Daniel 9:24-25 Seventy Weeks, A Future Literal 490 Day Period

Truth7t7 said:

I dont believe Daniel 9:24 represents the cross of calvary, "everlasting righteousness" is a future event, at the second coming, when death is swallowed up in victory, in the eternal kingdom.

70 weeks are determined upon a people and city, nothing to do with fulfillment on the cross of calvary.

verses 25-27 in context are a pre-requisite of items that take place, before verse 24 is fulfilled. verses 25-27 contain the destruction of Jerusalem, Antichrist revealed, And Great Tribulation, these are future events, you believe they are fulfilled in 66-70AD.

We disagree.

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You're free to disagree with me all you want.

But if you're disagreeing with Christ and Paul, that's a rather different story. And their declarations regarding fulfillments are too plain to be misunderstood.

So you'll have to talk to the Holy Spirit about your disagreement.

My paraphrase of God’s answer to Daniel’s prayer is this: “Daniel, you are going home in a couple years like I promised Jeremiah you would. But this return to the land isn’t the one where I establish your people into their promised Kingdom. But, out of my great love for you, I’m going to tell you when that will happen.”

So the purpose of this passage, first and foremost, is to give Israel a timeline for the Kingdom. What's also amazing to me is that as they approached the Triumphal Entry, those few who were looking for it could be aware of the Messiah being 'cut off.'

Just another viewpoint!

Truth7t7 said:

Your post reflects the day/year teaching, Daniel 9:24 clearly stated "seventy weeks" 490 literal days, as this is clearly show in Daniel 10:2-3 Daniel mourned and fasted for "Thee Fiull Weeks" 21 literally days.

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Daniel's "mourning and fasting for a full three weeks" has nothing to do with the vision and the words of the angel ... in other words, the account of his fasting wasn't a prophecy so of course it was 21 literal days. It's only prophetic time to which one can apply the "day/year" calculation ... according to Scripture.

Truth7t7 said:

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Daniel 9:24 states seventy weeks, verses 25-27 explains these weeks, do you believe everlasting righteousness is brought in when the antichrist is revealed, where verse 27 ends?

No!

Douggg I believe to "anoint the most Holy" at the end of Daniel 9:24 is reflecting the beginning of the 42 month tribulation, as the Holy "two witnesses" will be anointed, starting their testimony. The two anointed Holy ones are seen in Zechariah 4:14

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You still have the issue of not staying within the 490 completion. It is 490 years, but you have interpreted 490 days - but go way beyond the 490 days because the 42 months of the beast's rule doesn't fit in.

Your interpretation is wrong about the days, and the confirmation of the covenant is not a peace treaty.

The 490 sabbath years end on the day Jesus returns, bringing everlasting righteousness as the King of Heaven is brought here to earth as the Kingdom of God. Anointing the most Holy is when the Jews welcome Jesus returning to this earth as her king. It is also in Psalms 2.

1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.

6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Begotten Jesus as King that day, placed him upon the throne in Jerusalem, the rightful King of Israel.

Truth7t7 said:

(The 70 weeks & 42 month tribulation explained.)

7 literal weeks to bring forth the announcement and planning to build the walls and street in Jerusalem.

62 weeks of building, as the building stops when the worlds armies surround Jerusalem.

70th week the antichrist is revealed, the sacrifice is stopped, peace covenant made.

The 42 month tribulation now starts, as the beast and "two witnesses" stand in Jerusalem before the world, as Moses and Aaron stood before Pharaoh of Egypt.

Hope that helps.

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Sorry, it does not make any sense. BAberans2 is correct. Nowhere in Daniel 9:24-27 God has prophesied for a third party, the antichrist, into the play. The 70 weeks is all about God's relationship with His People, Covenant Israel. How God will be cut off by His Own People, and confirmed a better covenant with many. Nothing to do with the evil person or his so-called 7 years peace treaty. That is man-made speculation based on how they forced Little horn, Beast, antichrist as "he" of 27 where God has not said! You ignored the context, man! Therefore, the "he" in verse 27 is the same person God talked about according to the context, who is the Messiah the Prince, HIMSELF! How He will save his people. The problem is that you are seeing the covenant as "evil thing" so you should add an "evil person" to confirm it and then throw in all kinds of theories with the numbers like 42 months, 7 days, 3-1/2 years to fit your doctrine instead of allowing Scripture to interpret itself.

Sorry, your private interpretation has been refuted by logic and biblical reasonings.

Truth7t7 said:

I dont believe Daniel 9:24 represents the cross of calvary, "everlasting righteousness" is a future event, at the second coming, when death is swallowed up in victory, in the eternal kingdom.

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Then obviously, you do not believe the Gospel of Christ. The Scripture is CLEAR and CONFIRMS Daniel 9:24 about Christ at the Cross.

The verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 also says the 70 weeks were determined, "to bring in everlasting righteousness." This is the effect of the work of Christ. When the sins are sealed up, and the reconciliation is made for iniquity, then everlasting righteousness is the result. Not a future event. For example, there is no chance those sins are going to be un-sealed or are going to return, for they were sealed in Christ who became sin for us, that we might be righteous in Him. He died with Israel's sins laid upon Him, and when He was risen, it was\ without them. Thus His people Israel were raised with Him, in righteousness! It already took place at the Cross. And that righteousness that Christ brought to them is eternal, because in Him they sin no more. This prophesied Messiah has made an end of it, making them righteous.

2nd Corinthians 5:20-21

• "..we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled in Christ.
• For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the Righteousness of God in Him."

The Messiah of Israel did bring in everlasting righteousness, and made reconciliation for iniquity, just as prophesied! Not future event! Else we are NOT saved, selah! And Because He has paid for ALL of their sins, His righteousness becomes their Righteousness. They are effectively clothed in the righteousness of Christ, and that righteousness brings everlasting Life (2nd cor. 9:9-10). John wrote:

John 6:40

• "..that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on Him, may have everlasting life:.."

Not future event! RIGHT NOW when one is born again and believe on Christ, they have everlasting life already even if they have not yet died in flesh. Therefore this is the everlasting righteousness that was prophesied to be brought in during these 70 weeks of daniel 9, when an end is made of sin, and reconciliation occured. No one has any righteousness of their own (there is none righteous, no not one -Romans 3:10), but they are made the righteousness of Christ by the power of His work. Christ ushered in the everlasting righteousness daniel refers to, and Israel attains that righteousness by their faith in Him as Messiah.

Philippians 3:9

• "And be found in Him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith."

The prophesy of daniel was that Messiah the Prince would bring in the everlasting righteousness for the people of Israel, BY FAITH, and therefore it was unquestionably fulfilled at the cross.

Period!

Your Daniel 9:24 intepreation with "future events" are NOT confirmed by Scripture. Else you should show us a chapter and verse that the everlasting righteousness will happen sometimes in a future event. And no.. not with your "when death is swallowed up in victory" nonsense. Christians are already born again with the first resurrection IN CHRIST which is an everlasting righteousness itself.

70 weeks are determined upon a people and city, nothing to do with fulfillment on the cross of calvary.

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Oh yes!

verses 25-27 in context are a prerequisite of items that take place, before verse 24 is fulfilled.

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You do not make any sense. All the items of verse 24 were fulfilled when Messiah the Prince was cut off (verse 26) and the covenant was confirmed by Him with many (Elect) with His Blood.

verses 25-27 contain the destruction of Jerusalem, Antichrist revealed, And Great Tribulation., these are future events unfulfilled to meet this prerequisite

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Nope. Daniel 9:24-27 is all about God (Messiah the Prince) and His People, Israel.

Verse 25 is about the coming and office of Messiah the Prince.

Verse 26 is about the Jews and the Old Testament congregation being destroyed and became desolate along with the death of Christ. But in three days...

Verse 27 is about the New Testament Gentiles Congregation that Christ REBUILT whomHe has confirmed a covenant with! The verse also predicted the apostasy and desolate of the church, just ilikethe Israel of Old (verse 26).

Possibly you believe they are fulfilled in 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem?

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I don't speak for BABearean2 here but I do realize that there are many people who believe that Daniel 9 has something to do with the destruction of physical City of Jerusalem in 70AD but that was not in view!

TribulationSigns said:

Sorry, it does not make any sense. BAberans2 is correct. Nowhere in Daniel 9:24-27 God called for a third party, the antichrist, into the play. The "he" in verse 27 is the same person God talked about according to the context, who is the Messiah the Prince! If you use the Antichrist, you will throw in all kinds of theories with the numbers like 42 months, 7 days, 3-1/2 years to fit your doctrine instead of allowing Scripture to interpret itself. Not private interpreation which you just did.

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If a person allows scripture to interpret itself, they would know that the prince who shall come is the little horn person in Daniel 8:9 to come to Israel and the middle east with a large army from the location of one of the four breakup kingdoms, north and west of Israel.

He comes from the people who destroyed the temple and city.

And if a person allows to scripture to interpret itself, they would know that Jesus rode into Jerusalem in John 12:13 hailed as the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord, it says in the text, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. Four days later, Jesus was cutoff from the land of the living, crucified.

TribulationSigns said:

The verse 24 of Daniel chapter 9 also says the 70 weeks were determined, "to bring in everlasting righteousness."

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The 70 weeks are determined on Daniel's people and Jerusalem - neither has yet to accept the gospel. One shmita cycle to go.

