Benny Hinn - True or False

aiki · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
By your own admission, you haven't gone to any of his meetings and haven't listened long enough to get the full picture of the man and his preaching, and I suspect you have never read his biography of his background and how he got into ministry. So, all this opinion of yours is based on a few selected snippets which show some of his wacky stuff, but leaves out his sound preaching of the gospel, the praise and worship times in his meetings, the multitudes of people coming to Christ, and the many testimonies of people's lives having been wonderfully changed through his ministry.

When I hear false doctrine and witness behaviour clearly in opposition to Scripture from Benny Hinn (and I have), I am under no obligation whatever to search further in the muck of his "ministry" for the nuggets of truth that might be there. Doing so is the conduct of a fool. I can find plenty of sources of truth and sound teaching that don't require being soiled with the sort of false teaching and likely demonic carrying-on characteristic of Benny's meetings and teaching.

Oscarr said:
I am an academic with a Mdiv.

*Sigh* Whenever someone trots out their academic pedigree (real or fabricated), I know what follows is likely to be very suspect and/or intended to limit challenge. Your Mdiv. does not impress me.

Oscarr said:
If I wrote an essay on Benny Hinn's ministry based on just snippets from Youtube and did not do a thorough research on the man, his ministry and his doctrine, and also the fruit of his ministry in the lives of people affected by it, the professor would laugh my essay out of his office and give me 1% for trying!

Oh, I see. So, you're the "professor" in this thread giving us all a grade on our posts? Interesting. A bit narcissistic, too. I don't post in these threads with a view to meeting your particular standards of what counts as a proper response. Whatever standard your professors may have had for your essays, I am perfectly warranted in saying what I have about Benny. I'm certainly not the least interested in writing an essay on the wretched fellow and having you grade it.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

So what if Benny has a private airplane to fly around the world. Every celebrity and rock star who has gigs around the world either has a private jet or needs one! What's so different about Benny. He travels extensively around the world to conduct his ministry and using a private airplane is a practical and sensible thing to do. What is his alternative? Flying by commercial airlines in cattle class? Waiting around airports to get his luggage off the conveyor belt? Come on. Many prominent businessmen with international connections have their own private jets to get them around. For Benny it is a useful and essential ministry tool and without it, he could end up exhausted and burned out with all the international travelling that he does. Only those who have travelled on long distance flights around the world know how tiring that is and how little sleep one gets on those flights, having to sit upright for more than 12 hours at a time. If I was an international ministry and regularly flew 12 hours at a time to get someone, I would be needing a private plane too, just to relax, rest, and sleep properly on the journey without the noise of drunken passengers and crying babies on commercial flights.

fhansen · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Have you viewed a full meeting? Have you attended one of his meetings in person to see it from start to finish to see if people are coming to Christ? How can deception and faith be together. Didn't Jesus say that light and darkness could not abide in the same place? Either Benny is an anointed minister of the Gospel or he is a complete deceiver who is turning people away from Christ. There is no middle ground.

So if you have no first-hand information other than the comments of other critics of his ministry, how can you have an unbiased view of the man? You said "in my opinion" and that is correct. It is just your opinion, based on gossip and innuendo, if you have not fully and completely researched the man and his ministry for yourself.

Nah, he's a fake. It's called discernment. I've been to too many Pentecostal services not to know by now. He needs to attend to his faith, and drop the garbage.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

aiki said:
When I hear false doctrine and witness behaviour clearly in opposition to Scripture from Benny Hinn (and I have), I am under no obligation whatever to search further in the muck of his "ministry" for the nuggets of truth that might be there. Doing so is the conduct of a fool. I can find plenty of sources of truth and sound teaching that don't require being soiled with the sort of false teaching and likely demonic carrying-on characteristic of Benny's meetings and teaching.

*Sigh* Whenever someone trots out their academic pedigree (real or fabricated), I know what follows is likely to be very suspect and/or intended to limit challenge. Your Mdiv. does not impress me.

Oh, I see. So, you're the "professor" in this thread giving us all a grade on our posts? Interesting. A bit narcissistic, too. I don't post in these threads with a view to meeting your particular standards of what counts as a proper response. Whatever standard your professors may have had for your essays, I am perfectly warranted in saying what I have about Benny. I'm certainly not the least interested in writing an essay on the wretched fellow and having you grade it.

