly I tell you, there will not be left here one stone on another, that will not be thrown down."
The Jews rebelled against the Romans in 66 AD. The rebellion was crushed first in Galilee, the Roman legions moved to encircle Jerusalem. The Jewish general Falvius Josephus recorded these things in his book that remains extant to this day.
People listening to Jesus might have lived long enough to witness the Roman soldiers making camp in the suburbs of Jerusalem and had but a brief moment of time. According to the historian Eusebius, some of the Christians of Jerusalem fled across the Jordan to Pella as the Roman army prepared its siege against Jerusalem.
According to Josephus, the Romans burned Jerusalem after months of fighting. The temple was demolished. Josephus was a Jewish general captured by the Romans who befriended them and was allowed to live. He wrote a history of the war.
As for the days of suffering that followed the war, it is my opinion they continue to this day. Jesus taught there would be wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes, pestilences etc, but these are not the sign of the end.
Obviously the second coming has not taken place. Suffering continues. We are not living in a post planet earth heaven. There is not a temple or sacrifice anymore for the abomination that destroyed Jerusalem, most of the people living there and the temple happened during the 66-70 AD war.
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Is the opposite teaching to THIS:
When faced with which of these two polar opposite teachings to accept as true, The Holy Inspired, Infallible writer of Hebrews, or Random fallible 21st century Internet guy Truth7t7, My money is on the Writer of Hebrews, Every time.
Is the opposite teaching to THIS:
When faced with which of these two polar opposite teachings to accept as true, The Holy Inspired, Infallible writer of Hebrews, or Random fallible 21st century Internet guy Truth7t7, My money is on the Writer of Hebrews, Every time.
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You quote Malachi 4:5-6 that speaks of Elijah preparing the way?
You reference these verses to a future event, that will see Ethnic Israel repent?
The verses you quote were "fulfilled" in John the Baptist, at the very words of Jesus Christ in Matthew 11:10-15
Have you missed the obvious?
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Do you believe the "Great Tribulation" in Matthew 24:21 has been fulfilled?
Is yes, when and how?
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Matthew 27:51 The veil was rent to the Holy
place, the temple was removed, destroyed.
You believe a literal temple and stones, the bible teaches a symbolic temple destroyed.
Was the veil in the temple "literally" torn from the top to bottom, I don't believe so.
This is symbolic, showing the temple and it's priestly service is "Replaced/Destroyed"!
Hebrews 9:1-11
Verse (2) A sanctuary/temple made with hands.
Verse (11) A sanctuary/temple made without hands.
The sanctuary/temple made without hands, has replaced/demolished the temple in Jerusalem made with hands, not one stone upon another was left, at the death, burial, resurrection, of Jesus Christ.
I have clearly explained my belief and observation of scripture, and you have presented yours.
We will disagree.
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No, the scripture I cited is very clear, Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the Great and Dreadful day of the Lord. Elijah was not born again via the womb of a woman, that's just men not understanding what Jesus stated. Elijah was TAKEN, and he was with Jesus & Moses at the Transfiguration. He will be SENT, and he will die and be raised to heaven as one of the Two-Witnesses.
When the Disciples asked Jesus about the fact that Elijah was to come again before the end, Jesus told them, he has basically come via John the Baptist. But Jesus was saying, John called your generation in the same manner that Elijah will !!
Luke 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. 16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
No man is ever going to be born of two mothers in this world.
Elijah is one of the Two-Witnesses. He will be sent before the day of the Lord, to turn Israel back unto God. Israel REPENTS before the Beast comes to power.
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Well I'm 100% wrong and your 100% correct, I overlooked the obvious, I apologize.
Yes Elijah will return as one of the "Two Witnesses", I believe the other will be Enoch, the two who never experienced a physical death.
It appointed unto man once to die, Hebrews 9:27
As in Revelation 11 they will die a physical death, lay in the street dead.
Once again I apologize for my oversight to the obvious.
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Commendation to you for doing something most of either are unable to do ... or do only grudgingly. Something seldom seen done. That is, graciously accepting correction.
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Revealing Times
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Nothing to apologize about, we are judged on how yielding we are to the Holy Spirits voice, sometimes as men we are not Clear enough, the Holy Spirit is very clear. In Daniel he says the Daily is taken away, not daily sacrifice, the translators added that, I think it the daily oblation like unto what Daniel was doing in Daniel 9:21 when Gabriel came unto him. It means to honor God or a tribute to god via prayer, so I think they will be worshiping God in the Temple thus the Beast/Anti-Christ will defile the Temple. Israel flees only because they have heard Jesus' words FLEE JUDEA when you see this.....why would Jews be reading Matthew 24? And why would God protect unrepentant Jews? It all fits together.
The Holy Spirit gave me Dan. ch. 12 the other night, its based on knowing what happens in the Middle of the Week. Israel Flees for 1260 Days or a time, times and half time. (Rev. ch. 12)
We are told by an Angel or Jesus in Dan. 12 that after the holy people are scattered and power is taken away from them that there will be 1260 Days left of all these Wonders, then the end.