Truth7t7 said:

Daniel 9:24-25 clearly states "seventy weeks" if it was intended to be different, it would be written "four hundred and ninety years"

I'm fully aware of the weeks/years teaching, it's error.

Daniel 10:2-3 Daniel mourned and fasted for "Three Full Weeks" 21 literal days.

This "seventy weeks" 490 day period is future, and will start at Israel/Judaism's command to "Restore & Build" Jerusalem, that sees "Seven Weeks" 49 literal days of planning/preparation.

"Three Score and Two Weeks" or 434 literal days, will see the actual building take place, wall/street, in troubled time this will take place.

Armies will surround Jerusalem and will stop this building project, "Messiah Cut Off" as Israel/Judaism will be building for/unto their awaited upon, prophesied Messiah.

There will be a renewed sacrifice I believe, that the man of sin/Antichrist will stop. A covenant of peace will be made, and the sacrifice will stop, as the abomination takes place in the midst of this future final 70th week.

I believe this building project will be in relationship to a new temple, and the conflict will arise with the Muslim world protecting their mosque at the Dome of the rock, where Jews desire to build their temple currently.

I believe Micah 7 clearly shows this in a parallel teaching.

Verses 10-12 The world armies are gathered, Jerusalem trodden, the building is stopped.

Verses 14-16 The woman of Revelation 12:6 is fed in the wilderness as in the Exodus, manna from heaven, during the tribulation, as in the Exodus from Egypt.

I believe the future renewed animal sacrifice, in abomination to the shed blood of Jesus Christ is seen in Isaiah 66:3-4

That's what I believe scripture teaches of "Seventy Literal Weeks" as seen in Daniel 9:24-25

Keep an eye on Jerusalem, when the building starts, you know the world armies and "Man Of Sin/Antichrist" aren't far behind.

Jesus Christ Is Lord

Truth7t7

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By your logic Jesus can't be Messiah so why are you Christian to begin with ?
You need to rethink either your post or your faith .

Truth7t7 said:

as the abomination takes place in the midst of this future final 70th week.

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If Sunday is the first day of the week, and Saturday is the last day of the week, does this mean this will take place on a Wednesday then?

Douggg said:

One shmita cycle to go.

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Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.

Gal 4:11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

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Truth7t7 said:

The building will be stopped as armies surround Jerusalem, the Antichrist will be in Jerusalem for the 70th week, 490 literal daysfrom the command to build, to the covenant made, all taking place in Jerusalem.

Keep your eyes on Jerusalem, when the building plan is announced, "Restore and Build" Jerusalem, The Armies, and Antichrist aren't far behind.

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Thanks for sharing

Douggg said:

If a person allows scripture to interpret itself, they would know that the prince who shall come is the little horn person in Daniel 8:9 to come to Israel and the middle east with a large army from the location of one of the four breakup kingdoms, north and west of Israel.

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Say what? No where in Scripture that God defined the little horn as the prince or antichrist! It is your private interpretation. Not God.

God has defined the horn as power! God is talking about a short season of power. God never defined horn as a person! Selah!

He comes from the people who destroyed the temple and city.

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That is not what Daniel said. Can't you read Scripture?

Dan 9:26-27
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I do not see little horn coming from people of verse 26. God did not say that. He said that the people of the prince (per context, Christ!) shall come and destroy the city and the sanctuary, and it is the Jews, Christ's people, that who was talking about! Christ already told us here:

Joh 2:18-21
[18] Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
[20] Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
[21] But he spake of the temple of his body.

See? The "city and the sanctuary" is Christ's body that represents His people and His congregation. By putting Christ upon the Cross and have Him cut off, the Jews has effectively ended their kingdom representation of God's kingdom because of their rejection of the Messiah the Prince. Selah! Nothing to do with Titus. Nothing to do with Antichrist. Nothing to do with Little Horn. Nothing to do with the Beast. And you are wrong about Christ and His people, Israel. It is Israel what is qualified. It is not National Israel. It is Covenant Israel, starting with Christ's people, the Jews of the old testament, and then the Gentiles of the new testament. You need to pray to God for wisdom!

And if a person allows to scripture to interpret itself, they would know that Jesus rode into Jerusalem in John 12:13 hailed as the King of Israel, coming in the name of the Lord, it says in the text, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. Four days later, Jesus was cutoff from the land of the living, crucified.

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And...? Who were the same people who once hailed Christ. Weren't they Christ's people? "People of the Prince?" Yet they have turned against Him and put him to death! This is "people of the prince' that come against Him and "destroy the temple" (city and the sanctuary). Think about it... what happened to Christ and His Congregation of Israel in 3 days? Does this have to do anything with Titus of 70AD or your so-called future Antichrist? NOTHING!

Gee-whiz! Wake up and start studying the Scripture carefully and not be deceived by World News, Book of Josephus, your favorite televangelist, or YouTube Prophecy Lunatics.