The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?
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Then why are you still posting? You offer nothing in the way of Biblical discourse, only small comments of a contentious spirit.
Give us one verse where Jesus said to disregard the 4th Commandment.... I'm guessing you won't because you can't.
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Sorry because you're looking for specific words. I truly feel very sorry for people who must be told exactly what to do. God gave us a mind. Besides you reject any Scripture that indicates the covenant containing the sabbath requirement is replaced with one that doesn't contain such a requirement.
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Don't feel sorry for me, provide me with the scripture, just one, that Jesus changed the Sanctity and Holiness of the 7th day Sabbath and that it is no longer a part of the Decalogue.
I'll be waiting.... but not holding my breath
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The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?
Its amazing we are up to 33 pages in regards to this. The Sabbath will ALWAYS be Saturday, as it was a command from God and written on tablet stones with his own fingers! It was a day of rest, so all the bickering of Jesus rising on Sunday still doesnt take away , that it is a day or rest. Im pretty sure the gentile back then rested from working Saturdays and some probably worshiped on the 1st day of the week.
But the main purpose of the Sabbath is that its a day of rest, having a church service isnt the top priority of that command. Granted, if its said to keep the day holy or hold a holy convocation, a service on that day would make sense.
But butchering Isaiah 56 out of context to say you cant to anything of pleasure on the Sabbath goes overboard, as the only Sabbath in the bible where you were commanded to conflict you soul was the day of atonement, so when it says turn from your own pleasure ,it is referring to the Day of Atonement NOT the weekly Sabbath, as there is no where in the Torah that says you are not allowed to do anything of pleasure on the Sabbath.
To address the many verse used out of context:
Acts 20:7 is showing they met right after the Sabbath ended and Paul spoke to them until midnight, this was not a Sunday morning service they were holding. It was the 1st day of the week, but in the same manner of me holding a service at 12:01am and speaking to people until 6am.
Romans 14 is about fasting and choosing which days to fast and not judging each other or disputing too much over it.
Col 2:16 is about not judging the believers then who were keeping the commandments in that pagan nation, not saying not let anyone judge you for breaking them.
1 Cor 16:2, Paul was taking up a collection because there was a famine in Jerusalem, not because Sunday morning service was the new tradition and they generally didnt conduct business on the Sabbath anyways, so he wouldnt have been going to place to place to take up money.
Jesus was still on the earth for 40 days, so since many claim they are following Jesus teachings and examples let pose some examples.
In the 40 days after he rose:
Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?
Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?
Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?
Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?
Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?
Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?
Where did Jesus say to remember his birth with pagan customs and to celebrate it on the same days the pagans will celebrate their idols birthday?
Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?
Most of Sunday worship now is a man made tradition, and while nothing is wrong with Sunday services, as there is no command against it, Sunday never replaced the purpose of the Sabbath.
Its amazing we are up to 33 pages in regards to this. The Sabbath will ALWAYS be Saturday, as it was a command from God and written on tablet stones with his own fingers! It was a day of rest, so all the bickering of Jesus rising on Sunday still doesnt take away , that it is a day or rest. Im pretty sure the gentile back then rested from working Saturdays and some probably worshiped on the 1st day of the week.
But the main purpose of the Sabbath is that its a day of rest, having a church service isnt the top priority of that command. Granted, if its said to keep the day holy or hold a holy convocation, a service on that day would make sense.
But butchering Isaiah 56 out of context to say you cant to anything of pleasure on the Sabbath goes overboard, as the only Sabbath in the bible where you were commanded to conflict you soul was the day of atonement, so when it says turn from your own pleasure ,it is referring to the Day of Atonement NOT the weekly Sabbath, as there is no where in the Torah that says you are not allowed to do anything of pleasure on the Sabbath.
To address the many verse used out of context:
Acts 20:7 is showing they met right after the Sabbath ended and Paul spoke to them until midnight, this was not a Sunday morning service they were holding. It was the 1st day of the week, but in the same manner of me holding a service at 12:01am and speaking to people until 6am.
Romans 14 is about fasting and choosing which days to fast and not judging each other or disputing too much over it.
Col 2:16 is about not judging the believers then who were keeping the commandments in that pagan nation, not saying not let anyone judge you for breaking them.
1 Cor 16:2, Paul was taking up a collection because there was a famine in Jerusalem, not because Sunday morning service was the new tradition and they generally didnt conduct business on the Sabbath anyways, so he wouldnt have been going to place to place to take up money.
Jesus was still on the earth for 40 days, so since many claim they are following Jesus teachings and examples let pose some examples.
In the 40 days after he rose:
Where did Jesus say the Sabbath is now abolished in favor of Sunday?
Where did Jesus go around starting up Sunday churches?
Where did Jesus say Passover and Unleavened Bread will replaced with Communion/The Lords Supper?
Where did Jesus say to make sure you take up a collection on Sunday morning and make sure you call it a tithe?
Where did Jesus say a tithe is now money?
Where did Jesus say to remember his death with pagan fertility symbols?
Where did Jesus say to remember his birth with pagan customs and to celebrate it on the same days the pagans will celebrate their idols birthday?
Where did Jesus say he is now a Christian and starting a new religion called Christianity?
Most of Sunday worship now is a man made tradition, and while nothing is wrong with Sunday services, as there is no command against it, Sunday never replaced the purpose of the Sabbath.
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Are you not quoting any scripture for that extreme speculation because you think doctrine should be based on "say so"? or should we just "quote you" as the proof for such speculation having something to back it up??
In other words "were we simply not supposed to notice" that the claim "yes Jesus did" has no text??
Again given the chance to support your false claim with proof/evidence you provide nothing but "more vitriol" and emotionalism???
