What kind of man is God...?

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Jesus did not expect YOU TO grasp His divinity. He descended and made Himself lower than the angels, a man and as a man was submissive to His Father. He relinquished His glory, but received nacj when He ascended. He was given All Authority in heaven and on earth - does that sound like He is submitting to the Father. They are one. So Positionally during His ministry ON EARTH He was the suffering servant, a man submitting to His Father.
You neglect Col. 1:16, 17.
Can you say Jesus is LORD? If not, the Holy Spirit is not in you. Lord means Lord.
In Hebrews 1:8, the Father refers to His Son and says, "Your throne O God will last for eternity ..."
So what say you to that?
Heb 1:8 but in regard to the Son, the God of thee, heavens and everlasting, is the sceptre of the eternal kingship of righteousnessCol 1:16 for in him we're all things created..on account of him and for him...were made..
1Cor 15:28 the Son will be subject to him so that God may be all in all.
1Cor 11:3 Christ is head of the Church and God is the Head of Christ..
 
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I'd like to ask "What kind of man, or person, is God...?"

How is he like one of us, and what might one of us truly like him, look, be, and act like...?

I'm talking about the Father God, here also...

Comments...?

God Bless!

According to the Bible, God is Spirit and love and greatest.

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand.
John 10:29
 
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According to the Bible, God is Spirit and love and greatest.

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24

He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.
1 John 4:8

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all. No one is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand.
John 10:29
Correct, but for those who do not teach the word correctly and set Christ at naught it's anathema maranatha; 1 Corinthians 16:23: the correct way is 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; 1 Corinthians 11:3; 1 Corinthians 3:23; then shall the Son be subject to him (God) that God may be all in all.
 
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Jesus is the image of the invisible God. (Colossians 1:15)
Seeing Jesus is the same as seeing the Father God. (John 14:9)

[Father God would have all the qualities of the fruit of the Spirit:]

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control (Galatians 5:22)
Combining all of the above and the below, you would get a fairly good picture of how Father God would be like as a person:

“The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished (Exodus 34:6-7)​
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I was reading in a pamphlet called "our daily bread" and I was following along in the daily readings and it brought up a Great Father/worker/dad, who's kids were saying no one was going to be able to fill his shoes, and it made me think of our Heavenly Father, and what kind of Man he was, had to be even greater than that...?

God Bless!
I mean this man was a hard worker, yes, had to go off to work, but always came back, and always had time for his family and his children, and he worked hard and knew it was for them, everyday, and supported them without complaint but with Joy, all that he did for them, which was a lot, and he did it all gladly, and he was known as a happy, good person, a great father, and family man, and is part of what made him so great, and respected, and admired and most of all, liked by everyone...

And they were looking at his workboots, (after he died or something), and were having thoughts about what other man, is going to measure up too, or fill the shoes or boots, of this man...

And I thought, well, God has to be more of a and a greater "man", or person, than even this...

God Bless!
 
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I'd like to ask "What kind of man, or person, is God...?"

How is he like one of us, and what might one of us truly like him, look, be, and act like...?

I'm talking about the Father God, here also...

Comments...?

God Bless!
Whoever has seen the son has seen the father.
There is a bible quote something to that effect.
 
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Heb 1:8 but in regard to the Son, the God of thee, heavens and everlasting, is the sceptre of the eternal kingship of righteousnessCol 1:16 for in him we're all things created..on account of him and for him...were made..
1Cor 15:28 the Son will be subject to him so that God may be all in all.
1Cor 11:3 Christ is head of the Church and God is the Head of Christ..
What Bible version are you reading from???
I've searched over 35 translations of Heb. 1:8 from biblestudytools.com and could not find your translation.
In every one of those popular English translations, the Father refers to the Son as O God or just God. "the God of thee" is not present in that verse. It obviously distorts the meaning intended, which IS to identify the Son, by the Father as GOD AND HE IS SPEAKING TO HIM DIRECTLY.
I am now wondering what church you attend which uses this inaccurate version. ???
That explains your faulty theology.
You need to read from an accepted, accurate version, like KJV, NKJV, AS, NAS, NRS, RSV, ESV, NIV, CEB, CSB, WEB, WNT, YLT
 
