Daniel 9:24-25 Seventy Weeks, A Future Literal 490 Day Period

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The 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and Jerusalem - neither has yet to accept the gospel. One shmita cycle to go.

Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Who are Daniel's people? You need to read the preceding verses that Daniel wrote:

Dan 9:20
[20] And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

Daniel was referring to the people of Israel. But what Israel is this? National Israel or Covenant Israel. Before you answer, let check with Luke.

Luk 1:68-70
[68] Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
[69] And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
[70] As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

There the prophecy is fulfilled as Daniel's people Israel has their Messiah come, that their sins would be closed up (or come to an end) and that reconciliation would be made. And that is exactly what christ, who was Israel's Messiah the Prince did:

Heb 2:17
[17] Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. This is the same prophecy we read in Daniel, that Messiah the Prince would come for the reconciliation of the sins of His people who are also Daniel's people, Selah!

And what Holy City? Is it a literal city in the Middle East? No, not at all! It is all those "people" brought home to the City of God. Daniel did. David did. Peter did. I did. It is Jerusalem from above! A New Jerusalem. Holy City!

You, Dispensationalists got it all messed up. The Seventy Week is not about National Israel, Jews, or Antichrist from Europe. Come on.
 
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The OP is off on this because he won't listen to the passage. How hard is it to understand the seventy weeks literally means seventy sevens? Right there in the prophecy it can be determined that this is weeks of years.
 
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City & Sanctuary= Christ's Body on cross= People in Congregation= This teaching isn't found in scripture.

Yes. It does. I quoted you some verses. You didn't receive nor understand God's Word. You are as spiritually blind as the Scribes of Old who did not understand what Christ actually talked about.

John 8:43
  • "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word."
 
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Could the announcement be made, to "Restore & Build" Jerusalem?

Will Daniels 70 weeks start before our very eyes?

Daniel was in captivity at Babylon when the 70 weeks prophecy was given by the angel Gabriel.
At that point in time Jerusalem had been destroyed.
Was Jerusalem rebuilt after that time?

You may want to get out a history book to find out if Jerusalem was rebuilt after the time of Daniel, before you go any further down this road you are now on.



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Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

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It is not Christians who are going to observe the confirming of the Mt. Sinai covenant for the shmita cycle, but Jews.
 
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Say what? No where in Scripture that God defined the little horn as the prince or antichrist! It is your private interpretation. Not God.
Now you are speaking for God? Really? I find that hard to believe. Judging from the tone of all your posts.

Anyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation of the bible is accused by you of private interpretation.

Gee-whiz! Wake up and start studying the Scripture carefully and not be deceived by World News, Book of Josephus, your favorite televangelist, or YouTube Prophecy Lunatics.
See what I mean? Look at the tone of your posts. I have not referenced any of those.

Do you really think God is going to give you the understanding of the scriptures - for you to take whatever understanding He gives, for you to turn around and talk to others the way you do?

You do not understand the principles in walking with God.
 
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You, Dispensationalists got it all messed up. The Seventy Week is not about National Israel, Jews, or Antichrist from Europe. Come on.
Take a look below my Avatar. It says non-dispensationalist.

What it says in the text is 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and the holy city Jerusalem. Where is Jerusalem?
 
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Do you believe verse 27 below represents Daniels "Abomination Of Desolation" as seen in Matthew 24:15?

If yes when do you believe this has or will be fulfilled, "After Jesus Spoke These Words"?

I believe you have one of two choices?

1.) 66-70AD Roman destruction of Jerusalem?

Or

2.) A future event unfulfilled?

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel was in captivity at Babylon when the 70 weeks prophecy was given by the angel Gabriel.
At that point in time Jerusalem had been destroyed.
Was Jerusalem rebuilt after that time?

You may want to get out a history book to find out if Jerusalem was rebuilt after the time of Daniel, before you go any further down this road you are now on.



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Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
It reflects the understanding of Bible scholars of that time.


Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

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Do you believe verse 27 below represents Daniels "Abomination Of Desolation" as seen in Matthew 24:15?

If yes when do you believe this has or will be fulfilled, "After Jesus Spoke These Words"?

If yes, I believe you have one of two choices?

1.) 66-70AD Roman destruction of Jerusalem?

Or

2.) A future event unfulfilled?

If you choose the preterist 66-70AD fulfillment, then we argue over Matthew 24:29-31 that shows the "Second Advent" that takes place

"Immediately After The Tribulation Of Those Days"

"They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming"

This Put's the Great Tribulation, Abomination Of Desolation, and Second Advent As A Future Event.

