JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

Open Heart · Jan 19, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello OH, nice to see you again my friend. Some comments for your consideration below.

Really? Where did you answer any of my posts and scriptures in them. You have only stated you disagree with them. This is not adressing anything as you have not responded to the scriptures, questions and content of the post sent to you. I am referring to post # 801; post # 817 and post # 818 If you have not responded to these posts and all the scriptures and questions in them how have you adressed them? Simply saying you do not agree with them does not adress the posts and the scriptures presented in them that disagree with you.

And your point here is?

And who is disagreeing this this? This is exactly what I have been sharing . Now you agree that this is the purpose of God's LAW (10 Commandments) in the New Testament that they give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is then you must agree that God's 4th Commandment is one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:8:11) and the NEW Testament teaches that if we break ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God in SIN.

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Yes indeed but the 10 Commandments were the ONLY LAWS that were made by GOD himself written with God's own finger on two tables of stone. God commanded to be kept separated from the book of Moses in the ARK of the Covenant and God's 10 Commandments were the ONLY LAWS that were spoken by God himself to ALL of his people.

As you have rightly pointed out God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27) just like all of the other 10 Commandments if we KNOWINGLY break anyone of them we comit SIN. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

1. This is your LAST CHANCE to reply to my point about ALL 613 commandments being subject to the "do not add or subtract from these." I even provided you with the two verses IN CONTEXT so that there was no question about it. If you don't reply to this directly in your NEXT POST, I will not reply to you.

2. When *I* say the LAW, I am referring to all 613. Don't make the mistake of assuming I mean the 10.

3. The laws of the Torah were given to Israel, not the world. Humanity does have its own universal laws. These universal laws are contained in the Torah, but the Torah has extra laws that are not binding on all of humanity. Keeping the Sabbath, because it recalls God bringing Israel out of Egypt, is one of those laws which is for Israel only. (It certainly doesn't hurt for a Gentile to keep this law out of love -- indeed I believe you will be blessed for doing so. I just am saying there is no obligation, it will not give you salvation.)

4. Remember that although God wrote the first draft on the tablets, it was Moses who wrote the second draft, which is the 10 commandments. We assume it is the same, but really we don't know for sure.

5. God dictated the rest of the 613 -- he SPOKE THEM. They are every bit as much God's laws as the 10. Moses' laws are the Oral Torah, the case law that built up when Moses and the elders ruled on practical applications of the law.

klutedavid · Jan 19, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Hello Friend so nice to meet you.

It is not my theology it is God's Word and there is no obsticle at all. The Old Testament bears witness to the NEW Testament. Together theses are the two great witnesses that agree together. Please if you disagree please adress the OP that disagrees with you and state your case from God's Word. If you cannot we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.

God's 10 commandments repeated in the New Testament

1 You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)

2 You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)

3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
(1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)

6 You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)

7 You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)

8 You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)

9 You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)

10 You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

There is a lot of scriptures here and we have not even looked at all the scriptures in the NT on the 10 commandments on which the 4th commandment is one of the ten.

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The purpose of God's LAW is to give us a knowledge of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God's LAW (10 commandments) is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). Jesus came not to abolish the law, but to fulfil it ( Matt 5:17-20 ). The law is the embodiment of truth that instructs ( Rom 2:18-19 ). It is "holy" and "spiritual, " making sin known to us by defining it; therefore, Paul delights in it ( Romans 7:7-14 Romans 7:22 ). The law is good if used properly ( 1 Tim 1:8 ), and is not opposed to the promises of God ( Gal 3:21 ). Faith does not make the law void, but the Christian establishes the law ( Rom 3:31 ), fulfilling its requirements by walking according to the Spirit ( Rom 8:4 ) through love ( Rom 13:10 ).

You cannot know the power of God or the Gospel of Grace without the 10 commandments. If there is NO LAW then you do not know what SIN is (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). If you do not know what SIN is you have NO need of a Savior. If you have NO need of a Savior you have NO Salvation. If you have NO Salvation you are LOST because it is written.

Romans 2
12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Who will you follow?

Where is sorcery, drunkenness, gambling and gluttony?

Are these not sins?

Open Heart · Jan 19, 2018

klutedavid said:
Where is sorcery, drunkenness, gambling and gluttony?

