Is the Eucharist a Sacrifice?

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Every time you share a meal with your family of friends, you say the Blessing, and then eat, you are doing it in "Remembrance of Him" till the Lord comes.
You have to toss out a lot of what our Lord said to reach the "just a remembrance" point.
 
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Could that be, because you have not only been taught the ritual of your own Denomination, and heard of how Communion is accomplished in the Catholic and Orthodox Denominations.
Raised Baptist, where communion was a sip and a nibble done once a year as a rule. Just a rembrance of what our Lord said, and St. Paul emphasized is the taking of our Lord's Body and Blood. A bit more important than a burger and beers with your friends.

What your asking about is nothing more than a DOGMA, an unsubstanciated belief.
Thatdogma come straight from the lips of our Lord. Trivialize it if you choose.
 
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It isn’t in the scriptures it comes out of the traditions of men and we should flee from such things as sacraments it sacfrice is the mass or many other Eucharist aspects.
So, "sacrifice" or nay, do we just discard the words of our Lord and St. Paul because we're afraid of looking too Catholic? I'm with Luther, I'd rather drink Blood with the Catholics than wine with the revisionists.
 
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Q: Is the "Eucharist" a "Sacrifice"?
A: According to the Bible, NO!
Sorry, but your lot doesn't believe that it's the Lord's Body and Blood, either, in spite of St. Paul's warnings about eating and drinking damnation.
 
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Every time you share a meal with your family of friends, you say the Blessing, and then eat, you are doing it in "Remembrance of Him" till the Lord comes.

This is truly a debased attitude towards the Lord's Supper, even from a Memoraliast perspective.
 
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Indeed it does mean thanksgiving. However that term is not used to name the ritual in the NT itself. So the very name given to it by Catholic theology (which believes it's a sacrifice) is sort of begging the question.

I don't have any problem with the name, but I don't think that this is evidence for the sacrificial view.

I realized even though Lutherans and Anglicans do not use the terminology of sacrifice, what Lutherans and Anglicans actually do during the Eucharistic act isn't necessarily essentially different from Catholics and Orthodox. Prayers are offered on behalf of the congregation for the whole world, an anaphora is said recalling the history of salvation, the institution narrative is read, then the communion is distributed, and prayers of thanksgiving and/or sending are made. The only real difference is that the Orthodox and Catholics are more explicit in offering the Communion itself as a sacrifice (and not just offering "a sacrifice of praise" joined with the Lord's Supper, which is actually consistent with the Lutheran or Reformed view). But it's potentially a very fine point.
 
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Sorry, but your lot doesn't believe that it's the Lord's Body and Blood, either, in spite of St. Paul's warnings about eating and drinking damnation.
as far as the body of Christ is concerned and not discerning the Lords body, we can also understand this as Paul said in a previous chapter in context to what he said in Chapter 11. Do some discern the Lord's body, the body of Christ?

1 Corinthians 10:17
"For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread."

Some were not understanding the meaning of Christ sacrifice on the cross and resurrection to create a new man one body in him. We are the body of Christ and if one member suffers all should. But they were not waiting for the poor and despising the church, or the one bread one body of Christ
By one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.

"What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? what shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not....
33 Wherefore, my brethren, when
ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. 34 And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation.
"(1 Cor 11:22,33,34 KJV)

"12 For as the
body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body,"( 1 Cor 12:12,13 KJV)


Pauls understanding of the body of Christ is clear in the letter to the Corinthians. Wr all have a common union together in Christ and we remember what Christ did for us on the cross and by his death and resurrection.
 
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Raised Baptist, where communion was a sip and a nibble done once a year as a rule. Just a rembrance of what our Lord said, and St. Paul emphasized is the taking of our Lord's Body and Blood. A bit more important than a burger and beers with your friends.

Thatdogma come straight from the lips of our Lord. Trivialize it if you choose.
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Nah, Jesus spoke truth, Dogma comes from man through the Church.

It was only a Metaphor for the purpose of remembrance, "Do this in remembrance of me" that's what the Lord said.
 
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You have to toss out a lot of what our Lord said to reach the "just a remembrance" point.
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Not really, all you need to do is understand what the Lord was actually saying to His Disciples, and throw out all of the add on's from man and the Church.
 
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This seems much looser and much more disconnected from the cross than the Bible's view of the Eucharist.
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No, what your seeing is the Churches view.

What Jesus said was very simple, easy to understand, the Church complicates the things of God, making it difficult and confusing for the people.

Communion wasn't instituted by Jesus for the "Institution and administration by the Church," it's for the People.

We the People comprise the Church of Christ, His Mystical Body, not some organized Denomination.


If I partake of the Bread & Wine with my family, and friends, then we are Remembering our Lord until He comes, that is what we were told to do by Jesus, ....."AS OFTEN"...... the more often the Remembrance is made, the better off we are.
 
