The Bible has prophesied the cashless society

Another Lazarus said:

the devil was an annointed cherub in heaven.
it doesnt want a single mankind to inherit its previous place.
Ezekiel 28:14 "You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones. 15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you. 16 "By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones. 17 "Your u heart was 2 lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground....

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Ezekiel 28 is a prophecy against the ruler of Tyre, one of the most powerful of the Phoenician city states.

"The word of the LORD came to me: Mortal, say to the prince of Tyre, thus says the Lord GOD: ..." - Ezekiel 28:1-2

It has nothing to do with the devil.

-CryptoLutheran

Another Lazarus said:

A cashless society is made so people will have no choice to resist the mark of the beast, the devil outsmart you.

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And where does the Bible mention this cashless society?

-CryptoLutheran

Another Lazarus said:

Its no use to deny it man, it has already come.


Rev 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

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Well this has been a fruitful conversation. But I have a loose brick outside that I need to debate with now.

-CryptoLutheran

Another Lazarus said:

the ruler of Tyre was not a cherub who wanted to ascend high above the cloud to the Throne of God.

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Almost as though the biblical writers sometimes use colorful language and metaphors to make their point sometimes.

-CryptoLutheran

Original Happy Camper said:

The seal of GOD is spiritual. To be a true counterfeit the mark of Satan has to be spiritual not physical.

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Exactly. The mark of the cross made on our heads when we are baptised is not visible to us, but God can see it. It cannot be erased.

Another Lazarus said:

You can exist happily by barter but you will be forced to be chipped anyway.
Rev 13:16 He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

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Twaddle.

Another Lazarus said:

Its not me saying it, its the Bible, the words of God,
Rev 13:16 He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark .....

I understand your strong refusal anyway.

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You are not God, and your interpretation is not his.

Mistaking the two is far too close to blasphemy for comfort. Good luck with that.

One interesting theory is that the mark of the beast will be a computer chip, surgically implanted under the skin, by a totalitarian government wishing to take complete control over its citizens. In regards to receiving the mark in your "right hand or forehead," certain people may have been injured and lost their right hand or even their whole arm, so in that case, the mark would have to go in their forehead.

I can see the mark being something that is scanned (just as products in a store are scanned when you purchase them). Depending on how far along technology progresses by the time the mark of the beast is implemented, could be a computer chip or some type of infrared tattoo or something similar. Since tattoo's have become the new norm in society these days, many unbelievers may see getting an infrared invisible tattoo as something really cool.

Another Lazarus said:

Its no use to deny it man, it has already come.


Rev 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

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Oops, wrong hand.

Another Lazarus said:

Its no use to deny it man, it has already come.


Rev 13:17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

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So when I have to pay my mortgage in a few days, I'll just send this still picture instead and I'm sure they'll be very understanding.

Hieronymus said:

It was a real event in the year 3 BC (on our calendar).
It's off topic, but here's more about it:

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So, basically this interpretation hinges upon allowing for some level of astronomical (astrological?) reading of the star charts, then hitching this up to "the Woman" in Revelation 12, and supporting it with some esoteric interpretation of one or two of Paul's verses in Romans. Well, maybe there is something to this; BUT, maybe there isn't. I for one don't feel compelled to associate Revelation 12 with literal astronomical signs, although I could be wrong. Wasn't it this same kind of thinking that played into all that 'doom-ism' just this last September? Wasn't Jesus supposed to 'return' last September based on some of this same kind of esoteric thinking?

I'm more prone to seeing the woman in Revelation 12 as simply a Jewish style interpretive reference to the "Jewish faithful" who were living in and around the time of Christ's first advent. I definitely need more than JUST what Heiser might say on the interpretation in the video/podcast. I need to see some other significant Christian scholars also get on board with this interpretation for me to take it seriously (which means I'm still open to the possibility, but I need to see more academic substance in support of it ... )

2PhiloVoid said:

So, basically this interpretation hinges upon allowing for some level of astronomical (astrological?) reading of the star charts,

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Which was not far fetched in those days.
I mean, constellations have names etc. and this happened in a 80 minute window at that date.
"the heavens declare... "

then hitching this up to "the Woman" in Revelation 12, and supporting it with some esoteric interpretation of one or two of Paul's verses in Romans. Well, maybe there is something to this; BUT, maybe there isn't.

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It makes sense though.

I for one don't feel compelled to associate Revelation 12 with literal astronomical signs, although I could be wrong. Wasn't it this same kind of thinking that played into all that 'doom-ism' just this last September? Wasn't Jesus supposed to 'return' last September based on some of this same kind of esoteric thinking?

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Almost the same (but not exactly) thing was happening on sept 23 2017 with those constellations.
But there's no hint in Scripture to that event being significant in any way.
Of course people speculate and WANT it to be significant, and perhaps (according to some) it may have to do with the birth of the false messiah.
Future proves past, so we'll see. (or not).

I'm more prone to seeing the woman in Revelation 12 as simply a Jewish style interpretive reference to the "Jewish faithful" who were living in and around the time of Christ's first advent.

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I think it's BOTH.
It would be one of those things that evidence God's sovereignty, when the heavens indeed declare accurately.

I definitely need more than JUST what Heiser might say on the interpretation in the video/podcast. I need to see some other significant Christian scholars also get on board with this interpretation for me to take it seriously (which means I'm still open to the possibility, but I need to see more academic substance in support of it ... )

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Yeah, i can understand that.
Fact remains though that the constellations pictured the Revelation 12 passage in 3 BC on a specific day within an 80 minute window, which is at least intriguing and relevant to the cultures of that time.

Hieronymus said:

Which was not far fetched in those days.
I mean, constellations have names etc. and this happened in a 80 minute window at that date.
"the heavens declare... " It makes sense though.Almost the same (but not exactly) thing was happening on sept 23 2017 with those constellations.
But there's no hint in Scripture to that event being significant in any way.
Of course people speculate and WANT it to be significant, and perhaps (according to some) it may have to do with the birth of the false messiah.
Future proves past, so we'll see. (or not).I think it's BOTH.
It would be one of those things that evidence God's sovereignty, when the heavens indeed declare accurately.Yeah, i can understand that.
Fact remains though that the constellations pictured the Revelation 12 passage in 3 BC on a specific day within an 80 minute window, which is at least intriguing and relevant to the cultures of that time.

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...I guess.....................IF Heiser is right on this point (and for me at this moment that is a big 'if'), then it could reflect upon Matthew's narrative about the Magi. And that would be very interesting...IF it did.

Danthemailman said:

One interesting theory is that the mark of the beast will be a computer chip, surgically implanted under the skin, by a totalitarian government wishing to take complete control over its citizens. In regards to receiving the mark in your "right hand or forehead," certain people may have been injured and lost their right hand or even their whole arm, so in that case, the mark would have to go in their forehead.

I can see the mark being something that is scanned (just as products in a store are scanned when you purchase them). Depending on how far along technology progresses by the time the mark of the beast is implemented, could be a computer chip or some type of infrared tattoo or something similar. Since tattoo's have become the new norm in society these days, many unbelievers may see getting an infrared invisible tattoo as something really cool.

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Pure speculation. Total fantasy. Nothing Biblical about it at all.

= twaddle.

2PhiloVoid said:

...I guess.....................IF Heiser is right on this point (and for me at this moment that is a big 'if'), then it could reflect upon Matthew's narrative about the Magi. And that would be very interesting...IF it did.

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I wouldn't waste your time wondering. It is utter tosh.