Christian Bakers and Gay Wedding Cakes
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The constitution protects bank robbers - specific to bank robbers woudl be the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th amendments
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Phillips testimony makes it clear his refusal of services had nothing to do with art or creativity
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So pretty much anyone can refuse to provide any service for a same sex reception—the chef, the makeup artist, the limo driver, the florist. The banquet hall can refuse to host the reception. We can discriminate against a whole class of people. And we can discriminate against interracial couples, mixed religion couples, etc.
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If I am providing a service, I'd bake the cake. Doesn't mean I endorse the wedding. I'm not an advocate of inter-religious marriages but if I were a baker, I'd still bake the cake as I'm being paid to do. Who one decides to marry, isn't my business.
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Do you believe that a baker ought to be financially ruined by the Law for having a different point of view on this than you?
Do you think that the baker is evil for believing that SSM is wrong, and that he does not want to take part in it in any way that goes against his conscience?
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Different points of view is not the issue, and you know that. Discrimination is the issue
No one has been financially ruined
Do you think gays are evil because they exist and for thinking they should be treated like everyone else?
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If the Conservatives on the Court carry the day it is probable that the Court will decide this narrowly on free speech grounds for the bakery.
What worries me is that the Conservative justices could use this case to redefine religious freedom in a way that we’ve never seen and change it from a hallowed personal protection into a tool of oppression.
What worries me is that the Conservative justices could use this case to redefine religious freedom in a way that we’ve never seen and change it from a hallowed personal protection into a tool of oppression.
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What about when the government passed laws that would force doctors to provide abortions if they work in government funded hospitals. The doctors are playing judge too> Judging their neighbors if they refuse to provide an abortion?
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What does abortion have to do with discussing public accommodations of gays?
It is easier to understand how performing an abortion could be seen as sinful, since it involves death as a direct outcome. In order for baking a cake for two gay people to be sinful, alot of other ordinary things Christians do would have to be sinful as well.
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Exactly. Both are a matter of conscience. Both prevent the Christian from participating in the economy. Abortion just flips it around a bit. A christian should understand how a cake with a distorted image of a sacramental sign on top might offend.
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But we don’t know what the gay couple would have requested on the cake. The baker turned them away before they could discuss design. For all we know they might have wanted flowers and butterflies.
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Marriage is not a sacrament in my church, it's a civil institution. A marriage is only sacramental (sanctifying) inasmuch as the two people are believers and exhibit the love of Christ for each other. Beyond that, it's merely a civil institution with no divine promises attached to it.
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You just agreed it's a sacrament and added that it is an institution of the state. To make a statement that reads like a denial but is not. Why do you defend peoples right to make a Christian create a perverted imitation of a sign of Christ's sanctifying grace?
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Well, if a same sex couple has a right to make the baker create for them, whether or not it imaged the couple on the cake, he would have to if they wanted. So what this couple would have decided isn't relavent.
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