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What Bible version are you reading from???
I've searched over 35 translations of Heb. 1:8 from biblestudytools.com and could not find your translation.
In every one of those popular English translations, the Father refers to the Son as O God or just God. "the God of thee" is not present in that verse. It obviously distorts the meaning intended, which IS to identify the Son, by the Father as GOD AND HE IS SPEAKING TO HIM DIRECTLY.
I am now wondering what church you attend which uses this inaccurate version. ???
That explains your faulty theology.
You need to read from an accepted, accurate version, like KJV, NKJV, AS, NAS, NRS, RSV, ESV, NIV, CEB, CSB, WEB, WNT, YLT
Your Versions must be missing a few pages otherwise you would address all the other scriptures I posted:
Heb. 1:8 This verse is very properly considered a proof, and indeed a strong one, of the Divinity of Christ; but some late versions of the New Testament have endeavored to avoid the evidence of this proof by translating the words thus: God is thy throne for ever and ever; and if this version be correct, it is certain the text can be no proof of the doctrine. Mr. Wakefield vindicates this translation at large in his History of Opinions; and ὁ Θεος, being the nominative case, is supposed to be a sufficient justification of this version.
O God (ho theos). This quotation (the fifth) is from Psalms 45:7. A Hebrew nuptial ode (epithalamium) for a king treated here as Messianic. It is not certain whether ho theos is here the vocative (address with the nominative form as in John 20:28 with the Messiah termed theos as is possible, John 1:18) or ho theos is nominative (subject or predicate) with estin (is) understood: “God is thy throne” or “Thy throne is God.”
Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Psalms 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hebrews 1:9 thou didst love righteousness, and didst hate lawlessness; because of this did He anoint thee—God, thy God—with oil of gladness above thy partners;'
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Psalms 2:6-7 'And I—I have anointed My King, Upon Zion—My holy hill.'
I declare concerning a statute: Jehovah said unto me, 'My Son Thou art , I to-day have brought thee forth.
Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the messengers said He ever, 'My Son thou art—I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, 'I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?'
Hebrews 3:4 for every house is builded by some one, and He who the all things did build is God,
6 and Christ, as a Son over his house, whose house are we, if the boldness and the rejoicing of the hope unto the end we hold fast.
Isaiah 45:22 Turn to Me, and be saved, all ends of the earth, For I am God, and there is none else.
Malachi 3:1 Lo, I am sending My messenger, And he hath prepared a way before Me, And suddenly come in unto his temple Doth the Lord whom ye are seeking, Even the messenger of the covenant, Whom ye are desiring, Lo, he is coming, said Jehovah of Hosts.
1 Corinthians 15:24 then—the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power—
1 Corinthians 15:25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet—
1 Corinthians 15:27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,
1 Corinthians 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.
Hebrews 1:13 And unto which of the messengers said He ever, 'Sit at My right hand, till I may make thine enemies thy footstool?'
Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The affirmation of Jehovah to my Lord: 'Sit at My right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.'
1 Corinthians 11:3 and I wish you to know that of every man the head is the Christ, and the head of a woman is the husband, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 3:23 and ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
Philippians 2:8 and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death—death even of a cross,
 
