Satanism and Freemasonry.

americanvet · Jan 17, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
Christian or not?
Republican or Democrat?

Same blood oaths, same rites to follow York or Scottish.

Momonism is derived from freemasonry, as the Mormon secret temple rites are derived from freemasonry.

Joseph Smith and Bringham Young were both freemasons.

Christian.

Neither.

No blood obligations.

I agree.

americanvet · Jan 17, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
I strongly disagree, initiates are brought to the light of freemasonry, one gegree at a time they receive more light.

"You Are Going From Darkness To Light"

as stated in the lowere degree initiations.

The Light Of Freemasonry Is The Lucent Angel Of Light, The Devil Himself, Lucifer.

Human Curiosity is Lucifers key, in progression to the higher levels of freemasonry, secret knowledge?

That can be found at the click of a mouse, or the local library.

Just as Eve was deceived by curiosity, so is the mason.

"Yeah Hath Gid Said"? Hissssssss

Curiosity Killed The Cat!

No.

americanvet · Jan 17, 2018

Could you all tell me at what degree I get this secret super knowledge? Like the exact degree. It would be good for everyone to know.

americanvet · Jan 17, 2018

Rick Otto said:
Being hypnotized for a long time and being brought into gradually deeper levels of trance does not give one a basic understanding of what hypnosis is.

I agree 100%. But studying a topic does.

Truth7t7 · Jan 17, 2018

Ygrene Imref said:
Absolutely this.

There are so many "gods," powers, archons and principalities out there - but at one point, they were known by distinct name. What you described (Babel) is how we get a "pantheon" of gods who seem to overlap in powers and abilities/attribute/function, and others who are completely unique. The confusion of languages, but memory of the culture and "old ways."

A very big example of this specificity in culture and "spirituality" in practice was after babel - namely, when the ten gods of Egypt were humiliated by the Most High God in liberating the Hebrew slaves through Moses (including Pharaoh a.k.a. "god on earth/in the flesh" for Egypt.)

You can call them god's of Egypt, powers and archon's?

My Holy bible calls them Devils from Satan's kingdom.

Truth7t7 · Jan 17, 2018

americanvet said:
Could you all tell me at what degree I get this secret super knowledge? Like the exact degree. It would be good for everyone to know.

It would help if you quote a poster, who you talking to?

Truth7t7 · Jan 18, 2018

americanvet said:
Christian.

Neither.

No blood obligations.

I agree.

I see in post #144 your well established in freemasonry, Grand Lodge, Masonic Author.

Are you a Christian?

You state no blood obligation?

You had to have taken initiation into the "Blue Lodge"?

No obligation of having your "throat cut" should you reveal the secrets and degree work?

No sharp object pointed upon your bare breast?

Have you read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike?

Manly P. Hall?

Albert Gallatin. Mackey?

Do you approve of these masonic writings, for christian study in edification?

You don't believe these authors writings are dabbling in paganism & the occult?

Vet both my grandfathers were masons, I have guy's I work with, neighbors, associates that are masons. "Good Guy's" for the most part. Your an American Vet, and my adored hero.

However, what are the foundations of freemasonry, what are it's teachings, what is all the symbolic allegory going on?

I have studied the authoratative authors in freemasonry, and read the books, nothing hidden from these eyes.

The vast majority of masons dont have a clue who, Pike, Hall, Or Mackey Are.

Do You?

Ygrene Imref · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You can call them god's of Egypt, powers and archon's?

My Holy bible calls them Devils from Satan's kingdom.

There is only one God: the Most High God.

However, He made principalities, powers, archons and angels. Some of them are involved if this mess called Creation as we know it in a bad way (i.e. at all.)

The devils are a specific class of entities that disobeyed God. There are archons, powers and principalities with "vendetta" far beyond a disagreement in who should be the Christ, and His people.

Truth7t7 · Jan 18, 2018

Ygrene Imref said:
There is only one God: the Most High God.

However, He made principalities, powers, archons and angels. Some of them are involved if this mess called Creation as we know it in a bad way (i.e. at all.)

