Does God love Satan?

AnticipateHisComing · Jan 22, 2018

People might think that if God loves sinners, he can love the tempter of sin. What God loves and rejoices in heaven is when the sinner comes back to God, repents of their sin and desires to try and sin not. Satan never desires to do what God desires. He is the father of lies.

Luke 15: 10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Next consider what is love to God. Love is not just a state of feeling, it is demonstrated with loving actions. The greatest loving action is Jesus dying for us and the grace that brought us in salvation. In fact scripture closely ties those two words, love and grace. So if you still think God loves Satan, can you show anytime that God has demonstrated love to Satan and his demons? What I see is God cursing Satan and his followers. I see God sending them to eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire. Jesus did not die to redeem Satan or his followers.

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord!

Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Do you think God only curses and gives no grace to those he loves?

Next consider the qualities of God. Some dwell only on God is love. But scripture also says God is just, righteous, gracious, holy, the light, does not tempt and is true. So if scripture teaches to hate what is evil how can God love Satan whose every quality is opposite of God. He is truly anti-Christ. To love Satan is to love what is only pure evil.

Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, a God who displays his wrath every day.

Psalm 50:6 And the heavens proclaim his righteousness, for he is a God of justice.

Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Daniel 9:9 The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him; 14 The Lord did not hesitate to bring the disaster on us, for the Lord our God is righteous in everything he does; yet we have not obeyed him.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you

Psalm 116:5 The Lord is gracious and righteous; our God is full of compassion.

2 Chronicles 30:9 If you return to the Lord, then your fellow Israelites and your children will be shown compassion by their captors and will return to this land, for the Lord your God is gracious and compassionate. He will not turn his face from you if you return to him.”

Psalm 99:9 Exalt the Lord our God and worship at his holy mountain, for the Lord our God is holy.

John 3:33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful.

Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Hebrews 6:18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.

Proverbs 30:5 “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

Lastly, if you are still not convinced, can you provide any scripture that says God loves Satan or imparts any mercy and grace to him?

Cat Loaf You · Jan 22, 2018

Jesus did not come to earth to die for angels , there is no sacrifice for thier sins so it does not matter if God loves them or not , they can't and won't be saved (talking about angels who lost thier first estate ) .

Matthew 25:41

Ron Gurley · Jan 22, 2018

God only forgives the sins of saved spirits. Lucifer / followers ain't!

The "Unholy 3" will eventually be spiritually separated eternally in the "lake of fire".

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Revelation 20:10
And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane · Jan 23, 2018

I personally think he does love lucifer. Remember lucifer was part of heaven's organization with God and the most beautiful creation ever, being the highest general there, the strongest being except God forever...lucifer would wish it otherwise really and he knows that God is the best of us. Was Michael or any of the other Angels going to miss him... Heck yes... They were great friends and I especially feel sorry for Michael to always go to lucifer for advice or just talk life in general once under the same banner but saw lucifer's choice to rule at hell's place and not have his friend there. True-lucifer thinks God's ways are weak teachings that he believes and wishes to no longer crawl in his skull but dude, lucifer just wants to rule all over for that is what smart beings do to add to that being's arsenal and especially for lucifer. If he was to be in charge of only what God allows him to which is the physical material of everything, I'd think he would submit happily to that to make the universe bigger from that. Now I know you want me to show you but I heard all these things from other Christians so no offense intended. Look I'm new to this. My personal experience from any of this was reading through the bible once without having much guidance through it which are great texts that could be dangerous or at the very least misguidance charged without the instruction from priests and all such personnel. Good adventure though.

ClementofA · Jan 23, 2018

I deemed it more appropriate to answer your post in the Controversial Theology forum, so created a thread there with my reply, titled "Satan Will Be Saved":

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/satan-will-be-saved.8046256/

brinny · Jan 23, 2018

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane said:
I personally think he does love lucifer. Remember lucifer was part of heaven's organization with God and the most beautiful creation ever, being the highest general there, the strongest being except God forever...lucifer would wish it otherwise really and he knows that God is the best of us. Was Michael or any of the other Angels going to miss him... Heck yes... They were great friends and I especially feel sorry for Michael to always go to lucifer for advice or just talk life in general once under the same banner but saw lucifer's choice to rule at hell's place and not have his friend there. True-lucifer thinks God's ways are weak teachings that he believes and wishes to no longer crawl in his skull but dude, lucifer just wants to rule all over for that is what smart beings do to add to that being's arsenal and especially for lucifer. If he was to be in charge of only what God allows him to which is the physical material of everything, I'd think he would submit happily to that to make the universe bigger from that. Now I know you want me to show you but I heard all these things from other Christians so no offense intended. Look I'm new to this. My personal experience from any of this was reading through the bible once without having much guidance through it which are great texts that could be dangerous or at the very least misguidance charged without the instruction from priests and all such personnel. Good adventure though.