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Your Versions must be missing a few pages otherwise you would address all the other scriptures I posted:
Heb. 1:8 This verse is very properly considered a proof, and indeed a strong one, of the Divinity of Christ; but some late versions of the New Testament have endeavored to avoid the evidence of this proof by translating the words thus: God is thy throne for ever and ever; and if this version be correct, it is certain the text can be no proof of the doctrine. Mr. Wakefield vindicates this translation at large in his History of Opinions; and ὁ Θεος, being the nominative case, is supposed to be a sufficient justification of this version.
O God (ho theos). This quotation (the fifth) is from Psalms 45:7. A Hebrew nuptial ode (epithalamium) for a king treated here as Messianic. It is not certain whether ho theos is here the vocative (address with the nominative form as in John 20:28 with the Messiah termed theos as is possible, John 1:18) or ho theos is nominative (subject or predicate) with estin (is) understood: “God is thy throne” or “Thy throne is God.”
Psalms 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Psalms 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Hebrews 1:9 thou didst love righteousness, and didst hate lawlessness; because of this did He anoint thee—God, thy God—with oil of gladness above thy partners;'
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Psalms 2:6-7 'And I—I have anointed My King, Upon Zion—My holy hill.'
I declare concerning a statute: Jehovah said unto me, 'My Son Thou art , I to-day have brought thee forth.
Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the messengers said He ever, 'My Son thou art—I to-day have begotten thee?' and again, 'I will be to him for a father, and he shall be to Me for a son?'
Hebrews 3:4 for every house is builded by some one, and He who the all things did build is God,
6 and Christ, as a Son over his house, whose house are we, if the boldness and the rejoicing of the hope unto the end we hold fast.
Isaiah 45:22 Turn to Me, and be saved, all ends of the earth, For I am God, and there is none else.
Malachi 3:1 Lo, I am sending My messenger, And he hath prepared a way before Me, And suddenly come in unto his temple Doth the Lord whom ye are seeking, Even the messenger of the covenant, Whom ye are desiring, Lo, he is coming, said Jehovah of Hosts.
1 Corinthians 15:24 then—the end, when he may deliver up the reign to God, even the Father, when he may have made useless all rule, and all authority and power—
1 Corinthians 15:25 for it behoveth him to reign till he may have put all the enemies under his feet—
1 Corinthians 15:27 for all things He did put under his feet, and, when one may say that all things have been subjected, it is evident that He is excepted who did subject the all things to him,
1 Corinthians 15:28 and when the all things may be subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.
Hebrews 1:13 And unto which of the messengers said He ever, 'Sit at My right hand, till I may make thine enemies thy footstool?'
Psalms 110:1 A Psalm of David. The affirmation of Jehovah to my Lord: 'Sit at My right hand, Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.'
1 Corinthians 11:3 and I wish you to know that of every man the head is the Christ, and the head of a woman is the husband, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 3:23 and ye are Christ's, and Christ is God's.
Philippians 2:8 and in fashion having been found as a man, he humbled himself, having become obedient unto death—death even of a cross,
What is the name of your Bible version?
I didn't ask for exegisis from Wakefield or anyone else. Don't need to try and pretend you know Koine Greek. The work of many translations has been done by hundreds capable and reliable scholars for us to examine and compare. When I read scripture that is different than 35 other popular versions and those versions are all basically saying the same thing, I question the interpretation. The doctrine that Jesus is God, a person of the Triune Godhead is sound.
 
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What is the name of your Bible version?
I didn't ask for exegisis from Wakefield or anyone else. Don't need to try and pretend you know Koine Greek. The work of many translations has been done by hundreds capable and reliable scholars for us to examine and compare. When I read scripture that is different than 35 other popular versions and those versions are all basically saying the same thing, I question the interpretation. The doctrine that Jesus is God, a person of the Triune Godhead is sound.
Cat got your tongue? Or just trying to avoid addressing what I posted? Does your Bible have those verses or are you dodging the question with another question? John 20:17 read read read...your God and my God
 
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Cat got your tongue? Or just trying to avoid addressing what I posted? Does your Bible have those verses or are you dodging the question with another question? John 20:17 read read read...your God and my God
I am in complete agreement with all the scriptures you present, just not all the translations. I told you in previous posts that God emptied Himself into a human. As a man He relinquished His glory temporarily and submitted to His Father as an example that we should all follow, bit now He HAS ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH ( Matt. 28:18)which btw, requires omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. He is the Almighty God.(Rev. 1:8)
Now, what is the name of your translation?
You see, mist any Christian I know is proud to divulge that information or like myself, I use a half dozen.
If you are ashamed or refuse because it will reveal your religion, I'm féel sorry for you.
 
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I am in complete agreement with all the scriptures you present, just not all the translations. I told you in previous posts that God emptied Himself into a human. As a man He relinquished His glory temporarily and submitted to His Father as an example that we should all follow, bit now He HAS ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH ( Matt. 28:18)which btw, requires omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. He is the Almighty God.(Rev. 1:8)
Now, what is the name of your translation?
You see, mist any Christian I know is proud to divulge that information or like myself, I use a half dozen.
If you are ashamed or refuse because it will reveal your religion, I'm féel sorry for you.
Wakefield, Parkhurst, Griesbach.John 16:28;You agree with John 20:17; I ascend to my Father and to your God and MY God. Ephesians 1:17; John 16:10; Acts of. the Apostles 17:55-56 are you saying Jesus is at the right hand of himself? Hebrews 5:5-10 Christ glorified not himself, but He that said, this my Son...1 Corinthians 15:28 the Son will be subject to Him so God may be all in all.
 