Are these not sins?

Not to mention incest, homosexuality, and inappropriate behavior with animals.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 19, 2018

Open Heart said:
1. This is your LAST CHANCE to reply to my point about ALL 613 commandments being subject to the "do not add or subtract from these." I even provided you with the two verses IN CONTEXT so that there was no question about it. If you don't reply to this directly in your NEXT POST, I will not reply to you.

Why do I need a last chance for? You have not responded to any of my posts to you. You have only stated you disagree with them. This is not adressing anything as you have not responded to the scriptures, questions and content of the post sent to you. I am referring to post # 801; post # 817; post # 818 and now post # 820. If you have not responded to these posts and all the scriptures and questions in them how have you adressed them? Simply saying you do not agree with them does not adress the posts and the scriptures presented in them that disagree with you. How can we have a discussion if you do not respond to my posts?

Open Heart said:
2. When *I* say the LAW, I am referring to all 613. Don't make the mistake of assuming I mean the 10.

Already adressed in the early posts linked above that you have not responded to.

Open Heart said:
3. The laws of the Torah were given to Israel, not the world. Humanity does have its own universal laws. These universal laws are contained in the Torah, but the Torah has extra laws that are not binding on all of humanity. Keeping the Sabbath, because it recalls God bringing Israel out of Egypt, is one of those laws which is for Israel only. (It certainly doesn't hurt for a Gentile to keep this law out of love -- indeed I believe you will be blessed for doing so. I just am saying there is no obligation, it will not give you salvation.)

Who is Israel in the NEW COVENANT?

Let's look at the scriptures.......

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel.........

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29,
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29,
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
My friend it is time to leave Sunday School and believe the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us out to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

Open Heart said:
4. Remember that although God wrote the first draft on the tablets, it was Moses who wrote the second draft, which is the 10 commandments. We assume it is the same, but really we don't know for sure.

Well that is not true at all. It was God that also write the second set of the 10 Commandments on two tables of stone....

Deuteronomy 10
1, At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
2, And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
3, And I made an ark of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.
4, And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
5, And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.

Open Heart said:
5. God dictated the rest of the 613 -- he SPOKE THEM. They are every bit as much God's laws as the 10. Moses' laws are the Oral Torah, the case law that built up when Moses and the elders ruled on practical applications of the law.

I never disagreed with you in relation to this did I and stated this from the very first post liked above that you have still not responded to?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27) just like all of the other 10 Commandments if we KNOWINGLY break anyone of them we comit SIN.

It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

klutedavid · Jan 19, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
What do I need a last chance for? You have not responded to any of my posts to you. You have only stated you disagree with them. This is not adressing anything as you have not responded to the scriptures, questions and content of the post sent to you. I am referring to post # 801; post # 817; post # 818 and now post # 820. If you have not responded to these posts and all the scriptures and questions in them how have you adressed them? Simply saying you do not agree with them does not adress the posts and the scriptures presented in them that disagree with you. How can we have a discussion if you do not respond to my posts?

Already adressed in the early posts linked above that you have not responded to.

Who is Israel in the NEW COVENANT?

Let's look at the scriptures.......

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel.........

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29,
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29,
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)
My friend it is time to leave Sunday School and believe the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us out to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

Well that is not true at all. It was God that also write the second set of the 10 Commandments on two tables of stone....

Deuteronomy 10
1, At that time the LORD said unto me, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first, and come up unto me into the mount, and make thee an ark of wood.
2, And I will write on the tables the words that were in the first tables which thou brakest, and thou shalt put them in the ark.
3, And I made an ark of [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]tim wood, and hewed two tables of stone like unto the first, and went up into the mount, having the two tables in mine hand.
4, And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments, which the LORD spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and the LORD gave them unto me.
5, And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they be, as the LORD commanded me.

I never disagreed with you in relation to this did I and stated this from the very first post liked above that you have still not responded to?

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27) just like all of the other 10 Commandments if we KNOWINGLY break anyone of them we comit SIN.

It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

Sin is not just breaking the written law, it includes everything the prophets identified as sin.

Drunkenness and gluttony, the two most popular sins on the planet, are only found in the prophets. Focusing just on the ten commandments leaves you wide open, to committing continual sin during your lifetime.