Oh. Thanks for the compliment. Now when I step out of the shower and stand there in front of my full length mirror in all my glory, I will say to myself, "You are a professor! Hot dang!"

Do you have a driver's licence. If you have, did you have to study a book of the road rules? Did you just glance at a few snippets, or did you closely study the whole lot? If you decided to go for your driving test after having just looked at a few snippets of the road rules, would you be surprised if your driving tester viewed you as a danger to man and beast on the road? We don't need to be academic to work that one out.

When you met your wife, did you get to know her by spending five minutes with her once a month, and then decide that she was the one for you? Or did you spend as much time as possible with her and she with you to really make sure that you want to spend the rest of your lives together?

Get my point? So how well do you know Benny Hinn? Do you think you could get to know him better before making sweeping negative statements about him?

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

fhansen said:
Nah, he's a fake. It's called discernment. I've been to too many Pentecostal services not to know by now. He needs to attend to his faith, and drop the garbage.

I discern that you are wrong about him. How can you prove that my discernment is incorrect?

Original Happy Camper · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I'd be interested in how he would justify that statement. Hearing the full sermon may give a more complete picture of what he is saying.

Saying we are little Gods and messiahs then couple that with his repeated declaration "I AM" which is a tittle/name for Jesus.
I Am – “Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
It appears as he is teaching that we are equal to Jesus

fhansen · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I discern that you are wrong about him. How can you prove that my discernment is incorrect?

Probably about the same way you can prove mine's incorrect.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

aiki said:
When I hear false doctrine and witness behaviour clearly in opposition to Scripture from Benny Hinn (and I have), I am under no obligation whatever to search further in the muck of his "ministry" for the nuggets of truth that might be there. Doing so is the conduct of a fool. I can find plenty of sources of truth and sound teaching that don't require being soiled with the sort of false teaching and likely demonic carrying-on characteristic of Benny's meetings and teaching.

So, just adding to my previous comment, if there has been thousands of people around the world who are now stable church-going born again Christians because of Benny's ministry, and there are further thousands of believers whose lives were changed for the better through going to one of his meetings, then who would have the better impression of him. Those people, or the critics you are believing right now?

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

fhansen said:
Probably about the same way you can prove mine's incorrect.

Dead right. Pure guesswork.

DennisTate · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Were you in his meeting and actually heard him preach that? Can you direct me to a Youtube video of his whole message where he made that comment? Then I can judge for myself instead of just receiving your comment on face value. You see, I am like a Berean. I search things out thoroughly before coming to a conclusion and making a judgement.

I am not yet Pentecostal but my wife certainly is......
she was in one of his Crusades in Bogota, Colombia, around 1995 and Pastor Benny Hinn.......
stopped on the way up to the podium.........
(note that there were about twenty thousand people at this meeting).... he walked over to my future wife....... five years before she met me.... and prophesied to her that .....
she was going to travel all over the world working for Jesus.... and that her husband would go with her...... and that Jesus was going to give her a foreign husband...... (at that time she felt the foreign husband would be that her then husband would repent and stop chasing other women around but no.... .her then husband divorced her several years later for another woman)......... The foreign husband was me.... a Canadian..... just about the last country on earth that my Ecuadorian wife wanted to move to..........

Pastor Benny Hinn is genuinely gifted........

fhansen · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Dead right. Pure guesswork.

Ok...if that's how you classify your discernment. Let me put it this way-all of us are a mixture of truth and falsehood. None of us have attained the perfection or holiness that we'll one day hopefully have, by God's grace. So I can appreciate the faith and enthusiasm of many people, even if I disagree with them on various points of their beliefs. However, I also believe that such things as laughing in the Spirit and slaying in the Spirit are almost universally bogus in those Churches that practice them as a matter of course. I've seen children trained it these things in fact. And Benny Hinn simply doesn't come off as the model of humility that I would expect of a Christian leader.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

fhansen said:
Ok...if that's how you classify your discernment. Let me put it this way-all of us are a mixture of truth and falsehood. None of us have attained the perfection or holiness that we'll one day hopefully have, by God's grace. So I can appreciate the faith and enthusiasm of many people, even if I disagree with them on various points of their beliefs. However, I also believe that such things as laughing in the Spirit and slaying in the Spirit are almost universally bogus in those Churches that practice them as a matter of course. I've seen children trained it these things in fact. And Benny Hinn simply doesn't come off as the model of humility that I would expect of a Christian leader.