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I am in complete agreement with all the scriptures you present, just not all the translations. I told you in previous posts that God emptied Himself into a human. As a man He relinquished His glory temporarily and submitted to His Father as an example that we should all follow, bit now He HAS ALL AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH ( Matt. 28:18)which btw, requires omniscience, omnipresence and omnipotence. He is the Almighty God.(Rev. 1:8)
Now, what is the name of your translation?
You see, mist any Christian I know is proud to divulge that information or like myself, I use a half dozen.
If you are ashamed or refuse because it will reveal your religion, I'm féel sorry for you.
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I am in complete agreement with all the scriptures you present, just not all the translations. If you are ashamed or refuse because it will reveal your religion, I'm féel sorry for you.
Here are a few more references for you:
Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion… in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the triune name (Justin)…"
Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence… suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"
Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development."
Irenaeus (c. 202) in discussing Mark xiii. 32, says, "If any one inquire the reason wherefore the Father, communicating to the Son in all things, hath been declared by the Son to know alone the hour and the day, one could not find at present any [reason] more suitable or more becoming, or more free from danger, than this (for the Lord is the only true (yerax) Master), [that it is] in order that we may learn through him that the Father is over all things.
For the Father, he says, is greater than I. And so the Father is announced by our Lord to have the pre-eminence in regard to knowledge, for this purpose, that we also should leave perfect knowledge and such questions to God'' ('adv. Haer.' 11. 28. 8).
The interpretation of Origen (253) is free from all ambiguity though it needs to be guarded carefully. " I admit," he says " that there may be some who maintain that the Saviour is the most High God over all (ο μεγιστος επι πασι θεος) but we do not certainly hold such a view, who believe him when he said himself:
The Father who sent me is greater than I" (' c. Cels.' VIII. 14) ; and again : " Clearly we assert that the Son is not mightier than the Father, but inferior (ουκ ισχυροτερον αλλ υποδεεστερον). And this we say as we believe him when he said. The Father who sent me is greater than I"