Did Jesus the Christ, the only begotten Son of the living God, shed His blood and die on the cross for Satan? Is He Satan's Savior?

ToBeLoved · Jan 23, 2018

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane said:
I personally think he does love lucifer. Remember lucifer was part of heaven's organization with God and the most beautiful creation ever, being the highest general there, the strongest being except God forever...lucifer would wish it otherwise really and he knows that God is the best of us. Was Michael or any of the other Angels going to miss him... Heck yes... They were great friends and I especially feel sorry for Michael to always go to lucifer for advice or just talk life in general once under the same banner but saw lucifer's choice to rule at hell's place and not have his friend there. True-lucifer thinks God's ways are weak teachings that he believes and wishes to no longer crawl in his skull but dude, lucifer just wants to rule all over for that is what smart beings do to add to that being's arsenal and especially for lucifer. If he was to be in charge of only what God allows him to which is the physical material of everything, I'd think he would submit happily to that to make the universe bigger from that. Now I know you want me to show you but I heard all these things from other Christians so no offense intended. Look I'm new to this. My personal experience from any of this was reading through the bible once without having much guidance through it which are great texts that could be dangerous or at the very least misguidance charged without the instruction from priests and all such personnel. Good adventure though.

I would ask you think through a few things that I am writing based on your writing.

First, Satan destroyed the relationship God had with His initial creation of man (Adam) and woman (Eve). Adam and Eve walked WITH God in the garden before the fall. They were created to commune with God in paradise, not to be estranged/removed from God's presence because of sin. And now every person after is born into sin because of it. That is every single person who has ever lived on this earth has been estranged from God at one time or another because of sin.

How ever much you think God may love Lucifer, you should also acknowledge how much God loves His creation mankind. Satan forever destroying the communal bond between God and mankind is no little thing.

AnticipateHisComing · Jan 23, 2018

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane said:
I personally think he does love lucifer. Remember lucifer was part of heaven's organization with God and the most beautiful creation ever, being the highest general there, the strongest being except God forever...lucifer would wish it otherwise really and he knows that God is the best of us. Was Michael or any of the other Angels going to miss him... Heck yes... They were great friends and I especially feel sorry for Michael to always go to lucifer for advice or just talk life in general once under the same banner but saw lucifer's choice to rule at hell's place and not have his friend there. True-lucifer thinks God's ways are weak teachings that he believes and wishes to no longer crawl in his skull but dude, lucifer just wants to rule all over for that is what smart beings do to add to that being's arsenal and especially for lucifer. If he was to be in charge of only what God allows him to which is the physical material of everything, I'd think he would submit happily to that to make the universe bigger from that. Now I know you want me to show you but I heard all these things from other Christians so no offense intended.

This is why I asked for scripture to support the yes answer, to prevent hearsay from being a convincing argument. God's love results in his expression of love, grace. None of which is given to Satan. Somehow God has given him power and authority for a little while though. I don't consider this love, just part of his plan.

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane said:
My personal experience from any of this was reading through the bible once without having much guidance through it which are great texts that could be dangerous or at the very least misguidance charged without the instruction from priests and all such personnel. Good adventure though.

I will always encourage people to read the Bible to look for knowledge and insight. And it needs to be done more than once. I would not fret about it being dangerous, if a thought seems out of place, dig into it more. A priests has answers. Going to Bible classes is also good. Even Google can give many explanations on a text, just don't take one version as Gospel. Read many. Lastly, what I have found best is biblegateway. Just search scripture. There is enough repetition in core teachings that a good understanding can come from reading every text on a topic.

Lastly, as much as I argue doctrine, don't for a minute think that most of what is argued is required for salvation. The SOF to post here is quite simple and good enough to be called a Christian.