The devils are a specific class of entities that disobeyed God. There are archons, powers and principalities with "vendetta" far beyond a disagreement in who should be the Christ, and His people.

I have read the Holy Bible King James from cover to cover several times, no archons found.

My bible teaches there are two powers in this world.

The kingdom of Light, God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Holy angels, righteous saints.

The Angel Of Light, Lucifer, Satan, as ruler in his kingdom of darkness, over the fallen angels called devils, and familiar spirits.

Two powers, Kingdom of light, kingdom of darkness.

Ygrene Imref · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
I have read the Holy Bible King James from cover to cover several times, no archons found.

My bible teaches there are two powers in this world.

The kingdom of Light, God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, Holy angels, righteous saints.

The Angel Of Light, Lucifer, Satan, as ruler in his kingdom of darkness, over the fallen angels called devils, and familiar spirits.

Two powers, Kingdom of light, kingdom of darkness.

Paul told you there were entities in high places - principalities and powers in high places - Who act as adversaries against us, to try us and to implicate us in sin.

That is the in the canon. It is also in apocryphal archives; there is another class of "powers" that would be included in that.

The bible canon is inspired word, but be careful making an idol of the book written with ink on pages that decompose. The Word of God is living, and is the same One who died for our sins. As part of the New Covenant, the Word of God is written on our hearts so that we have no (honest) need to ask our neighbor who God is. The ecumenical history of canonicity is not supplemental to trust in compilation and teaching. It has a history of personal and political squelching, and benefit. The Word of God is written on your heart already.

Truth7t7 · Jan 18, 2018

Ygrene Imrefs: 72236197 said:
Paul told you there were entities in high places - principalities and powers in high places - Who act as adversaries against us, to try us and to implicate us in sin.

That is the in the canon. It is also in apocryphal archives; there is another class of "powers" that would be included in that.

The bible canon is inspired word, but be careful making an idol of the book written with ink on pages that decompose. The Word of God is living, and is the same One who died for our sins. As part of the New Covenant, the Word of God is written on our hearts so that we have no (honest) need to ask our neighbor who God is. The ecumenical history of canonicity is not supplemental to trust in compilation and teaching. It has a history of personal and political squelching, and benefit. The Word of God is written on your heart already.

Your claim principiality and powers in Ephesians 6 being some other power than Satan and Devils is unfounded.

Your claim my Holy Bible is not the complete cannon of scripture is false.

It appears you desire to add other spurious writings to my Holy bible, no thanks!

Your talking to a seasoned soldier in the spiritual battle field.

Are you a christian?

americanvet · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
I see in post #144 your well established in freemasonry, Grand Lodge, Masonic Author.

Are you a Christian?

You state no blood obligation?

You had to have taken initiation into the "Blue Lodge"?

No obligation of having your "throat cut" should you reveal the secrets and degree work?

No sharp object pointed upon your bare breast?

Have you read Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike?

Manly P. Hall?

Albert Gallatin. Mackey?

Do you approve of these masonic writings, for christian study in edification?

You don't believe these authors writings are dabbling in paganism & the occult?

Vet both my grandfathers were masons, I have guy's I work with, neighbors, associates that are masons. "Good Guy's" for the most part. Your an American Vet, and my adored hero.

However, what are the foundations of freemasonry, what are it's teachings, what is all the symbolic allegory going on?

I have studied the authoratative authors of freemasonry, and read the books, nothing hidden from these eyes.

The vast majority of masons dont have a clue who, Pike, Hall, Or Mackey Are.

Do You?

Yes.

My previous post (159) in this thread cover what you call blood oaths.

Yes in the grand lodge I was initiated into the symbolic penalties are used.

The sharp instrument and the obligation are completely different parts of the ritual.

My post 158, 159, and 160 cover Pike.

I've read enough of Mackey to know his writings are administrative nightmares.

No I do not approve of them for Christian edification. But I don't approve of reading medical books for Christian edification either.

If another person writes about paganism and occult things that is their business. BTW occult just means hidden. So if you have ever given a poop sample an occult blood test was probably conducted.

Thank you for your appreciation.