(id, c.15. Comp. 'In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).
The language of Tertullian (f c. 220), like that of Origen, leaves no doubt as to the sense in which he understood the words. "The Father," he says, " is the whole substance (tota substantia), the Son is an outflow and portion of the whole (derivatio (c. 14) totius et portio), as he himself
declares:
because the Father is greater than I ... The very fact that the terms Father and Son are used shews a difference between them; for assuredly all things will be that which they are called, and will be called that which they will be ; and the different terms cannot be ever interchanged " (' c. Prax.' 9). c. 15. Comp. ' In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).
NOVATIAN (c. 250) is scarcely less bold in his mode of expression: " It is necessary that [the Father] have priority (aprior sit) as Father, since He who knows no origin must needs have precedence over (antecedat) him who has an origin. At the same time [the Son] must be less, since he knows that he is in Him as having an origin because he is born " ('De Trin.' l. 31.
The words quodammodo, aliquo pacto, found in the common texts are mere glosses).
Basil: Wherefore also the Lord said thus, My Father is greater than I, clearly inasmuch as He is Father (καθο πατηρ). Yea, what else does the word Father signify unless the being cause and origin of that which is begotten of Him? " ('c. Eunom.'I. 25. Comp. ' c. Eunom.' I. ao). This idea he expresses elsewhere more fully : "The Son is second in order (ταξει) to the Father, because he is from (απο) Him, and [second] in dignity (αξιωματι), because the Father is the "origin' and cause of His Being " (' c. Eunom.' III. i).
At first the Christian Faith was not Trinitarian. . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings. The Encyclopedia of Religion And Ethics
Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity. The Encyclopedia of Religion
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament. . . "is not. . . directly and immediately the word of God." The New Catholic Encyclopedia
There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a Trinity within the Godhead. . . Even to see in the Old Testament suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers. Jesuit Edmund Fortman The "Triune God"
Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament. The Encyclopedia of Religion The New Encyclopedia Britannica
The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology
To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it. Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins "Origin and Evolution of Religion"
Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord. Historian Arthur Weigall "The Paganism in Our Christianity"
‘Newton laid the blame for the rise of the pagan doctrines about demons in the Church at the door of his ecclesiastical nemesis Athanasius, whom he also saw as responsible for introducing Trinitarianism "Paradoxical questions concerning Athanasius",
According to most scholars, Newton was a monotheist who believed in biblical prophecies but was Antitrinitarian. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'. (British Journal for the History of Science) (Avery Cardinal Dulles. The Deist Minimum. January 2005.)
"No one can bring forth a son older than herself."
Cassian represents the Constantinoplitan patriarch (Nestorius) as teaching that Christ is a mere man (homo solitarius) who merited union with the Divinity as the reward of His Passion.
God alone was without beginning, unoriginate; the Son was originated, and once had not existed. For all that has origin must begin to be.
Such is the genuine doctrine of Arius. Using Greek terms, it denies that the Son is of one essence, nature, or substance with God; He is not consubstantial (homoousios) with the Father, and therefore not like Him, or equal in dignity, or co-eternal, or within the real sphere of Deity. The Logos which St. John exalts is an attribute, Reason, belonging to the Divine nature, not a person distinct from another, and therefore is a Son merely in figure of speech.
Arius maintains in his letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia, that the Son "is no part of the Ingenerate." Hence the Arian sectaries who reasoned logically were styled Anomoeans: they said that the Son was "unlike" the Father. And they defined God as simply the Unoriginate.
The man Jesus, said Paul of Samosata, was distinct from the Logos, and, in Milton's later language, by merit was made the Son of God. The Supreme is one in Person as in Essence.
Arius and his followers, the Arians, believed if the Son were equal to the Father, there would be more than one God.
Arianism regained momentum and survived until the reigns of Gratian and Theodosius, at which time, St. Ambrose set to work stamping it out.
(J. B. Lightfoot. The Apostolic Fathers—Part II. Vol. ii. Sec. I. pp. 90, et seqq.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born <G1080> of God: and every one that loveth him that begat <G1080> loveth him also that is begotten <G1080> of him.
"Religion and Politics at the Council at Nicaea," by Robert M. Grant. The Journal of Religion, Vol. 55, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 1-12
monotheism, that the Originative Principle is strictly and Personally One and one only (in contrast to the plurality), see Newman, Arians4, p. 112 note).
[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm]
[http://bible-researcher.com/comma.html]
Chapter VI.—After the Death of Procopius Valens constrains those who composed the Synod, and All Christians, to profess Arianism.
Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church (1947), page 58: "The trinitarian baptismal formula,,, was displacing the older baptism in the name of Christ."
The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1957), I, 435: "The New Testament knows only baptism in the name of Jesus… which still occurs even in the second and third centuries."
Encyclopedia Biblica (1899), I, 473: "It is natural to conclude that baptism was administered in the earliest times 'in the name of Jesus Christ,' or in that 'of the Lord Jesus.' This view is confirmed by the fact that the earliest forms of the baptismal confession appear to have been single-not triple, as was the later creed."
Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed. (1920), II 365: "The trinitarian formula and triune immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning… Baptism into the name of the Lord [was] the normal formula of the New Testament. In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage, declared it to be valid."
Cook, The Holy Bible (A.D.1611) p.213-214;
See: "Religion and Politics at the Council at Nicaea," by Robert M. Grant. The Journal of Religion, Vol. 55, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 1-12
Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion… in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the triune name (Justin)…"
Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence… suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"
Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development."
Irenaeus (c. 202) in discussing Mark xiii. 32, says, "If any one inquire the reason wherefore the Father, communicating to the Son in all things, hath been declared by the Son to know alone the hour and the day, one could not find at present any [reason] more suitable or more becoming, or more free from danger, than this (for the Lord is the only true {yerax) Master), [that it is] in order that we may learn through him that the Father is over all things.
For the Father, he says, is greater than I. And so the Father is announced by our Lord to have the pre-eminence in regard to knowledge, for this purpose, that we also should leave perfect knowledge and such questions to God'' ('adv. Haer.' 11. 28. 8).
The interpretation of Origen (253) is free from all ambiguity though it needs to be guarded carefully. " I admit," he says " that there may be some who maintain that the Saviour is the most High God over all (ο μεγιστος επι πασι θεος) but we do not certainly hold such a view, who believe him when he said himself:
The Father who sent me is greater than I" (' c. Cels.' VIII. 14) ; and again : " Clearly we assert that the Son is not mightier than the Father, but inferior (ουκ ισχυροτερον αλλ υποδεεστερον). And this we say as we believe him when he said. The Father who sent me is greater than I"
(id, c.15. Comp. 'In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).
 
