All Israel is saved

Buzz_B · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
God is not so small and Jesus blood so weak to only allow many to be saved we have argued this point already. That is why saviorS will come out of Mount Zion the taberncale of David etc.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 24, 2018

Buzz_B said:
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Perish does not mean annihilation. Besides God never called them he has many ages to do this. saviorS.

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 24, 2018

Buzz_B said:
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 5:34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

Romans 10:1 ¶Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

1 Thessalonians 2:16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

1 Corinthians 10:33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.

Salvation for All

saviorS

1 Corin 15: 21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23: But every man in his own order:

Hab 2:13-14

13 Behold, is it not of the LORD of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?

14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

1 Peter 3:18-20

Weymouth’s

Christ also once and for all died for the sins, the innocent ones and for the guilty many, in order to bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but was made live in the spirit, in which he also went and proclaim His message to the Spirits in prison, who in ancient times had been disobedient, while God’s long suffering was patiently waiting in the days of Noal during the building of the Ark, in which a few persons – eight in number were brought safely though the water.

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Rom 11:32: For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Luke 3:6: And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Jer.31 “The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD .

33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD ,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD . "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

John 6:45 It is written in [the book of] the Prophets, and they shall all be taught of God [have Him in person for their Teacher]. Everyone who has listened to and learned from the Father comes to Me--

PS 139;8B If I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there.

Ps 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations. (KJV)

1 Corin 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Note this says the world not just those in Christ.

Reconcile: 2643 katallage (kat-al-lag-ay');from 2644; exchange (figuratively, adjustment), i.e. restoration to (the divine) favor: KJV-- atonement, reconciliation (-ing).

1 Corin 5: 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Imputing: 3049 logizomai 3056; to take an inventory, i.e. estimate (literally or figuratively): KJV-- conclude, (ac-) count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on).

Romans 8:18-25 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Luke 3: 6 (Amp)

And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand

and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God

(the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).

Luke 3:6:

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Rom 11:26:

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, there shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Rom 11:32:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Num 14:21

But indeed as I live all the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord.

Hab 2:13-14

13 Behold, is it not of the LORD of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?

14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)

It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.

Acts 15:14 Declares that he will return again and restore the Tabernacle of David and then he will save the remainder of mankind

Corin 15: 21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23: But every man in his own order:

Buzz_B · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Adam obviously must of been very ignorant, nave and too innocent. Point being it was God's plan so what little had to do with it was more of a roll player that and instigator . He was simply doing what God KNEW would happen or God is NOT
omnipotent, omnipotent, omniscience, omniscient, omnipotence, omnipresent

James 1:16-17 "Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man'

Buzz_B · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Perish does not mean annihilation. Besides God never called them he has many ages to do this. saviorS.

they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 24, 2018

Buzz_B said:
James 1:16-17 "Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning."

James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man'

Do you have a point of repeating your self? If you do not like the scriptures I posted refute them. Is omni or is He not?

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 24, 2018

Buzz_B said:
they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

saviorS

Buzz_B · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Salvation for All

saviorS

1 Corin 15: 21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23: But every man in his own order:

Hab 2:13-14

13 Behold, is it not of the LORD of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?

14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

1 Peter 3:18-20

Weymouth’s

Christ also once and for all died for the sins, the innocent ones and for the guilty many, in order to bring us to God. He was put to death in the flesh, but was made live in the spirit, in which he also went and proclaim His message to the Spirits in prison, who in ancient times had been disobedient, while God’s long suffering was patiently waiting in the days of Noal during the building of the Ark, in which a few persons – eight in number were brought safely though the water.

.

Rom 11:32: For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Luke 3:6: And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Jer.31 “The time is coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the LORD .

33 "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the LORD. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD ,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the LORD . "For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more."

John 6:45 It is written in [the book of] the Prophets, and they shall all be taught of God [have Him in person for their Teacher]. Everyone who has listened to and learned from the Father comes to Me--

PS 139;8B If I make my bed in hell, behold thou art there.

Ps 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee. 28 For the kingdom is the LORD's: and he is the governor among the nations. (KJV)

1 Corin 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. Note this says the world not just those in Christ.

Reconcile: 2643 katallage (kat-al-lag-ay');from 2644; exchange (figuratively, adjustment), i.e. restoration to (the divine) favor: KJV-- atonement, reconciliation (-ing).