ToBeLoved · Jan 23, 2018

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane said:
Was Michael or any of the other Angels going to miss him... Heck yes... They were great friends and I especially feel sorry for Michael to always go to lucifer for advice or just talk life in general once under the same banner but saw lucifer's choice to rule at hell's place and not have his friend there. True-lucifer thinks God's ways are weak teachings that he believes and wishes to no longer crawl in his skull but dude, lucifer just wants to rule all over for that is what smart beings do to add to that being's arsenal and especially for lucifer. If he was to be in charge of only what God allows him to which is the physical material of everything, I'd think he would submit happily to that to make the universe bigger from that. Now I know you want me to show you but I heard all these things from other Christians so no offense intended. Look I'm new to this. My personal experience from any of this was reading through the bible once without having much guidance through it which are great texts that could be dangerous or at the very least misguidance charged without the instruction from priests and all such personnel. Good adventure though.

One thing I would think about is do you humanize (attribute human like emotions, understanding or feelings) to angels and/or God?

What we know is that we really do not know much about angels and a whole lot of text is not given to angels in the Bible. But we know that in heaven that time is not as we have time. God is not held within a realm of time and neither are angels. God says in the Bible that our lives here on earth are like a grain of sand on a beach in comparison to eternity. I've always liked this verse because it shows us just how short this time is here and in comparison, how God being outside of time does not see things as we human beings who live within the construct of time do.

My assumption is that the other angels were very saddened by Lucifer's rebellion because they knew there would be negative, very negative consequences, like getting kicked out of heaven and eventually getting thrown into the lake of fire.

I think the beauty of remaining in peace and love with God is much more important than any sadness they feel at loosing another angel.

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane · Jan 23, 2018

AnticipateHisComing said:
People might think that if God loves sinners, he can love the tempter of sin. What God loves and rejoices in heaven is when the sinner comes back to God, repents of their sin and desires to try and sin not. Satan never desires to do what God desires. He is the father of lies.

Luke 15: 10 In the same way, I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”

John 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Next consider what is love to God. Love is not just a state of feeling, it is demonstrated with loving actions. The greatest loving action is Jesus dying for us and the grace that brought us in salvation. In fact scripture closely ties those two words, love and grace. So if you still think God loves Satan, can you show anytime that God has demonstrated love to Satan and his demons? What I see is God cursing Satan and his followers. I see God sending them to eternal punishment in the Lake of Fire. Jesus did not die to redeem Satan or his followers.

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

1 Corinthians 16:22 If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord!
Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!
Do you think God only curses and gives no grace to those he loves?

Next consider the qualities of God. Some dwell only on God is love. But scripture also says God is just, righteous, gracious, holy, the light, does not tempt and is true. So if scripture teaches to hate what is evil how can God love Satan whose every quality is opposite of God. He is truly anti-Christ. To love Satan is to love what is only pure evil.

Psalm 7:11 God is a righteous judge, a God who displays his wrath every day.

Psalm 50:6 And the heavens proclaim his righteousness, for he is a God of justice.
Deuteronomy 4:24 For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.

Daniel 9:9 The Lord our God is merciful and forgiving, even though we have rebelled against him; 14 The Lord did not hesitate to bring the disaster on us, for the Lord our God is righteous in everything he does; yet we have not obeyed him.

2 Thessalonians 1:6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you

Psalm 116:5 The Lord is gracious and righteous; our God is full of compassion.

2 Chronicles 30:9 If you return to the Lord, then your fellow Israelites and your children will be shown compassion by their captors and will return to this land, for the Lord your God is gracious and compassionate. He will not turn his face from you if you return to him.”

Psalm 99:9 Exalt the Lord our God and worship at his holy mountain, for the Lord our God is holy.

John 3:33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful.

Titus 1:2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,

Hebrews 6:18 God did this so that, by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled to take hold of the hope set before us may be greatly encouraged.

Proverbs 30:5 “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

James 1:13 When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

1 John 4:8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Romans 12:9 Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.
Lastly, if you are still not convinced, can you provide any scripture that says God loves Satan or imparts any mercy and grace to him?

1 John 4:8 indeed... One can say things such as "I love you too God," over and over in their head to get rid of headaches and such because He knows all in each of our personal ways and quirks of how we work.

Ancient of Days · Jan 23, 2018

"First, Satan destroyed the relationship God had with His initial creation of man (Adam) and woman (Eve). Adam and Eve walked WITH God in the garden before the fall."

Satan didn't destroy that relationship, Eve and Adam did. It was their choice and theirs alone that caused the fall of man. At the end of the day Satan's part was irrelevant. It was about obeying God.

I do like the verse in Jude that gives us a glimpse:
"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."