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Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion… in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the triune name (Justin)…"
Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence… suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"
Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development."
Irenaeus (c. 202) in discussing Mark xiii. 32, says, "If any one inquire the reason wherefore the Father, communicating to the Son in all things, hath been declared by the Son to know alone the hour and the day, one could not find at present any [reason] more suitable or more becoming, or more free from danger, than this (for the Lord is the only true (yerax) Master), [that it is] in order that we may learn through him that the Father is over all things.
For the Father, he says, is greater than I. And so the Father is announced by our Lord to have the pre-eminence in regard to knowledge, for this purpose, that we also should leave perfect knowledge and such questions to God'' ('adv. Haer.' 11. 28. 8).
The interpretation of Origen (253) is free from all ambiguity though it needs to be guarded carefully. " I admit," he says " that there may be some who maintain that the Saviour is the most High God over all (ο μεγιστος επι πασι θεος) but we do not certainly hold such a view, who believe him when he said himself:
The Father who sent me is greater than I" (' c. Cels.' VIII. 14) ; and again : " Clearly we assert that the Son is not mightier than the Father, but inferior (ουκ ισχυροτερον αλλ υποδεεστερον). And this we say as we believe him when he said. The Father who sent me is greater than I"

(id, c.15. Comp. 'In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).
The language of Tertullian (f c. 220), like that of Origen, leaves no doubt as to the sense in which he understood the words. "The Father," he says, " is the whole substance (tota substantia), the Son is an outflow and portion of the whole (derivatio (c. 14) totius et portio), as he himself
declares:
because the Father is greater than I ... The very fact that the terms Father and Son are used shews a difference between them; for assuredly all things will be that which they are called, and will be called that which they will be ; and the different terms cannot be ever interchanged " (' c. Prax.' 9). c. 15. Comp. ' In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).
NOVATIAN (c. 250) is scarcely less bold in his mode of expression: " It is necessary that [the Father] have priority (aprior sit) as Father, since He who knows no origin must needs have precedence over (antecedat) him who has an origin. At the same time [the Son] must be less, since he knows that he is in Him as having an origin because he is born " ('De Trin.' l. 31.
The words quodammodo, aliquo pacto, found in the common texts are mere glosses).
Basil: Wherefore also the Lord said thus, My Father is greater than I, clearly inasmuch as He is Father (καθο πατηρ). Yea, what else does the word Father signify unless the being cause and origin of that which is begotten of Him? " ('c. Eunom.'I. 25. Comp. ' c. Eunom.' I. ao). This idea he expresses elsewhere more fully : "The Son is second in order (ταξει) to the Father, because he is from (απο) Him, and [second] in dignity (αξιωματι), because the Father is the "origin' and cause of His Being " (' c. Eunom.' III. i).
At first the Christian Faith was not Trinitarian. . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the New Testament and other early Christian writings. The Encyclopedia of Religion And Ethics
Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity. The Encyclopedia of Religion
The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament. . . "is not. . . directly and immediately the word of God." The New Catholic Encyclopedia
There is no evidence that any sacred writer even suspected the existence of a Trinity within the Godhead. . . Even to see in the Old Testament suggestions or foreshadowings or 'veiled signs' of the trinity of persons, is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers. Jesuit Edmund Fortman The "Triune God"
Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament. The Encyclopedia of Religion The New Encyclopedia Britannica
The New Testament does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology
To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it. Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins "Origin and Evolution of Religion"
Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord. Historian Arthur Weigall "The Paganism in Our Christianity"
‘Newton laid the blame for the rise of the pagan doctrines about demons in the Church at the door of his ecclesiastical nemesis Athanasius, whom he also saw as responsible for introducing Trinitarianism "Paradoxical questions concerning Athanasius",
According to most scholars, Newton was a monotheist who believed in biblical prophecies but was Antitrinitarian. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'. (British Journal for the History of Science) (Avery Cardinal Dulles. The Deist Minimum. January 2005.)
"No one can bring forth a son older than herself."
Cassian represents the Constantinoplitan patriarch (Nestorius) as teaching that Christ is a mere man (homo solitarius) who merited union with the Divinity as the reward of His Passion.
God alone was without beginning, unoriginate; the Son was originated, and once had not existed. For all that has origin must begin to be.
Such is the genuine doctrine of Arius. Using Greek terms, it denies that the Son is of one essence, nature, or substance with God; He is not consubstantial (homoousios) with the Father, and therefore not like Him, or equal in dignity, or co-eternal, or within the real sphere of Deity. The Logos which St. John exalts is an attribute, Reason, belonging to the Divine nature, not a person distinct from another, and therefore is a Son merely in figure of speech.