Firstly, any discernment is guesswork. Like prophecy, it has to be tested to see whether it is appropriate or true. According to Jessie Penn-Lewis, who wrote "War On the Saints" as a reaction to some of the wacky things that went on in the Welsh Revival, nine out of every ten impressions (or might I say "discernments" which are actually impressions) come from the world, flesh or the devil.

I can sit here and "discern" that you are a mighty man of God who is going to cast out seven demons today. But would that be true? What if I received a very strong impression of that? Would I have to believe it at face value without checking it out. If I told you my discernment, would you just believe it and expect it to happen? I don't think so. The only way that my discernment would be correct is if you did actually go to a meeting and cast out seven demons. Then, although you might not have believed it at first, the fulfilment of it would cause you to say, in hindsight, "That was a true discernment". I know I am quoting an extreme example to put my point.

Many years ago, someone accused me of having a spirit of variance. I laughed at him and told him he was talking nonsense. He came from a church that saw demons under every bush and accused people of having demons just because they said or did something that disagreed with them. However, after being on this forum for so many years and have had some pretty fiery debates and arguments with folks, I am not so sure that I don't have a spirit of variance!!! ^_^

So, in hindsight, 50 years later, could his "discernment" have been true? Who knows?

I know I am an argumentative person and don't back down willingly in a debate, and there was only one member by the name of Simon_Templar who defeated me and I had to yield to his logical, accurate and superior research and wisdom.

I digress...

The second point is that if you accept that the Great Awakening, Hebrides and Welsh Revivals (not withstanding Jessie Penn-Lewis's comments) were true revivals, then according to the accounts of them, exactly the same manifestations occurred in all three, and the critics of those times said exactly the same as you are saying now. Isn't it interesting that the very people who speak of past revivals as being true moves of God, are now reviling current revivals as being false with false manifestations, and yet the characteristics are almost exactly the same. In the Great Awakening it was Methodists and Presbyterians who were falling down slain in the Spirit! And now people from those very churches are rubbishing meetings where exactly the same things are happening. O, consistency, thou art a jewel!!

gordonhooker · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I have copied this thread from another forum to give a more general group of people from different denominations the opportunity to respond without getting themselves into trouble. I would appreciate if people didn't aim comments at me personally, but to comment on the issues instead. Then we can have a good, even if very spirited discussion for and against what I might be implying. Here is the post I entered in the other forum:

I know that there have been threads on this topic before and there has been quite a range of views, some very supportive, and others fairly harsh and unloving toward him.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.

A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.

Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.

I just thought I would chuck that into the pot and see what boils up.

I never found any of Benny's videos very inspiring so I am not really in a position to comment on what his commitment to Christ is, but I would like to address your first question to a point:

Q1. The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.

I would have thought that it doesn't matter if he was a born again Christian brother or a the grand imperial poobah of the pastafarians we should still love him as Christ taught us.

Blade · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr why are you asking questions here about Mr Hinn to people that dont know him never meet him. That will base there answer on nothing more than some videos or personal feelings?

I look for the good in this man. So if I take him at his word that Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the sins of the world. Was buried. Rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father. Now does the word of GOD or GOD say that if someone says this they are of Him? The word does not ask if YOU agree or not. The word says they are.

I think one needs to explain what "false" is. False is not what each of us do not agree with or personally dislike in someone. And who here is the REAL Christian? And again.. your talking about someone that can not defend themselfs? And this man.. belongs to a GOD. Saying he is or he is not.. sorry who hear can read his heart? I always look at this kind of thing from my own life. If someone followed me around one might say "does he know Christ at all". But what they would never see never know only my Father is.. I ALWAYS cry out to Him to change. I always repent so forth so on. I don't answer to man nor man do me. Nor does Benny Hinn.