How is that supposed to work??
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You are going back to the same strawman argument. My guess is that you will repeat this 1000 times. Saturday is the Sabbath. Why not argue that I think the sky is not blue, that because it is blue, I should join your sect?
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I think desperate, emotionalism, are words reserved for a sect of Christians which could be considered a doomsday cult, in that they predicted the world would end.
You know how that goes.. you predict the end of the world and it doesn't happen. So you say you misunderstand God, or God changes His mind, or that God was testing you, or that you miscalculated the scriptures.
You have lost all credibility. BUT! You make another end of the world prediction. And guess what? It doesn't come true.
Your little doomsday group has nothing. Then a twice fooled member says.. hey.. Christians go to Church on Sunday, but Saturday is the Sabbath. That Saturday is the Sabbath has nothing to do with the fact that Christ rose on the first day and Christians gathered on Sundays. Then you go around threatening people with eternal damnation because they worship on Sunday, instead of worshiping with you on Saturday because that's your new gimmick. Despite the fact Christians have always gathered on Sundays. When European Christians met isolated pockets of Christians, they still worshiped on Sundays, because Christians have always worshiped on Sunday.
But you say over and over, Saturday is the Sabbath.
Yeah, totally.
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Here's my position on you and the matter - you refuse anything anyone says that doesn't agree with you. That being true there is really no need to post any
Scripture for you. Pearls are precious. It's wasted time and effort. We have a new covenant you refuse to accept.
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Do you believe that the Scriptures written in Greek are the inspired works of God? Here are the names of the days of the week in Greek:
Κυριακή (Lord's day, First day), Sunday. Δευτέρα (Second day), Monday. Τρίτη (Third day), Tuesday. Τετάρτη (Fourth day), Wednesday. Πέμπτη (Fifth day), Thursday. Παρασκευή ("Preparation"), Friday. Σάββατο ("Sabbath"), Saturday (seventh day).
As you can see, the seventh day IS THE Sabbath day...and Sunday IS The Lord's Day.
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I find that you would admit that to be "interesting"
I am not altogether inclined to differ with you on that point.
State a fact that is first accurate and second ... in your favor.
State a fact that is ... in your favor.
There are a few occasions where Christians "Christians gathered on Sundays" but for what?
Acts 18:4 both gentiles AND Jews gathered "every Sabbath" for Gospel preaching.
State fact that is in your favor.
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"the saints keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is keeping the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31
Your "all ad hominem all emotionalism" response noted.
the point above remains.
But now we notice a second "detail" in that example above which is "the mere quote of the text is sufficient cause to give rise to strong emotional outburst"
Also.. irrefutable now that you proved that point
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Are you not quoting any scripture for that extreme speculation because you think doctrine should be based on "say so"? or should we just "quote you" as the proof for such speculation having something to back it up??
In other words "were we simply not supposed to notice" that the claim "yes Jesus did" has no text??
honesty in any part of your post.. much appreciated.
Have you lost the thread??
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Especially the Cretans. The only others would have been in the gates of a law abiding Israeli.
On your other issue - has anyone here said Saturday isn't the sabbath?
Then why is it the issue of worship on the sabbath is used to prove obligations of the law have been met?
No wonder so many non Christians don't like the 4th commandment of law. I don't live in an apartment in the city. I'm never bored because there isn't something that needs immediate attention.
The sabbath is over at dusk. You've got no valid argument.
No the subject is judging another with details about 2 major contentions. Verse 5 says nothing about food. That means it also doesn't connect food with the sabbath or any other holy day of the law.
Neither is it judging Christians for not keeping the rites of the sabbath.
Does your church receive money during church services? What day is that? Why should the Corinthian Church require its adherents to bring money only on days they don't meet for worship?
Where does the Bible say anything about the sabbath during those 40 days? Remember the importance of the sabbath.
Mute point. There's no mention of the all important day during that period of time. In fact the only day pointed to is the first day of the week - Sunday.
The same place He went around establishing sabbath churches.
Read those events of the last supper for yourself. There is a replacement with the announcement of Jesus about the new testament (covenant).
Ludicrous in light of my comment above.
Good point! No church accepts a biblical tithe.
So you don't like Christianity. Guess that is all the reason you need to attack it on a Christian forum in a section for Christians only. That is exactly what the sabbatarians are doing here. They should be banned from this section.
If you don't comply fully with the 4th commandment your guilty of doing the same in the name of a woman. I see no difference.
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Give me a good reason. The evidence here is you reject everything that doesn't you don't like and agree with you. I've read the forum.
Jesus did so with LK 22:20. Yes you go - huh? you're crazy man. Jesus replaced the whole old covenant with that statement. Jeremiah said this would happen. If anything Jesus taught, He taught He is that rest (sabbath) they couldn't enter into. You've been quoted Mat 11:28-30 before. So yes we're not to notice that has been done. Everyone was dug this morning and put on the turnip truck.
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And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
Where does John say otherwise? The bolded "he" in the verse is Jesus.
Where is an "all ad hominem all emotionalism" response given by me?
I see no scriptural based point by you. I do see out of context quotes you think support your theology.
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"the saints keep the commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12
"what matters is keeping the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19
"do we then make void the LAW by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the Law" Rom 3:31
Your "all ad hominem all emotionalism" response noted.
the point above remains.
But now we notice a second "detail" in that example above which is "the mere quote of the text is sufficient cause to give rise to strong emotional outburst"
Also.. irrefutable now that you proved that point
Hmmm maybe look for your post content with the text "you post is nothing more than half truths twisting Scripture trying to draw people (suckers)"
I can help you find it if you need help with that.
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