Arius maintains in his letter to Eusebius of Nicomedia, that the Son "is no part of the Ingenerate." Hence the Arian sectaries who reasoned logically were styled Anomoeans: they said that the Son was "unlike" the Father. And they defined God as simply the Unoriginate.
The man Jesus, said Paul of Samosata, was distinct from the Logos, and, in Milton's later language, by merit was made the Son of God. The Supreme is one in Person as in Essence.
Arius and his followers, the Arians, believed if the Son were equal to the Father, there would be more than one God.
Arianism regained momentum and survived until the reigns of Gratian and Theodosius, at which time, St. Ambrose set to work stamping it out.
(J. B. Lightfoot. The Apostolic Fathers—Part II. Vol. ii. Sec. I. pp. 90, et seqq.
1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born <G1080> of God: and every one that loveth him that begat <G1080> loveth him also that is begotten <G1080> of him.
"Religion and Politics at the Council at Nicaea," by Robert M. Grant. The Journal of Religion, Vol. 55, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 1-12
monotheism, that the Originative Principle is strictly and Personally One and one only (in contrast to the plurality), see Newman, Arians4, p. 112 note).
[http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01707c.htm]
[http://bible-researcher.com/comma.html]
Chapter VI.—After the Death of Procopius Valens constrains those who composed the Synod, and All Christians, to profess Arianism.
Williston Walker, A History of the Christian Church (1947), page 58: "The trinitarian baptismal formula,,, was displacing the older baptism in the name of Christ."
The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1957), I, 435: "The New Testament knows only baptism in the name of Jesus… which still occurs even in the second and third centuries."
Encyclopedia Biblica (1899), I, 473: "It is natural to conclude that baptism was administered in the earliest times 'in the name of Jesus Christ,' or in that 'of the Lord Jesus.' This view is confirmed by the fact that the earliest forms of the baptismal confession appear to have been single-not triple, as was the later creed."
Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th ed. (1920), II 365: "The trinitarian formula and triune immersion were not uniformly used from the beginning… Baptism into the name of the Lord [was] the normal formula of the New Testament. In the 3rd century baptism in the name of Christ was still so widespread that Pope Stephen, in opposition to Cyprian of Carthage, declared it to be valid."
Cook, The Holy Bible (A.D.1611) p.213-214;
See: "Religion and Politics at the Council at Nicaea," by Robert M. Grant. The Journal of Religion, Vol. 55, No. 1 (Jan., 1975), pp. 1-12
Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics (1951). II, 384, 389: "The formula used was "in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ" or some synonymous phrase; there is no evidence for the use of the triune name… The earliest form, represented in the Acts, was simple immersion… in water, the use of the name of the Lord, and the laying on of hands. To these were added, at various times and places which cannot be safely identified, (a) the triune name (Justin)…"
Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible (1962), I 351: "The evidence… suggests that baptism in early Christianity was administered, not in the threefold name, but 'in the name of Jesus Christ' or 'in the name of the Lord Jesus.'"
Otto Heick, A History of Christian Thought (1965), I, 53: "At first baptism was administered in the name of Jesus, but gradually in the name of the Triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Hasting's Dictionary of the Bible (1898). I, 241: "[One explanation is that] the original form of words was "into the name of Jesus Christ" or 'the Lord Jesus,' Baptism into the name of the Trinity was a later development."
Irenaeus (c. 202) in discussing Mark xiii. 32, says, "If any one inquire the reason wherefore the Father, communicating to the Son in all things, hath been declared by the Son to know alone the hour and the day, one could not find at present any [reason] more suitable or more becoming, or more free from danger, than this (for the Lord is the only true {yerax) Master), [that it is] in order that we may learn through him that the Father is over all things.
For the Father, he says, is greater than I. And so the Father is announced by our Lord to have the pre-eminence in regard to knowledge, for this purpose, that we also should leave perfect knowledge and such questions to God'' ('adv. Haer.' 11. 28. 8).
The interpretation of Origen (253) is free from all ambiguity though it needs to be guarded carefully. " I admit," he says " that there may be some who maintain that the Saviour is the most High God over all (ο μεγιστος επι πασι θεος) but we do not certainly hold such a view, who believe him when he said himself:
The Father who sent me is greater than I" (' c. Cels.' VIII. 14) ; and again : " Clearly we assert that the Son is not mightier than the Father, but inferior (ουκ ισχυροτερον αλλ υποδεεστερον). And this we say as we believe him when he said. The Father who sent me is greater than I"
(id, c.15. Comp. 'In Joh. T.' vi. 23 ; viii. 25).
Pages and pages of false doctrine. I don't accept it. You can though. I didn't get the name of your Bible version, its OK, its a secret. But wait, you referenced the NWT, on boy, are you a Jehovah Witness, going incognito, trying to hide and blend in? That you would even quote from a translation that is considered the only Bible translation distorted to conform to the JW belief system. So you are a non-Trinitarian, that's OK WITH me. But at least tell me you aren't a JW who believes Jesus is Michael and the Holy Spirit is a force.
 