I believe Lucifer was Michaels General at one time and Michael still gave him respect over this because of that.

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane · Jan 23, 2018

AnticipateHisComing said:
This is why I asked for scripture to support the yes answer, to prevent hearsay from being a convincing argument. God's love results in his expression of love, grace. None of which is given to Satan. Somehow God has given him power and authority for a little while though. I don't consider this love, just part of his plan.

I will always encourage people to read the Bible to look for knowledge and insight. And it needs to be done more than once. I would not fret about it being dangerous, if a thought seems out of place, dig into it more. A priests has answers. Going to Bible classes is also good. Even Google can give many explanations on a text, just don't take one version as Gospel. Read many. Lastly, what I have found best is biblegateway. Just search scripture. There is enough repetition in core teachings that a good understanding can come from reading every text on a topic.

Lastly, as much as I argue doctrine, don't for a minute think that most of what is argued is required for salvation. The SOF to post here is quite simple and good enough to be called a Christian.

To provide scripture on my point and remember I'm a bonafide newbie with the book but in Revelation 20:10 in my bible- it says- "And the devil, who decieved them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will tormented day and night for ever and ever." Did not God love his own son, lucifer? Does he not love all his creation? Or am I wrong in this too?

Ancient of Days · Jan 23, 2018

" Did not God love his own son, Lucifer?"

Gods son is Jesus Christ. Lucifer was the highest ranking angel before he sinned and God cast him out of heaven. Does God love Satan? We don't know for sure based on scripture. God does let Satan come before him still. Read Job.

ToBeLoved · Jan 23, 2018

Ancient of Days said:
"First, Satan destroyed the relationship God had with His initial creation of man (Adam) and woman (Eve). Adam and Eve walked WITH God in the garden before the fall."

Satan didn't destroy that relationship, Eve and Adam did. It was their choice and theirs alone that caused the fall of man. At the end of the day Satan's part was irrelevant. It was about obeying God.

Why did God curse the serpent than if Satan's part is irrelevant?

14 So the Lord God said to the serpent:

“Because you have done this,
You are cursed more than all cattle,
And more than every beast of the field;
On your belly you shall go,
And you shall eat dust
All the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

God evidently thought it was relevant enough to do it and put it in the Bible.

Ancient of Days · Jan 23, 2018

Job 1

6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.

11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.

12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

ToBeLoved · Jan 23, 2018

Ancient of Days said:
"First, Satan destroyed the relationship God had with His initial creation of man (Adam) and woman (Eve). Adam and Eve walked WITH God in the garden before the fall."

Satan didn't destroy that relationship, Eve and Adam did. It was their choice and theirs alone that caused the fall of man. At the end of the day Satan's part was irrelevant. It was about obeying God.

I do like the verse in Jude that gives us a glimpse:
"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."

I believe Lucifer was Michaels General at one time and Michael still gave him respect over this because of that.

So now God's angels are giving Satan respect.

I would counter that Michael used the power of God's name to rebuke him because Satan sinned primarily against God in the first place, not an angel.

ToBeLoved · Jan 23, 2018

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane said:
Did not God love his own son, lucifer? Does he not love all his creation? Or am I wrong in this too?

May I ask where you get the understanding that Lucifer was God's son?

God only claims one Only Begotten Son who is also God.

I've never read in the Bible where angels are given sonship by God

Ancient of Days · Jan 23, 2018

"So now God's angels are giving Satan respect."
That's what is said in that verse. "durst not bring against him a railing accusation"

ToBeLoved · Jan 23, 2018

Ancient of Days said:
"So now God's angels are giving Satan respect."
That's what is said in that verse. "durst not bring against him a railing accusation"

An accusation is to accuse of something.

Just because Michael chose not to accuse Satan of anything doesn't mean respect.

Drifter Kybe Scythe Kane · Jan 23, 2018

Well, all I can see is that when my time is done on earth and I do my dues to go to heaven I will access heaven's history library and get some answers. Once I get familiarized with where the history archives are by asking God where it is in heaven. I'm sure he has a angel in charge of being a chronicler to go over history and to heed such lessons of things. Just think how much stronger we'll get from such shelves. To not know our history lessons in the bible then are doomed to repeat it. To think how fast we'll improve as Christians from such books.

Does God love Satan?

Does God love Satan?

No, God curses him to eternal punishment.

Yes, please say how God shows his love/mercy/grace to him.

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