Each of the authors you mentioned wrote their opinion. Pike was for the AASR Southern Jurisdiction. Hall wrote his most popular books before becoming a Mason. Mackey again just wrote his opinion. These men are not Masonic rulers nor are they sources of universal knowledge on any topic. Just as the many books on Christianity are not followed by all. So of course most Masons haven't read them as they are not a big deal.

americanvet · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
It would help if you quote a poster, who you talking to?

Everyone who claims Masons must reach a certain level to be in the know. That is why I didn't quote anyone.

Truth7t7 · Jan 18, 2018

"americanvet said:
Yes.

My previous post (159) in this thread cover what you call blood oaths.

Yes in the grand lodge I was initiated into the symbolic penalties are used.

The sharp instrument and the obligation are completely different parts of the ritual.

My post 158, 159, and 160 cover Pike.

I've read enough of Mackey to know his writings are administrative nightmares.

No I do not approve of them for Christian edification. But I don't approve of reading medical books for Christian edification either.

If another person writes about paganism and occult things that is their business. BTW occult just means hidden. So if you have ever given a poop sample an occult blood test was probably conducted.

Thank you for your appreciation.

Each of the authors you mentioned wrote their opinion. Pike was for the AASR Southern Jurisdiction. Hall wrote his most popular books before becoming a Mason. Mackey again just wrote his opinion. These men are not Masonic rulers nor are they sources of universal knowledge on any topic. Just as the many books on Christianity are not followed by all. So of course most Masons haven't read them as they are not a big deal.

You disregard these books as if they mean nothing?

Albert Pike was Grand Commander of the Scottish rite, his shrine is housed in Washington DC, His Book Morals And Dogma is enshrined also. This work was handed to all initiates for decades in freemasonry's history?

You down play as if this book has no meaning to freemasonry?

Open your eyes, the Grand Commander Albert Pike wrote the ritual for the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction, thats followed and used around the world to this day.

Your 100% correct in stating this book isn't good reading for christian edification.

Packed full of Philosophy, Paganism, and the Occult it is.

The same would be said for Manly P. Hall And Albert Mackey, The Occultist X 3

americanvet · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You disregard these books as if they mean nothing?

Albert Pike was Grand Commander of the Scottish rite, his shrine is housed in Washington DC, His Book Morals And Dogma is enshrined also. This work was handed to all initiates for decades in freemasonry's history?

You down play as if this book has no meaning to freemasonry?

Open your eyes, the Grand Commander Albert Pike wrote the ritual for the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction, and followed and used around the world to this day.

The Scottish Rite is a body Master Masons can join. Being that most Master Masons are not members of the Scottish Rite yes I disregard the importance you place on Pike. His writings are no more important than any other Masonic writer.

Yes Pike is buried in Washington, DC at the headquarter of the AASR Southern Jurisdiction. And? M&D is just a book. It was not handed to all initiated for decades. It was given to those who joined the AASR Southern Jurisdiction.

Yes Pike wrote the ritual for the AASR Southern Jurisdiction. Since then they have been changed. Additionally the AASR SJ only covers 35 states, this is hardly worldwide.

Truth7t7 · Jan 18, 2018

You play off in posting as if the Scottish Rite has no association to the "Blue Lodge", Real Big Smiles.

The "Blue Lodge" is the hatchery, The higher degrees in the Scottish Rite is the brood stock.

Yes Albert Pike's book "Morals And Dogma" was given to all initiates in the Scottish Rite upon initiation for decades, and you ask at what degree an initiate would learn this occultism.

Yes Albert Pike was an Occultist, and his book is Occultism.

In the first degree in the blue lodge the initiate is said to be brought from darkness to the light of freemasonry, with vast symbolism containing the symbols of light.

As Ole Uncle Albert Speaks Openly Below, "Lucifer Is The Light Bearer" of freemasonry, don't forget it.

33rd Manly P. Hall shouts the same, "Lucifer"!

You cry at what degree do you learn this occultic knowledge, your reading it!

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"

Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.

americanvet said:
Everyone who claims Masons must reach a certain level to be in the know. That is why I didn't quote anyone.

americanvet · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written

"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians"

Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason

“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.