Then we are told the Daily is taken away AND the Abomination of Desolation will be set up at the 1290 Day..........then we are told Blessed is he that comes unto the 1335 days.
The CLUE/KEY here is logical thinking or deductive reasoning. IF the holy people flee at the 1260 event then the 1290 event can't come after the 1260 event.......CAN IT? That would place the Abomination being set up 30 days after after Israel is scatter or flees, that does not work out via SIMPLE MATH !! So what's the deal? The 1290 has to be before the 1260, thus the 1335 is before the 1290 and the 1260. But how does this make sense? Well we have to go back and look at the first thing the Angel/Jesus says in verse 6:
Dan. 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
He asks simply how long until the end of these wonders, then in verse 7 he states When he scatters the Holy peoples it will be a time, times and half (1260 days) then all of these things will be finished.
So the answer to the question is when Israel flees it will be 1260 days until the Second Coming !! That matches everything we know, Israel (Women) flees for 1260 days, the Beast reigns for 42 months etc. etc. So now we understand the EVENT was mentioned, then the number of days until all things ended (wonders of Revelation ended) was given as 1260 Days. AGAIN, everything is built around he Middle of the week, then other clues are given, we are to reference the 1260 for clarification. Its like a guidepost so to speak.
Now we understand the 1290 EVENT happens 1290 days before Jesus Returns also, thus 30 days before the Beast Conquers Jerusalem and makes the holy people(s) Flee Judea. So the Image is set up by the False Prophet while the Beast is still the Anti-Christ or before he Conquers Jerusalem to become the Beast for 1260 Days (42 Months) thus this False Prophet seems to hate that Israel is serving Jesus in the Temple like most Rabbis hate Jesus today. When Israel repent, he doesn't.
The 1335 EVENT then, IMHO, is the Two Witnesses, it fits also since they die at the 2nd Woe, BEFORE the Beast dies this means they have to show up before the Beast Conquers Israel.
Thus the 1335 fits perfectly, the two-witnesses show up 75 days before the Beast Conquers Jerusalem to turn Israel back unto God/Jesus. Thus the 2nd Woe must happen 75 days before the Seventh Vial.
Its tricky....
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Times I believe the two witnesses are standing before the seated beast day for day. I believe the 1260 days "two witnesses" in Revelation 11:3 & the beast's 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same time frame.
I don't see in scripture a 7 year tribulation as "dispensationalism" teaches, I see a 42 month tribulation that starts at the revealing of the beast and two witnesses.
In Revelation 11:1-18 we see the witnesses present on earth to the final hours, as the 7th and last trumph is blown in verse 15 as the final judgment takes place in verse 18.
The book of Revelation is not written in chronological order as "dispensationalism" teaches, it's written in parallel teachings of same events.
The final judgment is seen in Revelation 11:18, same judgment seen in Revelation 20:11-15
Time I believe the 7th vial in Revelation 16:17 "it is done" & The 7th trump in Revelation 11:15 "for ever and ever" are the same event.
I believe as the two witnesses are raised, "the same hour" the great earthquake "the second woe is past", third comes quickly in the 7th trump, I don't see your 75 day separation between the second and third woe.
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Can you identify what are the TWO WOES ?
What will be the duration of the FIRST WOE ?
What will be the major event of the SECOND WOE?
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That is why God gave us these clues brother and the 1260 Middle of the week event to be our guide post, so we couldn't get it wrong because of Math.
Beast = 1260
Two-Witnesses = 1260
Two-Witnesses die at the 2nd Woe. The Beast dies at the Seventh Vial. Time doesn't stop brother. We have to say via simple math, that the 2nd Woe happens before the 7th Vial thus their 1260 days as the Beast and 1260 days as the Two-witnesses do not parallel day for day. Besides, Malachi 4:5-6 tells us that Elijah is sent BEFORE the Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord.
We can believe it because of old assumptions or we can look at the math. they do not die at the same time brother. Why would God wait until the Beast Conquered Israel to send Elijah to turn them back unto Himself, when they need to be ready to Flee when thy see the Abomination of Desolation. They can only do that by understanding Jesus' words/prophecy.
There is a 70th week which is designed to get Israel to repent. Daniel 9:27 says that the prince to come reneges on all of his Peace/Security deals in the Middle of the Week. Daniel 8:25 says he will DESTROY MANY by Peace. There has to be a 3.5 years of peace first. Its just a fact via the scriptures brother.
The 7th Trump is not the final hours.
I don't worry about dispensationalism, I just listen to the Holy Spirit, and Revelation is NOT IN CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER, I agree and have written blogs on that, bur the 21 Judgments are in Chronological Order.
1.) Rev. 1-3 Asia Minor Churches.
2.) Rev. 4, 5, 7 and 19 is the Church in Heaven after the Rapture.