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Pages and pages of false doctrine. I don't accept it. You can though. I didn't get the name of your Bible version, its OK, its a secret. But wait, you referenced the NWT, on boy, are you a Jehovah Witness, going incognito, trying to hide and blend in? That you would even quote from a translation that is considered the only Bible translation distorted to conform to the JW belief system. So you are a non-Trinitarian, that's OK WITH me. But at least tell me you aren't a JW who believes Jesus is Michael and the Holy Spirit is a force.
Do you know who Westcott and Hort are? I am not a JW nor is Jesus Michael. Those Holy Spirit is not a person, but eminates from God. I am a linguist and translator if you would look at my Avatar. Besides that my education includes Philosophy, Hebrew. Psychology at UCSD and MSSC. Greek is my linguistics secondary.
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Pages and pages of false doctrine. I don't accept it. You can though. I didn't get the name of your Bible version, its OK, its a secret. But wait, you referenced the NWT, on boy, are you a Jehovah Witness, going incognito, trying to hide and blend in? That you would even quote from a translation that is considered the only Bible translation distorted to conform to the JW belief system. So you are a non-Trinitarian, that's OK WITH me. But at least tell me you aren't a JW who believes Jesus is Michael and the Holy Spirit is a force.
Westcott and Hort, copied from my Book: The Greek New Testament, Fourth Edition, with dictionary, United Bible Societies, 2007- Arland, Karavidopoulos, Martini, Mtezger John 1:18 attached:
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Do you know who Westcott and Hort are? I am not a JW nor is Jesus Michael. Those Holy Spirit is not a person, but eminates from God. I am a linguist and translator if you would look at my Avatar. Besides that my education includes Philosophy, Hebrew. Psychology at UCSD and MSSC. Greek is my linguistics secondary.
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What a shame, all that effort and you have it wrong about the Trinity. At least you don't think Jesus is Michael or Satan's brother! Its OK, you are a believer in Jesus, your Lord and Savior, who died on the cross and rose on the 3rd day, right? Jesus will fill you in on the the stuff you have wrong and to be fair, what we all have wrong, when we arrive.
I'm just wondering about the issue about blaspheming the Holy Spirit being an unforgivable sin ... I mean if you don't think He is a person, wouldn't that be considered blasphemy? Wouldnt that be an insult? And I'm wondering if one could be baptized by the Holy Spirit, if you don't believe in Him? Did you pray for the Holy Spirit or God's emination? Of course, if you did not receive the Holy Spirit (Who is supposed to take residence in your temple)), that would explain the lack of discernment, since one must be born again, having the Spirit to spiritually discern scripture. You see, all that education is futile if you are not baptized by the Holy Spirit.
Does that sound like Greek to you? God Bless.
 
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