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
From the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America.
It reflects the understanding of Bible scholars of that time.


Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.


Daniel 9:27

And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.

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Mat 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

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(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
When did Jesus first make the Gospel of his death and resurrection understood to the disciples that they understood it?

It was after the resurrection, in Luke 21:44-48. So if that is the day he confirmed the covenant for 7 years. Then the new covenant only lasted seven years? Really? That makes sense to you?

The 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and the holy city Jerusalem. How are you reading the gentiles into the 70 weeks?
 
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Now you are speaking for God? Really?

By quoting His Word. Yes. Really. [/quote]

I find that hard to believe. Judging from the tone of all your posts.

No, you were offended by my truthful testimony on the subject which is why you focus on the "tone" of my post than actually listen to Word I say.

Anyone that doesn't agree with your interpretation of the bible is accused by you of private interpretation.

Of course, because I can see that they have not quoted a Scripture to back their position up. My doctrines are rooted in Scripture, not tradition. We allow scripture to interpret scripture, you lean upon your teachers and tradition. That's the difference. A spirit to believe God, or a spirit to believe man. The carnal flesh of man or the spiritual words of God.

Do you really think God is going to give you the understanding of the scriptures - for you to take whatever understanding He gives, for you to turn around and talk to others the way you do?

What did Elijah tell the false prophets of Baal when they made a sacrifice to their gods, 1 Kings 18:27? Elijah mocked them! You would not approve his tone yet he is Man of God, won't you?

You do not understand the principles in walking with God.

Actually, you do not understand the principle of allowing Scripture to compare Scripture. Many of you came up with a private interpretation based on your indoctrination of false teachers and traditions.
 
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Take a look below my Avatar. It says non-dispensationalist.

What it says in the text is 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and the holy city Jerusalem. Where is Jerusalem?

If you deny that 70 weeks are for all Elect, Daniel's people, and the Holy City Jerusalem which from above while you believe this prophecy is strictly about the Jews only and about their physical city in the Middle East. You are dispensationalist, whether you like it or not.
 
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The 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and the holy city Jerusalem. How are you reading the gentiles into the 70 weeks?

I think you need to stop and start reading the Scripture again about the Jews and the Holy City and how the Gentiles can be part of it.

Zechariah 12:3

  • "And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."
It's the allegorical story of two Jerusalems. One earthy, of this world and the flesh carnal, and remains at war with all around her--and one Spiritual, not of this world but of heaven, which is not carnal and has been comforted and is at peace. Yes, this passage points to judgment upon the earthly Jerusalem for sin, but also symbolism and imagery regarding their efforts at work to build and carry this city themselves, and their rejection of the unburdensome Stone as the Spiritual foundation of that building.

Psalms 127:1
  • "...Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain."
A Spiritual Nation, a Spiritual City, a Spiritual Temple, all with Spiritual Jews. This is what the nation of Israel and their facsimiles the Dispensationalists don't understand about prophesy. Briefly, this all speaks of the earthly stone that men are laden with vs the Spiritual stone that is no burden to them. The burdensome stone represents something oppressively heavy. Jerusalem is this burdensome stone because its people (as they still do today) attempt to build and uphold the nation of Israel, the Holy City Jerusalem, and the Holy Temple and bear it by their own efforts. They are the prophesied builders (Mark 12:10) who by their own means and their own hands want to build earthly nations, kingdoms, cities and Temples, foolishly thinking this is what prophecy requires and what God desires. And this is the great weight of Jerusalem that was and still is truly oppressing both them and every Zionist that is connected with this philosophy. By contrast, Christ is the Jerusalem that is a "Burden-less Stone" and is not heavy or oppressive to its people. Indeed He came as the foundation Stone of the builders that He might relieve their burden, but they (like the Dispensationalists who sprang from their root) want nothing to do with a Spiritual Israel and are obsessed with a temporal land, Jerusalem, and Temple. In other words, Christ came as the Stone that would give them rest from these heavy burdens that no human could carry on their own, and they refused that type of Stone, that type of Messiah, that type of Kingdom. Take for example what Christ said in Matthew chapter 11:

Matthew 11:28-30
  • "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
  • Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
  • For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."
Christ Jesus Himself is the Stone whose burden is light as compared to the burden of earthly Jerusalem, because He does all the heavy lifting Himself! Selah! Christ is the burden-less stone that the builders (Jews) rejected! Get it? And that rejection means that they had to bear the heavy burden of sin themselves. Something mankind cannot do, and anyone who tries will come under God's judgment. That's why Christ came as the Spiritual nation, the Spiritual Israel, God's "true" only begotten Son called out of Egypt, the Spiritual Jerusalem from above, the Spiritual city of Peace, the Spiritual Holy Temple wherein we can enter into the true holiest of Holies in a Spiritual way through His flesh (Hebrews 10:20). For some reason this Spiritual understanding of God's truth offends many like you, Dougg! However, it is in this Spiritual Jerusalem only that God's chosen people may cast off that heavy and burdensome stone. For they think of Prophecy in earthly / worldly terms as concerning the people residing in a plot of dirt in the middle east. Consider the prophesy of Christ's coming and the language of this Spiritual Jerusalem that will learn war no more:

Isaiah 40:1-3
  • "Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
  • Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
  • The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
This Jerusalem represents the elect people of God who will study war against God no more because they are the Jerusalem that is Spiritual and comforted by God. It's not earthly Jerusalem, or the physical city in Israel that finds Peace and safety, it is the people of this burdenless Stone. These are two distinct and separate Jerusalems, as diverse as Hagar and Sarah and the Covenants with Israel that they represented.

One Jerusalem Christ wept over and prophesied its desolation:

Matthew 23:37-38
  • "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
  • Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."
This Jerusalem is the burdensome stone that has been cast down, and remains at war with God, who has brought its people to desolation for their rejection.

Yet, the other Jerusalem God has forgiven and comforted and made peace with. She is the Israel of God, a Holy Nation, a holy City, a Holy Temple, not made by the work of men's hands, but made without hands. This Jerusalem has a burdenless foundation stone whereupon we build, and it is this Stone that brought His people's rest and peace with God. The burdensome stone Jerusalem is surrounded with armies because she never has any peace and once the True Stone was rejected, God sent judgment upon it.

How ironic that a Holy City of God whose name means "Peace" would be found in captivity and at war wherein she was left desolated and in bondage/captivity with her children even to this day, while the Jerusalem which is from heaven would be set free and brought everlasting peace and safety. The allegory of the two groups is striking, but clearly understandable through Spiritual eyes opened by the power of the Revelator.

Galatians 4:23-26
  • "But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
  • Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Hagar.
  • For this Hagar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
  • But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."
Here God illustrates the two Jerusalems. One of the flesh, a burdensome stone, represented by Hagar, at war with God and so remains to this day in bondage with her children. The other from above, set free from spiritual bondage/captivity by the Lord Jesus Christ and brought peace. This is the Jerusalem whereupon the Israel of the flesh stumbled upon in God's judgment.

Now, who is really Daniel's People and his Holy City of Daniel 9:24 here? THEY are whom Christ has confirmed a covenant with, the very Messiah the Prince, who arranged with?

What about the Gentiles? Didn't you read the Scripture?

Eph 2:11-14

[11] Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
[12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
[13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
[14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

Think about it. This is why Christ confirmed a covenant with his blood so that Gentiles can be included into the commonwealth of Israel along with Jewish Elect. They are ALL Danie's people and are part of Holy City Himself which a cornerstone of that foundation!

If you deny this, then obviously you are a dispensationalist, which teaches a division between the Jews and Gentiles by keeping the 70 weeks of Daniel all about the Jews and the physical city of Jerusalem. You missed the spiritual picture, buddy.
 
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When did Jesus first make the Gospel of his death and resurrection understood to the disciples that they understood it?

It was after the resurrection, in Luke 21:44-48. So if that is the day he confirmed the covenant for 7 years. Then the new covenant only lasted seven years? Really? That makes sense to you?

The 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and the holy city Jerusalem. How are you reading the gentiles into the 70 weeks?

Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.



Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.
Gal 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
Gal 1:16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
Gal 1:17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
Gal 1:18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.


Christ commanded that the Gospel be taken first to Israel and that is what was done, as revealed by the verses below.

Rom_1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.


Rom_2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Rom_2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:


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Daniel 9:24-25 clearly states "seventy weeks" if it was intended to be different, it would be written "four hundred and ninety years"

I'm fully aware of the days/years teaching, it's error.

Daniel 10:2-3 Daniel mourned and fasted for "Three Full Weeks" 21 literal days.

This "seventy weeks" 490 day period is future, and will start at Israel/Judaism's command to "Restore & Build" Jerusalem, that sees "Seven Weeks" 49 literal days of planning/preparation.

