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CherubRam said:

The Hellenistic Jews took over Jerusalem and the temple in 167 BC, and at that time they also changed the calendar to a Lunar type calendar. With the Biblical calendar, Passover was always the same day of the week.

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That is Hanukkah...the Greeks were fought AGAINST

HARK! said:

Matthew 12:40

New International Version
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

"Friday, the day he died, first day. (one night)
Saturday, the day he lay in the tomb, second day. (two nights)
Sunday, the day he rose, third day. (OOPS!)"

What do you struggle with more, math, or reading comprehension?

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Neither actually. I am very comfortable with both my own intelligence and level of education.

You are reading the verse too literally. "Three days and three nights" simply refers to three days. You need to deal with the reality that he died and was buried on Passover so that the Sabbath laws weren't violated, lay in the grave throughout Shabbat, and was resurrected early on Sunday. That is the story scripture tell. It jives with three days. It doesn't jive with a LITERAL three days and nights. That's where your error is.

CherubRam said:

The Hellenistic Jews took over Jerusalem and the temple in 167 BC, and at that time they also changed the calendar to a Lunar type calendar. With the Biblical calendar, Passover was always the same day of the week.

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Made up out of whole cloth.

Open Heart said:

Neither actually. I am very comfortable with both my own intelligence and level of education.

You are reading the verse too literally. "Three days and three nights" simply refers to three days. You need to deal with the reality that he died and was buried on Passover so that the Sabbath laws weren't violated, lay in the grave throughout Shabbat, and was resurrected early on Sunday. That is the story scripture tell. It jives with three days. It doesn't jive with a LITERAL three days and nights. That's where your error is.

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By saying three days and nights that defined the prophecy to be at least 72 hours.

CherubRam said:

Did people sacrifice the Passover lamb on the day of Unleavened Bread? Both verses are a contradiction to the rest of the bible.

2 Chronicles 35:1
Josiah celebrated the Passover to the Lord in Jerusalem, and the Passover lamb was slaughtered on the fourteenth day of the first month.

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You are trying to make things difficult. the Gospels are clear. "On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Matthew 26:17 That night, Passover, they had the big meal (Seder meal) and he was arrested and tried by the Sanhedron; the next day he was tried by Pilate, crucified, and buried. Day one. He lay in the tomb on the Sabbath, "resting." He rose early on the first day of the week. Day three.

CherubRam said:

By saying three days and nights that defined the prophecy to be at least 72 hours.

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Nonsense.

Open Heart said:

You are trying to make things difficult. the Gospels are clear. "On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do you want us to make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” Matthew 26:17 That night, Passover, they had the big meal (Seder meal) and he was arrested and tried by the Sanhedron; the next day he was tried by Pilate, crucified, and buried. Day one. He lay in the tomb on the Sabbath, "resting." He rose early on the first day of the week. Day three.

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I'm done talking with you. Bye!

HARK! said:

If you take that approach; why even bother to take days literally?

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If you count the days in the narrative, there are three of them.



Wow, just WOW!

1. Judaism 101: Pesach: Passover
   www.jewfaq.org/holidaya.htm
   Pesach, known in English as Passover, ... The first two days and last two days of the holiday (first and last in Israel) are days on which no work is permitted.

Funerals during Holidays? Funerals cannot be held on the Sabbath, Rosh Hashannah, Yom Kippur, or on the first and last days of the festivals (Pesach, Sukkot, Shavuot).

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Yes, for sure this is the way it is now. But obviously it was not this way during Second Temple Judaism. Judaism is not static like Christianity, but continues to be developed.

Sukkot, Shvuot, Pesach... These are technically called a Yom Tov -- something almost exactly like a Shabbat, but not quite the same. For example, on Pesach I can transfer a flame from one candle to a new candle, but I can't do that on Shabbat.

Finally, it is WELL worth noting that although Yeshua's body was laid inside a tomb, the burial rites were not done. This is why the women came to the grave site with spices on Sunday morning -- to begin the burial rituals.

To sum it up -- I believe that since the burial ceremony was put off until Sunday, and the only thing that was done was the transference of the Body to a tomb, that this did not break the burial taboo on a Yom Tov.

QUOTE="HARK!, post: 72247341, member: 403545"] [/QUOTE]

Don't you mean Feast of Tabernacles? So tell me how you used scripture to come to that conclusion?
BTW, that chart you posted is wrong, Buddha was born in May and Krishna was born in the summer. The other dates are spurious also. See this is why you cant always trust what you find on the internet...like your chart you posted

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

QUOTE="HARK!, post: 72247341, member: 403545"]

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Don't you mean Feast of Tabernacles? So tell me how you used scripture to come to that conclusion?
BTW, that chart you posted is wrong, Buddha was born in May and Krishna was born in the summer. The other dates are spurious also. See this is why you cant always trust what you find on the internet...like your chart you posted[/QUOTE]
None of those people are truly born on December 25th.

CherubRam said:

The 2004 Vernal Equinox was between the 19th and 20st of March.

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So what? What does that have to do with the price of Tea in China?

CherubRam said:

for which is the beginning of the weekly Sabbath and Passover, the 14th.

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No the 2 sabbaths did not fall on the same day.

Remember Acts 2? "When the day of Shavuot/Pentecost had fully come ...

That would mean that it had already come and went per the Pharisees, but not on the Sadducean calendar. That being true, the sabbaths during Unleavened bread could NOT possibly the same day.

CherubRam said:

Did people sacrifice the Passover lamb on the day of Unleavened Bread? Both verses are a contradiction to the rest of the bible.

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No. The lambs were sacrificed "at twilight" on the 14th Nissan. Lev 23.5
That literally says "between the dusks" which was an idiom meaning afternoon.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

That is Hanukkah...the Greeks were fought AGAINST

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The Maccabees fought against both the Greeks and the Hellenist Jews. The Maccabees won.

Dave-W said:

No. The lambs were sacrificed "at twilight" on the 14th Nissan. Lev 23.5
That literally says "between the dusks" which was an idiom meaning afternoon.

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Yes, I know.

Dave-W said:

No the 2 sabbaths did not fall on the same day.

Remember Acts 2? "When the day of Shavuot/Pentecost had fully come ...

That would mean that it had already come and went per the Pharisees, but not on the Sadducean calendar. That being true, the sabbaths during Unleavened bread could NOT possibly the same day.

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That time and that year the weekly Sabbath and Passover were on the same day.

CherubRam said:

None of those people are truly born on December 25th.

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that's what I said...