There is a long list of serious sins that the law never mentions.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 19, 2018

klutedavid said:
Sin is not just breaking the written law, it includes everything the prophets identified as sin.

Drunkenness and gluttony, the two most popular sins on the planet, are only found in the prophets. Focusing just on the ten commandments leaves you wide open, to committing continual sin during your lifetime.

There is a long list of serious sins that the law never mentions.

Yep everything is summarised in the 10 Commandments and as the scriptures say to him that knows to do good and does not do it to him it is SIN. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom..

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27) just like all of the other 10 Commandments if we KNOWINGLY break anyone of them we comit SIN.

klutedavid · Jan 19, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Yep everything is summarised in the 10 Commandments and as the scriptures say to him that knows to do good and does not do it to him it is SIN. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom..

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27) just like all of the other 10 Commandments if we KNOWINGLY break anyone of them we comit SIN.

Hello LGW.

Where in the scripture does it say that sin, is summarized in the ten commandments?

LoveGodsWord · Jan 19, 2018

klutedavid said:
Hello LGW. Where in the scripture does it say that sin, is summarized in the ten commandments?

Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 3
19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Hope this helps....

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

klutedavid · Jan 19, 2018

Hope i find gluttony and drunkenness mentioned in the ten commandments?

Romans 7
7,

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What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 3
19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

James 2
8, If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

1 John 3
4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Hope this helps....

No mention of drunkenness and gluttony, just lots of verses quoted out of context.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Only the Jews under the law would be guilty of breaking the sabbath. Gentiles were never under the law.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to REPENT for the KINGDOM of HEAVEN is at HAND (Acts 17:30-31)

The gospel that was preached is the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Not much use repenting of anything when you don't believe in Jesus Christ.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

More correctly, we celebrate the death and resurrection of the Christ on the first day.
We break bread on that day in memory of Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with a day of rest.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

You must believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to be saved.

Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved.

God writes love on the hearts of those whom He loves, God does not write the letter of the law on your heart.

ralliann · Jan 19, 2018

Walter and Deborah said:
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Matthew 5:17

You do understand the promises made to Abraham in Christ are God's law.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?
22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

Our heavenly citizenship secured in Christ establishes the law. Because the goal of the law is the fulfillment of the Abrahamic promises.
Luke 1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
51 He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree.
53 He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy;
55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

You do understand that the Sinai covenant is not the covenant by which the redemption was promised, or achieved? therefore Passover and unleavened bread are feasts given for memorials of the fulfillment of the covenant promises made 430 years earlier, to Abraham?

Ex 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.
Ex 6:4 And I have also established my covenant with them, to give them the land of Canaan, the land of their pilgrimage, wherein they were strangers.
Ex 6:5 And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.

And this scripture (teaching from Moses) is quite clear.

De 9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Ps 105:42 For he remembered his holy promise, and Abraham his servant.

As for your comment concerning the least in heaven????
Lu 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

LoveGodsWord · Jan 20, 2018

klutedavid said:
Hope i find gluttony and drunkenness mentioned in the ten commandments? No mention of drunkenness and gluttony, just lots of verses quoted out of context.

Why? Are you changing your question now? Your question was......

Hello LGW. Where in the scripture does it say that sin, is summarized in the ten commandments?

Your question was answered with scripture.

klutedavid said:
Only the Jews under the law would be guilty of breaking the sabbath. Gentiles were never under the law.

That is not true. If you have committed SIN you stand guilty before God convicted by the LAW as a sinner as it is written.

Romans 3
19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

There is no such thing as Gentiles and Jews in the NEW COVENANT. God's Israel in the NEW COVENANT are those who BELIEVE God's WORD and FOLLOW it because it is written....

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He says not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, AND TO YOUR SEED, WHICH IS CHRIST (Galatians 3:16)

Abraham’s seed is Israel.........

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29,
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29,
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent God’s followers the believers. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

My friend it is time to leave Sunday School and believe the Word of God. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us out to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

klutedavid said:
The gospel that was preached is the death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. Not much use repenting of anything when you don't believe in Jesus Christ. More correctly, we celebrate the death and resurrection of the Christ on the first day.We break bread on that day in memory of Jesus Christ. This has nothing to do with a day of rest. You must believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ to be saved. Anyone who calls on the name of Jesus Christ will be saved. God writes love on the hearts of those whom He loves, God does not write the letter of the law on your heart.