3.) Rev. 6, 8, 9, 11, 15 and 16 is the 21 Judgments in PERFECT CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER !!
4.) Rev. 10, 12, 13, 14 17 and 18 is VISIONS that fill in the gaps on the rest of Revelation.
5.) Rev. 20-22 is past the End of the Age
The 7th Vial come after the 2nd Woe which is when the Two-witnesses die.
Rev. 11:18 has NOTHING to do with the final Judgment, people just do nit understand the way God acts. On the Last Trump, which is is the the Seven Vials all packed into one, God announces His intentions of the coming Seven Plagues and what they will accomplish. Until shows shows up and casts Satan into the Pit and the Beast into hell he has not officially taken over. The Angel is announcing what these coming Seven Vials will bring about. Trumpets are USED FOR ANNOUNCEMENTS !!
Rev. 20 happens after the 7th Vial, and Rev. 11:18 happens before the 7th Vial.
The 21 Judgments take 3.5 years, the 1st Woe takes 5 Months, go read it, so you don;t think the Seven Last Judgments will take 2 1/2 months, but the the other 14 Judgments takes over 3 years come on now !!
The fact is when the Angel announces these last Seven Vials will come in QUICK STACCATO FASHION, it seems to me like 75 days is very fast in juxtaposition to the Seven Seals and the Seven Trumpets which take over THREE YEARS.
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We disagree.
The 7th vial in Revelation 16:17 is the end "It Is Done"
Exactly the same event of Revelation 11:15 "He Shall Reign For Ever And Ever"
Eternity Has Started.
You disregard this fact of scripture.
The final judgment takes place in Revelation 11:18, as you state it does'nt we strongly disagree. This is the same final judgment as seen in Revelation 20:11-15
You have the definition of the 3rd woe that comes quickly as 75 days, I disagree.
The 7th vial & 7th Trump are the exact same time frame, the end.
You don't believe "It Is Done" means exactly what it say's, you have 75 days beyond this, I disagree.
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Should we take that, as meaning that you have no idea what is the First Woe and The Second WOE ? Hmm ...!
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Your not the teacher Riberra, and im not your student.
Make your claim's concerning your belief on the three woes, then we will dialogue on your claim.
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The FIRST WOE event And the Second WOE event are described in Revelation 9 ....can you see them ?
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Your problem here is two-fold. There are chapters that cover the same thing, like Rev. 14, 16 and 18, they all cover the same event, Babylon's destruction in Rev. 14 (Babylon is Fallen) and the Winepress. In Rev. 16:19 God sees Babylon as the NATIONS THAT FELL, then hes sees them as being placed in the Winepress (SAME EVENT). Then in Rev. ch. 18 it speaks about Babylon falling again, this is the WHOLE WORLD being hit with all 21 Plagues/Judgments of God.
Likewise Rev. 11 and Rev. 16 can cover the same thing/event but in a different manner, and even if you are correct, you are not correct in that you still miss one fact. The Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Second Woe ends. The 3rd Woe is then announced. You do realize that the 7th Seal is ALL SEVEN TRUMPETS RIGHT? Thus the 3rd Woe is ALL SEVEN VIALS wrapped into one in like manner. So seeing as its being shown as ONE WOE here, you could get the Angel announcing what the end of the 3rd Woe will result in, but the facts are when the SEVEN VIALS come fourth there are SEVEN ANGELS that pour each one out individually. Jesus lands on the Mt of Olives on the SEVENTH VIAL.
If we use common sense here we understand that since the 7th Seal is all Seven Trumpets and the 7th Trumpet or the 3rd Woe is all SEVEN VIALS, then we could say Jesus loosed all 21 of the Judgments !!
Since the Two-witnesses die during the 2nd Woe, they can not die during the 3rd Woe. Thus the Beast dies after the Two-witnesses, did you guys take math in school ?
Now you can not say the 2nd Woe is the SAME EVENT as Rev. ch. 16. You are trying to confuse the situation for some reason. I am not easily confused. The Two-witnesses die before the Beast. That is not going to change by slight of hand.
Rev. 11 kind of goes with the Visions of 10, 12, 13, 14, 17 and 18. Remember, the 2nd Woe has already been told in Rev. ch. 9, so Rev. 11 is more akin to a VISION, its not a real time event.
Its just filling in the gaps so to speak. 2nd Woe in Rev. 9, the 7 Vials are in Rev. 16, so Rev. 11 is not a real time event per se, its just basically filling us in on when the Two witnesses die. They basically die in Rev. chapter 9 but it just isn't spoken of. Just like Rev. 12, 13, 17 and 18 start during Rev. ch 6.
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The three woes are seen as the last 3 trumps, 5th, 6th, and 7th as clearly taught in Revelation 8:13
Yes the 5th and 6th trump, 1st & 2nd woes are seen in Revelation 9
The first woe is past in Revelation 9:12, the second woe is past in Revelation 11:14, the third woe is the 7th trump Revelation 11:15
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