Now Mr Hinn may not be preaching YOUR way.. the way you personally believe...but its not your gospel. You have no say in that. As Paul ..or the sweet sweet Holy Spirit said.. the Gospel is being preached.

To all.. WHO do you think GOD picks or calls? Many are called.. few or chooses. He takes anyone that will say "here I am.. lord". He does not pick the one YOU will only like only agree with. This is for HIM and HIM alone. Its HIS will not yours not mine. And I DONT watch Benny Hinn. I disagree with with some things he does and said. SO WHAT? Lol.. what my personal belief in Christ is what..the RIGHT ONE? You getting hundreds if not thousands saved daily, weekly, monthly, yearly? ANY?

False... Jesus came died.. period. False...go to India.. Go to China.. Go to Iran, Iraq. Shall I go on? So.. if I think this man or any other is in error.. blood of JESUS I will pray FOR THEM...not against nor speak against them. So many believers do not understand. When you JUDGE and some of this is.. the Father HAS to as it is written judge us by our words. For to judge.. where is your heart? Are you truly really loving and want to help them? To bring them BACK or what ever to the Father?

So will pray for Him.. put him and any other in the hands of the ONLY ONE that can fix save and died for them. I didn't. And I am NO BETTER then Hinn or you or anyone else.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

gordonhooker said:
I never found any of Benny's videos very inspiring so I am not really in a position to comment on what his commitment to Christ is, but I would like to address your first question to a point:

Q1. The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.

I would have thought that it doesn't matter if he was a born again Christian brother or a the grand imperial poobah of the pastafarians we should still love him as Christ taught us.

Quite right. Benny is not quite my cup of tea either, but he is bringing the love of Christ to people on his patch, and that is enough for me.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

Blade said:
Oscarr why are you asking questions here about Mr Hinn to people that dont know him never meet him. That will base there answer on nothing more than some videos or personal feelings?

I look for the good in this man. So if I take him at his word that Jesus came in the flesh died on the cross for the sins of the world. Was buried. Rose the 3rd day is the only way to the Father. Now does the word of GOD or GOD say that if someone says this they are of Him? The word does not ask if YOU agree or not. The word says they are.

I think one needs to explain what "false" is. False is not what each of us do not agree with or personally dislike in someone. And who here is the REAL Christian? And again.. your talking about someone that can not defend themselfs? And this man.. belongs to a GOD. Saying he is or he is not.. sorry who hear can read his heart? I always look at this kind of thing from my own life. If someone followed me around one might say "does he know Christ at all". But what they would never see never know only my Father is.. I ALWAYS cry out to Him to change. I always repent so forth so on. I don't answer to man nor man do me. Nor does Benny Hinn.

Now Mr Hinn may not be preaching YOUR way.. the way you personally believe...but its not your gospel. You have no say in that. As Paul ..or the sweet sweet Holy Spirit said.. the Gospel is being preached.

To all.. WHO do you think GOD picks or calls? Many are called.. few or chooses. He takes anyone that will say "here I am.. lord". He does not pick the one YOU will only like only agree with. This is for HIM and HIM alone. Its HIS will not yours not mine. And I DONT watch Benny Hinn. I disagree with with some things he does and said. SO WHAT? Lol.. what my personal belief in Christ is what..the RIGHT ONE? You getting hundreds if not thousands saved daily, weekly, monthly, yearly? ANY?

False... Jesus came died.. period. False...go to India.. Go to China.. Go to Iran, Iraq. Shall I go on? So.. if I think this man or any other is in error.. blood of JESUS I will pray FOR THEM...not against nor speak against them. So many believers do not understand. When you JUDGE and some of this is.. the Father HAS to as it is written judge us by our words. For to judge.. where is your heart? Are you truly really loving and want to help them? To bring them BACK or what ever to the Father?

So will pray for Him.. put him and any other in the hands of the ONLY ONE that can fix save and died for them. I didn't. And I am NO BETTER then Hinn or you or anyone else.