Well yes and no my freind the Gospel is Jesus and Jesus is the Word of God. We are to live by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the MOUTH OF GOD. The Word of God (Jesus) is the Gospel and the Goon news of salvation to those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW then you are not a part of God's ISRAEL and still in your SINS. It is SIN that will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30-31). God's Word says if we break one of the ten we stand guilty before God of breaking all the commandments of God (James 2:8-12). God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

LoveGodsWord · Feb 5, 2018

SOME QUESTIONS ON THE SABBATH FOR YOUR PRAYERFUL CONSIDERATION

Where is the scripture in God's WORD that says...........

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

If you cannot answer any of the above, who should we obey God or man? Something to seriously pray about my friend.

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE...

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 13, 2018

There is not one scripture in God's Word that says God's 4th commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.

LoveGodsWord · Feb 24, 2018

SIN WILL KEEP YOU OUT OF GOD’S KINGDOM

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:8-12). Those wos CONTINUE IN SIN do not KNOW him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE another.

Many will come to him on that day saying; Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (iniquity) (Matthew 7:21-23)

They had a form of Godliness but denied God's power of salvation from SIN (1 Tim 3:1-5) and did not KNOW him

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Elder 111 · Feb 24, 2018

Open Heart said:
1. This is your LAST CHANCE to reply to my point about ALL 613 commandments being subject to the "do not add or subtract from these." I even provided you with the two verses IN CONTEXT so that there was no question about it. If you don't reply to this directly in your NEXT POST, I will not reply to you.

Open Heart said:

2. When *I* say the LAW, I am referring to all 613. Don't make the mistake of assuming I mean the 10.

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Hello "Open Heart" a pleasant day to you.
Forgive me for jumping in but I wanted to make my contribution here.
I never saw Jesus proposing 613 laws nor have I seen them listed in scripture for us to keep.

Open Heart said:

3. The laws of the Torah were given to Israel, not the world. Humanity does have its own universal laws. These universal laws are contained in the Torah, but the Torah has extra laws that are not binding on all of humanity. Keeping the Sabbath, because it recalls God bringing Israel out of Egypt, is one of those laws which is for Israel only. (It certainly doesn't hurt for a Gentile to keep this law out of love -- indeed I believe you will be blessed for doing so. I just am saying there is no obligation, it will not give you salvation.)

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There is no scripture that says that the 613 parts of law that you refer to is equal to the 10 commandments, or should be held as the same.

Open Heart said:

4. Remember that although God wrote the first draft on the tablets, it was Moses who wrote the second draft, which is the 10 commandments. We assume it is the same, but really we don't know for sure.

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God rewrote the ten commandments both times not Moses. (Deut. 10:1-4). God himself treated the ten commandments specially, how can we do differently? If we cannot trust that one part of God's word is as He would have it how can we trust any at all?

Open Heart said:

5. God dictated the rest of the 613 -- he SPOKE THEM. They are every bit as much God's laws as the 10. Moses' laws are the Oral Torah, the case law that built up when Moses and the elders ruled on practical applications of the law.

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Bob S · Mar 13, 2018

Hi Elder, Just to let you know the Jews consider all of the commands that God gave to Israel at Sinai as being "the Law". Jesus said that He kept His Father's commands, that would mean that He was observant to the feast days, new moon days, wearing tassels and all the other requirements God placed on the people.

So, when you quote Old Testament requirements as being binding on New Testament Christians you are telling us that we have to observe the 613 laws of the Old Testament. That verse in Isa was speaking to those under the Law. I am not under the law. My posterity on one side of my family was never under the Law. Why would you even think to add such a verse? Have you read Gal 3 and taken it to heart?

klutedavid · Mar 13, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
SIN WILL KEEP YOU OUT OF GOD’S KINGDOM

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; 3:20; James 2:8-12). Those wos CONTINUE IN SIN do not KNOW him who calls them in LOVE to LOVE another.

