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If the real Jesus were your pastor, would you leave that church?
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Another Lazarus
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We have the Holy Spirit to replace Jesus to guide us already. If we wish the real Jesus is at our church, we fail to understand and fail to walk in Holy Spirit.
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Interesting and very dangerous thought.
The Holy Spirit was sent to lead us into all Truth, I agree. But Who is all Truth, in person? Jesus said "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to The Father except thru Me." Scripture says Jesus is the Head of the Church, doesn't it? We are His body, not the Holy Spirit's body. When the Book of Revelation was given to John, it came through the Holy Spirit; but Who is speaking to the 7 churches in Rev 2 & 3--after the Holy Spirit was given? Who is the One who says "He who overcomes, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but will confess his name before My Father, and before His angels? That isn't the Holy Spirit. Based on the Word of God, given by the Holy Spirit of God, you might want to reconsider your statement.
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My response here is my honest opinion, pls nobody take it as an attack. Apologize in advance if anyone feels that way.
If the real Jesus was our pastor:
Most of us would leave church (perhaps, including myself!). I DOUBT that anyone would even recognize Jesus! Has anyone read Jesus lately in the Gospels?
Jesus is utterly nothing like Apostle Paul or Apostle Peter whom the entire Christian religion is trying to emulate...
Sorry for my response but read the Gospels, read the Gospel of John in particular. Almost no Christian know who Jesus really is.
If the real Jesus was our pastor:
Most of us would leave church (perhaps, including myself!). I DOUBT that anyone would even recognize Jesus! Has anyone read Jesus lately in the Gospels?
Jesus is utterly nothing like Apostle Paul or Apostle Peter whom the entire Christian religion is trying to emulate...
Sorry for my response but read the Gospels, read the Gospel of John in particular. Almost no Christian know who Jesus really is.
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Another Lazarus
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Holy Spirit has replaced Jesus.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Pastors only help with preaching, the real Comforter is the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is on earth and He restrain the lawlesness until He is taken out of the world with the church thru which He works.
2 Thes 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.
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I think we owe it ourselves to be careful when dealing with the Spirit.
There are many Christian denominations claiming to hear from the same Spirit and YET are hearing DIFFERENT answers on the same topics.
This is why many denominations disagree on many topics. It could be from another spirit as we have been warned it would happen.
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His sheep hear his voice. He draws near to those who draw near to him. where two or three are gathered in his name, he is there in the midst of them. While not all would recognize him, I agree, I am assured I would. Though to be honest, I am not worthy to even unlatch his shoes. Through his grace alone am I able to recognize and receive him for he has received me.
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Not those who love Him and recognize Him. The question should be if Jesus was posting incognito how many forums would kick Him out for His lack of understanding and truthfulness. Jesus uses truth and Jesus's motives are pure.
They sent their disciples to him along with the Herodians. "Teacher," they said, "we know that you are a man of integrity and that you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. You aren't swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are.
And Jesus can't be outfoxed.
Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?”
18But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? 19Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, 20and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”
21“Caesar’s,” they replied.
Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
22When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away.
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I think most modern Christians would not stand to have an Orthodox Jew as their pastor.
And besides that, someone that knows with one look every sin you ever did, every thought and attitude, and publicaly calls them all out on occasion would be rather unnerving.
And besides that, someone that knows with one look every sin you ever did, every thought and attitude, and publicaly calls them all out on occasion would be rather unnerving.
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If Jesus is an Orthdox Jew, then those who call themselves Orthodox Jews are fake....
Because the Orthodox Jews of His time hated what He's preaching that they nailed Him to the cross. The Orthodox Jews still hate Him today.
How can you be under the same religion if you hate what the other one is preaching?
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Don't forget that in Galatians Paul says He was born under the Law, and Hebews said He kept it flawlessly - tempted in all points yet without sin.
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To truly understand Apostle Paul, we must know his intentions:
1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the Law I became like one under the Law though I myself am not under the Law, to win those under the Law. 21To those without the Law I became like one without the Law though I am not outside the law of God but am under the law of Christ, to win those without the Law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men, so that by all possible means I might save some of them.…
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I understand where you are coming from. I actually have read the Gospels many times--including and especially John.
How could anyone be walking with the Holy Spirit and not recognize Jesus? In short, there are some who do have a relationship with God, who I do believe would recognize Jesus, if He was their pastor. They didn't have the Holy Spirit given to them in the Gospels. The Holy Spirit was given to Jesus only. There was a whole lot more to Jesus than just the Words He spoke. The woman at the well recognized who Jesus was in one encounter with Him--after initially mocking Him--to risk looking utterly foolish. That is just one example. And, that was before the Holy Spirit was given to men other than Jesus.
I notice how often Jesus spoke and even His closest followers didn't get it, without Him telling them what He meant. But, they didn't leave. In fact, when in John 6, most did leave, they didn't. Peter's response: "To whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. And, we believe and are sure that you are the Christ, the Son of the living God." (John 6:67-69) And, the Gospels led to Acts--because there were people who recognized Jesus and didn't leave, despite His often challenging words.
If people were actually following the Peter and the Paul described in Scripture, I think they would also be able to follow Jesus.
Yet, in just considering where the "church" has digressed to, I might agree with you. In considering the comfortable or the prosperity-version of the religion, I would agree with you. But, there are even some in each of those areas that are REAL CHRISTIANS. And, those that actually or have had to watch family members killed in front of them and yet won't denounced the Name of Jesus certainly wouldn't walk away from church because of some worldly thing they don't like or a challenging message.
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I don't think anyone who loves Jesus would face to face disagree with Him. He is the Lord. We would consider ourselves corrected from any disagreements with the head of the body of Christ. I do think in light of all the debates on religious forums that many might not like His answers if He was posting as a Christian not as the known Lord. And He would get banned by some. Its clear Jesus taught He was the only way to the Father which leaves out all those of other religions that deny Him. And Jesus promoted Himself not the law as a way to eternal life. Or I should say the Father glorified the Son as that way.
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Our church would throw him out. Right after he turns over the tables with the coffee and sermon dvd's.
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If we would just look how many churches are teaching how to love God with all our souls and how many churches are teaching how to love others, then we will know which church would welcome Jesus
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