"Three Score and Two Weeks" or 434 literal days, will see the actual building take place, wall/street, in troubled time this will take place.

Armies will surround Jerusalem and will stop this building project, "Messiah Cut Off" as Israel/Judaism will be building for/unto their awaited upon, prophesied Messiah.

There will be a renewed sacrifice I believe, that the man of sin/Antichrist will stop. A covenant of peace will be made, and the sacrifice will stop, as the abomination takes place in the midst of this future final 70th week.

I believe this building project will be in relationship to a new temple, and the conflict will arise with the Muslim world protecting their mosque at the Dome of the rock, where Jews desire to build their temple currently.

I believe Micah 7 clearly shows this in a parallel teaching.

Verses 10-12 The world armies are gathered, Jerusalem trodden, the building is stopped.

Verses 14-16 The woman of Revelation 12:6 is fed in the wilderness as in the Exodus, manna from heaven, during the tribulation, as in the Exodus from Egypt, as the world watches in astonishment.

I believe the future renewed animal sacrifice, in abomination to the shed blood of Jesus Christ is seen in Isaiah 66:3-4

That's what I believe scripture teaches of "Seventy Literal Weeks" as seen in Daniel 9:24-25

Keep an eye on Jerusalem, when the building starts, you know the world armies and "Man Of Sin/Antichrist" aren't far behind.

Jesus Christ Is Lord

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You did not answer how the 42 months of Revelation 13:5 would fit into your 7 day 70th week interpretation.

How does 42 months fit into 7 days?
THE 1260 DAYS OF DANIEL 7


The number 1260 is not just a rough figure because it is mentioned seven
times in the Bible in various different ways:

Daniel 7:25 "a time, times and half a time"
Daniel 12:7 "a time, times and half a time"
Revelation 11:2 "42 months"
Revelation 11:3 "1260 days"
Revelation 12:6 "1260 days"
Revelation 12:14 "a time, times and half a time"
Revelation 13:5 "forty-two months"

It can be shown that all these texts are referring to the same period of
time:

A time is one year = 360 days
Times are two years = 720 days
Half a time is half a year = 180 days
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Therefore the total = 1260 days

A month in prophecy is equal to 30 days, therefore forty-two months is
equal to 42 x 30 = 1260 days.

So we can see that these seven texts are talking about the same period of
time, but what does it mean?

First of all, the prophecy is not referring to literal days. In prophecy a
day is sometimes used to represent a year, and that seems to be the case
here. (See Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6) So the prophecy is talking about
a period of 1260 years.

If we now go back to Daniel 7:25 we can see that it is the power of the
Little Horn which will control the "saints" for this period of time. We
have already suggested that the Little Horn represents "Papal Rome" so does
our figure of 1260 years fit in with the records of history?

Papal Rome defeated the last of its major enemies (the Ostrogoths) in the
year 538 A.D. when Emperor Justinian's decree came into effect. Throughout
the Dark Ages the Catholic church was the most powerful political force in
the whole world, and it used its power for political and financial gain as
well as for religious purposes. Many millions were persecuted and put to
death - "oppressing the saints of the Most High" as Daniel puts it.

However the power of the Papal Church came to an end when the armed forces
of Napoleon, under general Berthier marched into Rome and took the Pope
captive. This happened in the year 1798 A.D. surprisingly (or perhaps not
so surprisingly) exactly 1260 years after the Papacy came to power in 538
A.D.
 
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THE 1260 DAYS OF DANIEL 7


The number 1260 is not just a rough figure because it is mentioned seven
times in the Bible in various different ways:

Daniel 7:25 "a time, times and half a time"
Daniel 12:7 "a time, times and half a time"
Revelation 11:2 "42 months"
Revelation 11:3 "1260 days"
Revelation 12:6 "1260 days"
Revelation 12:14 "a time, times and half a time"
Revelation 13:5 "forty-two months"

It can be shown that all these texts are referring to the same period of
time:

A time is one year = 360 days
Times are two years = 720 days
Half a time is half a year = 180 days
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Therefore the total = 1260 days

A month in prophecy is equal to 30 days, therefore forty-two months is
equal to 42 x 30 = 1260 days.

So we can see that these seven texts are talking about the same period of
time, but what does it mean?


Speaking for myself, I fully agree with you about all of the above. Not certain about the remainder of your post though, as to whether or not that you are correct about those things as well.
 
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