1 Corin 5: 17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Imputing: 3049 logizomai 3056; to take an inventory, i.e. estimate (literally or figuratively): KJV-- conclude, (ac-) count (of), + despise, esteem, impute, lay, number, reason, reckon, suppose, think (on).

Romans 8:18-25 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time [are] not worthy [to be compared] with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope, because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, [then] do we with patience wait for [it].

Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Luke 3: 6 (Amp)

And all mankind shall see (behold and [a]understand

and at last acknowledge) the salvation of God

(the deliverance from eternal death decreed by God).

Luke 3:6:

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

Rom 11:26:

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, there shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Rom 11:32:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

Num 14:21

But indeed as I live all the earth will be filled with the glory of the Lord.

Hab 2:13-14

13 Behold, is it not of the LORD of hosts that the people shall labour in the very fire, and the people shall weary themselves for very vanity?

14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. (KJV)

Romans 5:18-20 (Weymouth’s)

It follows then just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which to the whole race, so also is the result of a single degree of righteousness is a life giving acquittal which extends to the whole race. (19) for as thought the disobedience of one individual the mass of mankind were constituted as sinners, so also though the obedience of one, the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous. Now law was brought in later on so that the transgression might increase, but sin increased, grace is overflowed.

Acts 15:14 Declares that he will return again and restore the Tabernacle of David and then he will save the remainder of mankind

Corin 15: 21: For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22: For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23: But every man in his own order:

Now you are flooding.

I had hoped better of you but even the holy spirit can be grieved.

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 24, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Now you are flooding.

I had hoped better of you but even the holy spirit can be grieved.

Not at all. This is very relevant and say a lot you will not address.

Buzz_B · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Not at all. This is very relevant and say a lot you will not address.

You have your mind made up and I have given you sufficient opportunity. In obedience to the holy Scripture i must now back away from you. But know this:

If we teach not the truth concerning what Christ is doing that makes us an anti

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 24, 2018

Buzz_B said:
You have your mind made up and I have given you sufficient opportunity. In obedience to the holy Scripture i must now back away from you. But know this:

If we teach not the truth concerning what Christ is doing that makes us an anti

Christ means anointed. I see no anointing in your post just words. Back many years ago before God pulled the fleshly veil from my spiritual sight I believed the way to do. Things like saviorS made no since to me. Now they totally are amazing. I prey God pull the veil of flesh off your vision so that you may have wide open eyes at some amazing. God bless. great debate.

GenemZ · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
The word angel simply means messenger.

Bad,,,,, I can mean messenger. It does not have to.

GenemZ · Jan 24, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
Christ means anointed. I see no anointing in your post just words. Back many years ago before God pulled the fleshly veil from my spiritual sight I believed the way to do. Things like saviorS made no since to me. Now they totally are amazing. I prey God pull the veil of flesh off your vision so that you may have wide open eyes at some amazing. God bless. great debate.

Is every man of God who is anointed, also Christ?

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 25, 2018

genez said:
Is every man of God who is anointed, also Christ?

I do not think so. I see God's elect as anointed. Saul was anointed because the people choose him. There was a better anointing as we see in David for David was anointed by God as a young boy. To many people anointings

You see Christ can be in us, or we can be in Christ. To be in Christ means you are totally swallowed up in Christ. Take a bottle of water, yes the bottle of water is full of water like Christ being in us, but is not the same as that bottle of water which is full of water (Christ) is thrown in a pool of water. Now that bottle of water is no longer Christ just with in, but it is now totally swallowed up by Christ. Do you see the difference between Christ being in us and we being in Christ.

Buzz_B · Jan 25, 2018

genez said:
God allows some to come here to see if we can resist typing what we are really thinking.

I do have a bit of the stinker in me at times that enjoys a cheerful jest. And it is good to see that once in a while. It keeps us mindful that we are yet on our way toward the mark of godly perfection and yet have work to be done. It is kind like the kids who used to imitate that PeeWee Herman statement, "I know you are but what am I", with a big grin on their face.

I am reminded of a frustrated mother home with her children all day long, all of whom fell into a pattern of arguing with her. And by the time dad gets home she is ready to pull all of her hair out. That can be the situation for us if we do not know when to back away from a point we are discussing with anyone, especially when their mind is set only on debate. Debate is good in a careful and sincere decision making way but going beyond that debate becomes an ungodly sport. And having gone beyond that it turns the word of God into the material to be used for that ungodly sport.

