Christian Bakers and Gay Wedding Cakes

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I take seriously Paul's injunction "if it be at all possible, live in peace with all men". Or Jesus' own words, to not refuse an evil man, and to go the extra mile if asked. That is what love looks like; that is what is truly biblical.

On the other hand, to have a perverse satisfaction and self-righteousness at not serving particular kinds of sinners, doesn't seem to me to be particularly loving.
 
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We appear to be heading to a dead end here. What a surprise.....nobody has changed anybody's mind.

People rarely change there minds based on what is said on CF.

It all boils down to this....do you believe the Bible or not?....and we are divided into these two groups. That hasn't changed throughout all modern history and won't change with this thread.

But the Bible doesn't address whether a baker should supply a cake for a reception.

I side with the Bible.

Everyone participating in this thread is Christian. I think we all side with the Bible. However the Bible does not address this topic.

I feel sorry for those who don't and I also feel sorry for judgemental people who don't think they're judgemental. Sure I'll admit I'm judgemental. If people weren't judgemental we would have anarchy....no judges, juries or laws. But my judgements are based on Biblical principles.

This is an issue upon which Christians can and do disagree. Unlike some in this thread, I don't tell fellow Christians that they don't believe what the Bible says simply because they don't agree with my views.

You folks who don't like Christianity can base it on man's ever changing politically correct whims if you want but I choose a never changing Rock.

Saying that a baker should not discriminate and should bake a cake for a reception has nothing to do with not liking Christianity.
 
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Everyone participating in this thread is Christian. I think we all side with the Bible. However the Bible does not address this topic.



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Do you think homosexual acts are sins and if not how do you interpret all the places in the Bible that claim they are?
 
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I take seriously Paul's injunction "if it be at all possible, live in peace with all men". Or Jesus' own words, to not refuse an evil man, and to go the extra mile if asked. That is what love looks like; that is what is truly biblical.

On the other hand, to have a perverse satisfaction and self-righteousness at not serving particular kinds of sinners, doesn't seem to me to be particularly loving.
So the right thing to do would have been making the cake and then telling them why homosexuality is wrong? After all, he has freedom of speech and they were physically standing on his property.
 
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So the right thing to do would have been making the cake and then telling them why homosexuality is wrong? After all, he has freedom of speech and they were physically standing on his property.

They were there for a cake, not a sermon.
 
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I think I'm moving on away from this thread. I have nothing else to add. I'm just learning the ropes here and haven't decided what I want to do with this website but I think this has taught me that I would be better off of I stuck with happier subjects, or better yet, places where I could cheer folks up who are down and support them in their Christian walk. Life is what you make of it and I don't want to make this awesome website a place where all I do is debate (although I may occasionally) I appreciate everyone on this thread who I have engaged with. While we may not agree I appreciate you listening to my opinion. (don't bother saying goodbye because I won't be coming back to check here) Hopefully I'll bump into you nice folks in a different thread. I can't get over how vast this place is! So much to talk about. See ya around friends!
 
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Do you think homosexual acts are sins and if not how do you interpret all the places in the Bible that claim they are?
Apparently not worth answering since Galaxy Hunter has left the thread. I would note that homosexuals are indeed sinners. I would also note that heterosexuals are also sinners. Is being a sinner a reason to not bake a cake for someone? I don't think so. The fact is that if this baker only baked cakes for non-sinners he would be making any cakes.
 
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It is discrimination and a violation of the law, just as what happened here is discrimination and a violation of the law.

It is discrimination only in the sense of what a person feels is morally or ethically okay to do in the matter of participating in an event and choosing not to participate in that event. Any law that would force a person to do that is a tyrannical and evil law.
 
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It is discrimination only in the sense of what a person feels is morally or ethically okay to do in the matter of participating in an event and choosing not to participate in that event. Any law that would force a person to do that is a tyrannical and evil law.

Bull. Some people oppose interracial marriage on moral and ethical grounds. You are saying that a law prohibiting discrimination based on race is tyrannical and evil. Some people oppose marriage between a Christian and a Muslim or moral and ethical grounds. You are saying that a law prohibiting discrimination based on race is tyrannical and evil.
 
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It isn't a case of the government forcing you to do something, it is a matter of not discriminating against someone. There are some cases where you can do it--a bar, for example, cannot legally serve someone who is visibly intoxicated. That is a matter of public safety. A gun shop can't sell to someone who fails a background check for the same reason, public safety.

Should a business owner be allowed to refuse to sell "sexy underthings" to an interracial couple because the owner thinks that blacks and whites shouldn't be together?

Should they be forced to keep size XXXXL in stock just in
case a 400 pound person wants to wear them?
 
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That is false. Phillips testified under oath that there was no discussion about decoration much less personalization. Philips refused to serve the couple when he identified them as gay. It was later claimed that Philips offered generic cake parts to the couple but he admitted during testimony that such as offer was not made until later

That doesn't change the first amendment argument.
Every wedding cake is an individual work of art, unless
you mass produce them. How much time and effort does
it take before your work is protected as your creation?
Something from your mind and soul and creativity?
 
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Should they be forced to keep size XXXXL in stock just in
case a 400 pound person wants to wear them?
I really get sick of answering the same question in different forms over and over. The answer is still no.
 
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