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Jesus is our sacrifice. Jesus is our high priest. Through Jesus we have access to the Father. But should the earthly celebration of the Eucharist be regarded as a sacrifice?
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Simple answer ...No. Jesus is our Sacrifice, we can do nothing to add to it.


It is said that Communion is a Sacrament.

Definition of Sacrament.
1) A visible sign of an inward grace, especially one of the solemn Christian rites
considered to have been instituted by Jesus Christ to symbolize or confer grace:

2) An outward sign combined with a prescribed form of words and regarded as conferring some specific grace upon those who receive it.

Question.
What is the specific grace conferred upon those who receive Communion?
 
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No, what your seeing is the Churches view.

What Jesus said was very simple, easy to understand, the Church complicates the things of God, making it difficult and confusing for the people.

Communion wasn't instituted by Jesus for the "Institution and administration by the Church," it's for the People.

We the People comprise the Church of Christ, His Mystical Body, not some organized Denomination.


If I partake of the Bread & Wine with my family, and friends, then we are Remembering our Lord until He comes, that is what we were told to do by Jesus, ....."AS OFTEN"...... the more often the Remembrance is made, the better off we are.

So in your mind, the Church is superfluous? We have no duty to gather together for "the breaking of the bread and the prayers"?

Please keep in mind, I'm not saying church attendance is absolutely necessary for salvation, but it would seem to be a tragic situation indeed in which we are forced to "go it alone".
 
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So in your mind, the Church is superfluous? We have no duty to gather together for "the breaking of the bread and the prayers"?

Please keep in mind, I'm not saying church attendance is absolutely necessary for salvation, but it would seem to be a tragic situation indeed in which we are forced to "go it alone".
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Maybe you could read my posts before you make comment on them, your putting words in my mouth, assuming I have said things I haven't.

The Church as you call it is made up of Rituals, Traditions, Dogmas.
Now if you want to take that to mean superfluous the the answer is yes I do.

But our gathering together as a body of Believers, sure, we should not forsake the Fellowship of the Saints, and share Communion as the Body of Christ.

You don't have to say it, because Church Attendance isn't necessary for Salvation......Belief in Jesus for the Forgiveness of sins is.......Then Baptism.

Mar 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 
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Maybe you could read my posts before you make comment on them, your putting words in my mouth, assuming I have said things I haven't.

The Church as you call it is made up of Rituals, Traditions, Dogmas.
Now if you want to take that to mean superfluous the the answer is yes I do.

But our gathering together as a body of Believers, sure, we should not forsake the Fellowship of the Saints, and share Communion as the Body of Christ.

You don't have to say it, because Church Attendance isn't necessary for Salvation......Belief in Jesus for the Forgiveness of sins is.......Then Baptism.

Mar 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

So your church has no rituals, creeds, and dogmas? What exactly do you do at church, are you Quakers? Even Quakers have traditions. They may not look the same as Anglican or Baptist ones, but they exist, even if it's a tradition of gathering in a meeting house and sitting silently. There is no religion that doesn't have those things to one degree or another.

Please, you're just being anti-intellectual to be obscure.
 
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So your church has no rituals, creeds, and dogmas? What exactly do you do at church, are you Quakers? Even Quakers have traditions. They may not look the same as Anglican or Baptist ones, but they exist, even if it's a tradition of gathering in a meeting house and sitting silently. There is no religion that doesn't have those things to one degree or another.

Please, you're just being anti-intellectual to be obscure.
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Your just being ridiculous, you know full well what I mean.
 
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You just being ridiculous, you know full well what I mean.

Yes I do. And you are just being obscure and argumentative by insisting that one kind of ritual is not a ritual.
 
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I realized even though Lutherans and Anglicans do not use the terminology of sacrifice, what Lutherans and Anglicans actually do during the Eucharistic act isn't necessarily essentially different from Catholics and Orthodox.
Yeah we're all prettty much in agreement.
 
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Pauls understanding of the body of Christ is clear in the letter to the Corinthians. Wr all have a common union together in Christ and we remember what Christ did for us on the cross and by his death and resurrection.

I think this adequately knocks the "just a memorial" idea into a cocked hat:

1 Corinthians 11

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

King James Version (KJV)
 
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Nah, Jesus spoke truth
Then we're in agreement! Our Lord said that the bread is His Body, and the wine His Blood. St. Paul reaafirmed that in the strongest terms. So the dogma that attempts to reduce the Holy Communion to a mere sip and nibble in memoriam is obviously bogus.

Dogma comes from man through the Church.
Just so.

It was only a Metaphor
Thus saith your dogma in contradiction of the words of our Lord and St. Paul. A fig for your dogma!

for the purpose of remembrance, "Do this in remembrance of me" that's what the Lord said.
Back to my original assertion, you have to chop out a lot of what our Lord said to get to your dogma of "just a memorial".
 
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