Did you miss the point that I am stoutly defending the man, not running him down? The questions I asked in my OP, are loaded ones, because I listed what I believe about the man as the series of questions! Turn those questions into statements and then you will see exactly what Oscarr believes and then you might see that your are preaching to the choir! You make excellent points though and it is good to another person defending him instead of running him down.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

DennisTate said:
I am not yet Pentecostal but my wife certainly is......
she was in one of his Crusades in Bogota, Colombia, around 1995 and Pastor Benny Hinn.......
stopped on the way up to the podium.........
(note that there were about twenty thousand people at this meeting).... he walked over to my future wife....... five years before she met me.... and prophesied to her that .....
she was going to travel all over the world working for Jesus.... and that her husband would go with her...... and that Jesus was going to give her a foreign husband...... (at that time she felt the foreign husband would be that her then husband would repent and stop chasing other women around but no.... .her then husband divorced her several years later for another woman)......... The foreign husband was me.... a Canadian..... just about the last country on earth that my Ecuadorian wife wanted to move to..........

Pastor Benny Hinn is genuinely gifted........

It makes a real difference when people go to an actual meeting and get an accurate prophecy that actually comes to pass. There would be thousands of others with the same experience as yours. It is a pity that people zero in on one or two error prophecies and rubbish the man's whole ministry and then construct a whole lot of fake news to discredit him. Also, about the prophecies that some label as fake. How long did it take for the prophecy over your wife take to be fulfilled? Not right away I'm guessing, so in the meantime anyone could have accused him of giving a false prophecy in your case, but at the right time it came to pass, proving the prophecy absolutely true!

Joel's prophecy about the coming of the Holy Spirit was not fulfilled until 800 years later at the day of Pentecost. People in his day could have understandably called him a false prophet because his prophecy did not come in their lifetime, nor in the life times of many generations after. But it did come to pass, and Peter quoted it as being fulfilled when he preached to the crowd.

So we have no way of knowing whether Benny's "false" prophecies will come to pass in our lifetimes or some time in the future. Future events will tell the story and if they do actually come to pass in the future, there will be a few with egg on their faces when they stand before Christ in glory.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

I want to say that I appreciate all the posts that have been made on this forum, both for and against. We brothers and sisters in Christ rub each other like sandpaper to smooth out the kinks in each other, and we learn from each other, probably more so from those who oppose than those who agree. Wouldn't it be boring if we all agreed with each other. Put 10 Christians in a room and you will get 10 different views on many aspects of doctrine. But we are all united that Jesus is a complete Saviour, we love Him and want to serve Him with joy and holiness of life. The purpose of our debates is not to change each other's beliefs or to cross over from one faith community to another. Good debating mostly ends in a stalemate, although my good mate Swordsman thinks he has checkmated me! Hahahahaha! We'll see about that! But it is the journey getting there. Someone called me the "professor" of the thread because I have a Mdiv. But the piece of paper means nothing to me. It hasn't made me a better person or any wiser. My wife still won't take me anywhere if I use my wacky sense of humour that could embarrass her. It was the three year journey with all the wonderful experiences, learning and people I met along the way. It is the same on this forum. I have "met" many great, interesting, challenging, supportive, brothers and sisters in the Lord since I first joined this forum and I love and appreciate you all, even the ones who think my speaking in tongues is babbling gibberish! I respect your opinion and I have mine, and I hope you enjoy and have fun debating with me as I do with you. Blessings to you all.

aiki · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Oh. Thanks for the compliment. Now when I step out of the shower and stand there in front of my full length mirror in all my glory, I will say to myself, "You are a professor! Hot dang!"

Uh huh. Knock yourself out.

Oscarr said:
Do you have a driver's licence. If you have, did you have to study a book of the road rules? Did you just glance at a few snippets, or did you closely study the whole lot? If you decided to go for your driving test after having just looked at a few snippets of the road rules, would you be surprised if your driving tester viewed you as a danger to man and beast on the road? We don't need to be academic to work that one out.

I can think of a better analogy: Imagine biting into a beautiful chocolate cake and tasting the flavour of vinegar. You're disappointed, of course, but think, "Just a bad slice. This lovely cake must taste as good as it looks." So, you try another mouthful of a different slice of the cake. It's just as bad. You try one more time with a third slice of cake but the flavour of vinegar is as strong in this slice as it was in the first one you tried. