The Bible has prophesied the cashless society

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Pay serious attention to this
Rev 14:9 ....If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

And if your interpretation of this passage requires you to deny the Gospel then there's a problem.

I didn't stutter in my previous post.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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And if your interpretation of this passage requires you to deny the Gospel then there's a problem.

I'm not trying to ban you from receiving the mark, its God Himself who warns you.
Rev 14:9 If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.
 
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The Bible has prophesied there will come the time when people will be forced to .......

What utter tosh. Absolute balderdash.

For the vast majority of human history people have existed without 'cash', which is a distinctly modern phenomenon. Don't be fooled by talk of denarii in the Bible; most people would have never seen one, let alone used them every day; people existed very happily by barter; a bushel of my wheat for a basket of your fish. And why not?
 
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You're a bit too late to say that, its already out there and in use.
Once it becomes widely available, today's snowflakes will love it, they fall for every deception.

Cryptocurrencies are in the very early stage of adoption at this point. For a while they will give people near total freedom FROM the world economic system.

However, the antichrist will have supernatural intelligence. He will crack every encryption in an instant.
 
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I'm not trying to ban you from receiving the mark, its God Himself who warns you.
Rev 14:9 If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

Ok. So, if we don't want the Mark, then all we have to do is not "approve" of, and not become committed to, mankind's morally relative slide toward the worship of Mammon (bling), Polyamourous Sex (the hook up culture), Undue political Power (revolution), and/or Idolatry (pluralistic, relativistic materialism). Those who do this have the Mark of the Beast. Those who, on the other hand, bypass all of this to worship Jesus Christ as Lord in truth and love have, instead, the Mark of God and become a part of the body of Christ.

My problem with the a lot of the current trends in eschatology is that many people are looking for some mark to be offered as an electronic code, when in fact, the Mark has been offered by human governments as a form of cultural conditioning, particularly in the West, for centuries. And we're all just missing the reality that is front of our faces (probably because we are literally swimming in it). The point of it all is: don't seek to emulate the moral fall of King Solomon. But this is exactly what the world is doing, especially now ... and their theme song is, "Money makes the World go Around"!

[p.s.] ...and I wouldn't be holding this position of interpretation if I didn't have good reasons and hermeneutical methods by which to back it up.

Sure, modern governments may very well wish to add forms of technological gridlock to herd everyone more efficiently into the troughs of human sin, but let's not be looking for the Mark to come; it's already here and has been here for...a long, long time. o_O Electronic mandates will just be icing on the cake ...
 
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James Carville said "It is about the economy stupid" Referring to political campaigns

Referring to the mark of the beast the Bible says

IT IS ABOUT WORSHIP my people
Deuteronomy 8:19
And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the Lord thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.

Revelation 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Revelation 5:14
And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.
Revelation 7:11
And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
Revelation 9:20
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
Revelation 11:1
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
Revelation 11:16
And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Revelation 13:8
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:12
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Revelation 13:15
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Revelation 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Revelation 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 15:4
Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Revelation 16:2
And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
Revelation 19:4
And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.
Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Revelation 22:8
And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Revelation 22:9
Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
 
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Absolutely correct, the mark is the counterfeit of the seal of God.

Ep 1:13 ...When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,

Ep 4:30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The seal of GOD is spiritual. To be a true counterfeit the mark of Satan has to be spiritual not physical.
 
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The beast is the antichrist who will be given the unbelieving world in the grief tribulation.

Revelation 13:7 ..and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.


So let me understand this you do not know specifically who the beast is but you can be adamant that you know what his mark is?

That is amazing.

Example . House next door is empty and for sale yet I know and am adamant that the people who will buy it have five kids, three dogs and drive a 54 Studebaker.

I would be called a prophet or a deceived person by folks

Which are you? Guess we won't know till it happens.
 
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So let me understand this you do not know specifically who the beast is but you can be adamant that you know what his mark is?

That is amazing.

Example . House next door is empty and for sale yet I know and am adamant that the people who will buy it have five kids, three dogs and drive a 54 Studebaker.