Many will come to him on that day saying; Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (iniquity) (Matthew 7:21-23)

They had a form of Godliness but denied God's power of salvation from SIN (1 Tim 3:1-5) and did not KNOW him

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 John 2
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3
3, And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9, Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

Revelation 12
17, And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

Revelation 14
12, Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

Revelation 22
14, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hello LGW.

There was a mistake in your reference.

They had a form of Godliness but denied God's power of salvation from SIN (1 Tim 3:1-5) and did not KNOW him

The verse your referring to is in the next letter.

2 Timothy 3:5
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

Note also, the verse does not say, 'denied God's power of salvation'. The verse just says, 'they have denied its power'.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 13, 2018

Bob S said:
Hi Elder, Just to let you know the Jews consider all of the commands that God gave to Israel at Sinai as being "the Law". Jesus said that He kept His Father's commands, that would mean that He was observant to the feast days, new moon days, wearing tassels and all the other requirements God placed on the people.

So, when you quote Old Testament requirements as being binding on New Testament Christians you are telling us that we have to observe the 613 laws of the Old Testament. That verse in Isa was speaking to those under the Law. I am not under the law. My posterity on one side of my family was never under the Law. Why would you even think to add such a verse? Have you read Gal 3 and taken it to heart?

Not really your post shows a lack of understanding of the OLD and NEW COVENENT and the purpose of the laws that make up both. There is only 10 Commandments in the 10 Commandments not 613 and God Commanded the 10 Commandments to be separated from the Mosaic book of the Covenant for a reason.

SIN is the transgression or breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God's Sheep hear his Voice.

LoveGodsWord · Mar 13, 2018

klutedavid said:
Hello LGW.

There was a mistake in your reference. The verse your referring to is in the next letter.

2 Timothy 3:5
holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

Hi David, thanks typo.

Bob S · Mar 13, 2018

Guess what, no one has written that there are 613 commands in the 10 commandments. Those who imply or put a 10 in front of the following verses about keeping God's commands are adding to scripture. A 10 just ain't there. (Romans 7:7; James 2:8-12; 1 John 3:4)

The 10 commandments were written in the book of the law along with the remaining 603 commands. When Jesus referred to the Law he was referring to all 613 laws God gave to Israel and Israel alone.
Jesus celebrated Passover. Passover was not part of the 10 commands. Jesus was Law observant, all of the Law. Anyone who tries to separate the Sinai Law and tells you that the 603 commands from the book of the law were not part of the covenant given to Israel shows a lack of understanding. The most important commands given in the old covenant are the ones to love God and our fellow man and guess what, those commands are found in the part that Moses dictated from God not in the transitory 10 commands. 2Cor3:7-11

The old covenant with its Sabbath law was given to Israel as the way they were to live in the desert and eventually in Canaan. In Ex 19:5-6 God told moses the following:
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

God did not tell Moses the covenant was about Israel's salvation as you can plainly see. Salvation was as it always had been and always will be, by faith. There was no law in all of the 613 commands that could save even one soul, yet somehow one Sabbath keeping church makes keeping Sabbath a salvational issue. How did that happen and why did it happen?

The writer above tells us and I quote "There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day."

That is truly a straw man argument. Of course there is no command to keep Sunday holy and the word abolished is not used to describe the fourth commandment. That does not mean that there isn't any verses in scripture that abolishes the old covenant, for Israel only, 10 commandments with its fourth command. Paul tells us the law ended with the coming of Jesus Gal3:19. Was the Sabbath part of the Law??? Paul wrote in 2Cor3:7-11 the following about the 10 commandments which the Sabbath was the fourth one: 7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

Plain as the nose on my face. The 10 were (past tense) glorious, but they were transitory (temporary), temporary because Israel broke the covenant which contained the Sabbath command. A broken covenant is not a binding covenant. It ceases to be a covenant. the old covenant is now a historical fact.

In the above passage Paul indicates that the 10 commands have been replaced with the Holy Spirit. The 10 were the guide for the nation of Israel. The Holy Spirit is the guide for Christianity. Again, as plain as the nose on my face. Yep, I have a big snoz, you cannot miss it, just like you cannot miss the facts of 2Cor 3:7-11. I pray this helps all to see the truth.

JESUS and the APOSTLES OBEYED GOD'S LAW and the SABBATH!

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