Pike's Venus quote
Bill the former: mason, vampire, Catholic priest, Mormon priest, Wicca high priest and what ever else Bill is claiming to be today.

Lost Keys of Freemasonry published in 1923
Hall joined Freemasonry in 1954

In other words you quoted: Pike's opinion, Bill's opinion, and Hall's opinion.

Oh I forgot the Taxil Hoax.

americanvet · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
You play off in posting as if the Scottish Rite has no association to the "Blue Lodge", Real Big Smiles.

The "Blue Lodge" is the hatchery, The higher degrees in the Scottish Rite is the brood stock.

Yes Albert Pike's book "Morals And Dogma" was given to all initiates in the Scottish Rite upon initiation.

Yes Albert Pike was an Occultist, and his book is Occultism.

In the first degree in the blue lodge the initiate is said to be brought from darkness to the light of freemasonry, with vast symbolism containing the symbols of light.

As Ole Uncle Albert Speaks Openly Below, "Lucifer Is The Light Bearer" of freemasonry, don't forget it.

"Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written

"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great archit

“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.

Since you edited (heavily) after I quoted you I'll reply again.

The Scottish Rite is not the brood stock. If anything it is beneath the blue lodge. A 33rd or 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason does not "outrank" a Master Mason.

I see you tried to up the ante on the Venus quote.

No Pike's book was not given to every person who joined the Scottish Rite. It was given to every member who joined the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction.

Truth7t7 · Jan 18, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer ! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! It is he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual or selfish souls? Doubt it not!"
Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff

Domenico Margiotta 0- 33rd degree Mason has written

"Palladism is necessarily a luciferian rite. Its religion is Manichaean neo-gnostism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that lucifer is equal of Adonay, with lucifer the God of Light and Goodness struggling for humanity against Adonay the God of darkness and Evil.. Albert Pike had only specified and unveiled the dogmas of the high grades of all other masonries, for in no matter what rite, The Great architect of the Universe is not the God worshipped by Christians"

Extract from 'Masonry - beyond the light' Wm.Schnoebelen former 32nd degree Mason

“When the Mason learns that the key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the mystery of his craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onwards and upwards he must prove his ability to properly apply (this) energy.”

‘Lost Keys of Freemasonry’ page 48, Manley P Hall 33rd degree.

americanvet said:
Since you edited (heavily) after I quoted you I'll reply again.

The Scottish Rite is not the brood stock. If anything it is beneath the blue lodge. A 33rd or 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason does not "outrank" a Master Mason.

I see you tried to up the ante on the Venus quote.

No Pike's book was not given to every person who joined the Scottish Rite. It was given to every member who joined the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction.

Well the typical masons denial.

All initiates to the Scottish Rite 4-32 degrees, must be blue lodge initiates of the 1-3 degrees.

As stated the blue lodge is the hatchery, that all masons must go through before moving up in the York Or Scottish Rite, I post this for the viewers, your well aware of this being in the Grand Lodge.

Yes Albert Pike Was a Polished American Occultist, And His Book "Morals And Dogma"is Occultic, Luciferian, Teachings.

Yes this occultism was handed to "Blue Lodge" members, and new initiates of the southern jurisdiction for decades as I stated.

Yes initiates into the Scottish Rite, are still "Blue Lodge" initiates, and can attend "Blue Lodge" meetings, and be present in freemasonry's hatchery, with a higher degree of knowledge on the Light Bearer Lucifer.

You downplay this, to conceal the truth in my opinion.

The blue Lodge has members of all degrees, in different levels of progression, in Learning Who the Light Of Freemasonry Is, The Angel Of Light, Lucifer.

Will you deny that high level members in the York or Scottish rite, can atthend the blue lodge meetings and initiation?

Wouldn't want to miss the fun in the 3rd degree initiation, give it as you received it!

A good place for christians to be, looking towards the hope of moving up to the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction, having uncle Albert Pikes Occultic book "Morals And Dogma" placed in your christian hands?

americanvet · Jan 18, 2018

It's not that they are not associated. It's that the AASR (any jurisdiction) has not power or control over any other body Masonic or otherwise.

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