I would be called a prophet or a deceived person by folks

Which are you? Guess we won't know till it happens.

Let's give him a break to some extent. I think he is genuinely wanting to warn people about something that he, as a fellow Christian, is concerned about. I can't fault him for that. He doesn't want people to go to perdition, but rather to find Jesus. ;) You and I just happen to see things a bit differently as to how this is all going to come out "in the wash."
 
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Let's give him a break to some extent. I think he is genuinely wanting to warn people about something that he, as a fellow Christian, is concerned about. I can't fault him for that. He doesn't want people to go to perdition, but rather to find Jesus. ;) You and I just happen to see things a bit differently as to how this is all going to come out "in the wash."

The bible says
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

My only point on any post in this forum is to point out false teachings and the issue of the mark of the beast being the chip is not supported in the Bible.
 
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The bible says
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

My only point on any post in this forum is to point out false teachings and the issue of the mark of the beast being the chip is not supported in the Bible.

That's fine with me, brother. But, we might also want to make sure that we aren't automatically assuming that we know all, or that just because we find that some of our brethren disagree with us means they are also false teachers or even false brethren. All of us who are Christians can be "free in Christ," but we could still be wrong about this or that biblical concept or doctrine.
 
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The devil doesnt even care whether you will live a healthy life with that chip or if you die of poisoning, the point is to forcibly mark the people.

That was not what I meant.

Like in Egypt, some saw miracles, others saw only plagues.
 
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Speaking as only the neighbor of the beast, America in particular has a long way to go before it's cashless but some nations like Sweden and the Netherlands are already 90% there. Are they going to be emisaries of Satan before America is or before Japan is? I note Japan because it's a particularly cash happy society relative to other nations.

The beast is very uneven in his distribution. It could be as big as a generation sized gap before some nations are as close as others.

Aye, Sweden is 90% there,
The latest passports have now electronic thumbprints, only a step away from
thumbprint payments.
There are advantages and disadvantages with
cashless society.
One disadvantage is increased unemployment,
there many unmanned petrolstations, no postoffices, banks are not what they used to be.
There will be no need for cashiers in stores.

I very, very seldom have cash,
one downside is you can lose your plastic card or have it stolen.
Therefore I think many would welcome a, for example thumbprint option.

Technology today is like a fast moving train,
moving faster and faster,
so I prefer to sit in the last carriage.
 
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I'm not trying to ban you from receiving the mark, its God Himself who warns you.
Rev 14:9 If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

This can apply to something different than cashless society,

If you do not think as us (forehead) and do as us (righthand) you will be isolated.
You will not be able to buy or sell.
Sanctions,
Force,
False accusations.

Mark of unrighteousness, even animals have an extra sense so they can sense it.

First,
"The fear and dread of you shall lie upon every beast of the earth."
Gen 9:2.
"A wild beast will never defy a human being unless he appears to it like an animal."
Sanhedrin 38b.

Even animals do not violate God,s will.

The animal soul clothed in a human body can rebel against God,s will.
 
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They started with children with "security" reasons.

And massive microchipping will begin in the Grief Tribulation, i read that cars will be sent to neighbourhoods for chipping citizen.

I'm selling tin foil hats and gloves for $99.95, but if you send me cash, I can protect your soul for only $80.
 
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The devil doesnt want even a single man to enter heaven because heaven was previously his place.

When did the devil own heaven?
Wasn't he just there with God who was still in charge and all the other hundreds of angels drones?
 
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I'm not trying to ban you from receiving the mark, its God Himself who warns you.
Rev 14:9 If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand 10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God.

Whooooosh.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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What utter tosh. Absolute balderdash.people existed very happily by barter;

You can exist happily by barter but you will be forced to be chipped anyway.
Rev 13:16 He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
 
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You can exist happily by barter but you will be forced to be chipped anyway.

You have thus far provided absolutely no reason that anyone should believe that the mark of the beast has anything to do with microchips or a "cashless" society.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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The devil doesnt want even a single man to enter heaven because heaven was previously his place.

Last I checked Scripture says the heavens are God's throne. Has that changed?

-CryptoLutheran
 
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