Edit: And just as a heads up on the "turn ungodliness away from Jacob" debate, what the most common failure is for those who think literally all are to be saved, is that those using certain OT references as their proof seem blind to the fact that all of those references are yet talking about a remnant. Not the entirety but a remnant. All that "might be saved" because they become willing to receive the knowledge of the truth. The reason the children of Israel (the ten-tribe kingdom), that is those who were allowed to remain living, were dispersed into all the earth is so that a remnant of them, just as Paul said, "might be saved."

No one while blind is Israel. They are all only as Jacob. And only those who prove to be willing to allow God to lift off the veil from their hearts as Jacob who fought to receive the promise, are really Israel. The rest prove to be blind by their own wickedness and in that respect differed from Jacob.

And so, Paul, in saying, "Not all [born] of Israel are Israel", was also saying that those who are not as Jacob's tenacity to fight for the promise are not even really Jacob. For their actions disown them because their desires are not like their father, Jacob, to really intensely want and be willing to do what it takes to receive that promise.

GenemZ · Jan 25, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
I do not think so. I see God's elect as anointed. Saul was anointed because the people choose him. There was a better anointing as we see in David for David was anointed by God as a young boy. To many people anointings

If you claim something? And, its truth, as the truth is to be known? Then why the juggling act to follow?

If "Christ" simply means anointed? You are dropping things on your head now as you try to juggle into another realm...

It means much more than simply anointed. Christ speaks of His Deity side of the hypostatic union of Jesus Christ!

Jesus = the humanity of the union of Jesus Christ.
Christ = the Deity of the union of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God and man, in one union forever!

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. " (Heb 1:3a)

Now that is the UNIQUE anointing of Jesus Christ. It does not simply mean "anointed."

He is THE Christ! He is THE anointing by which we as men, can understand God directly, from God, as God.

GenemZ · Jan 25, 2018

Buzz_B said:
Edit: And just as a heads up on the "turn ungodliness away from Jacob" debate, what the most common failure is for those who think literally all are to be saved, is that those using certain OT references as their proof seem blind to the fact that all of those references are yet talking about a remnant. Not the entirety but a remnant. All that "might be saved" because they become willing to receive the knowledge of the truth. The reason the children of Israel (the ten-tribe kingdom), that is those who were allowed to remain living, were dispersed into all the earth is so that a remnant of them, just as Paul said, "might be saved."

They now must be dispersed. For the goal of Satan is to gather all Israel into one place. Why? So he might destroy every last vestige of the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Coincidence? That was the goal of demon possessed Adolf Hitler.

Why? So there could be no Jews left on earth when Jesus Christ is to return.

Why no Jews? Well? If the Lord can not fulfill His promises to Israel to set up His Kingdom over the Jews? Then? ... God lied!

If God lied? Then Satan has a legitimate case against God for not being The Perfect Judge.

If that were proven so? Satan walks away from the Lake of Fire a free agent!

Why do you think Islam (which is a Satanic religion) has such a maniacal lust to kill and destroy all Jews? Satan wants a way out of the Lake of Fire! That is why also Zionism is dangerous. For, all Jews by God's protection now are to be scattered, so they can be gathered and saved when Jesus returns!

Satan desperately spreads antisemitism wherever he can find moronic hearts wishing to have someone to hate in order to make themselves feel superior to another.

...that is those who were allowed to remain living, were dispersed into all the earth is so that a remnant of them, just as Paul said, "might be saved."

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Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 25, 2018

genez said:
If you claim something? And, its truth, as the truth is to be known? Then why the juggling act to follow?

If "Christ" simply means anointed? You are dropping things on your head now as you try to juggle into another realm...

It means much more than simply anointed. Christ speaks of His Deity side of the hypostatic union of Jesus Christ!

Jesus = the humanity of the union of Jesus Christ.
Christ = the Deity of the union of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God and man, in one union forever!

"The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. " (Heb 1:3a)

Now that is the UNIQUE anointing of Jesus Christ. It does not simply mean "anointed."

He is THE Christ! He is THE anointing by which we as men, can understand God directly, from God, as God.

So what is your point?

GenemZ · Jan 25, 2018

Soar Like and Eagle said:
So what is your point?

The one you keep missing. The one I addressed ...

Soar Like and Eagle · Jan 25, 2018

genez said:
The one you keep missing. The one I addressed ...

I do not follow you at all???

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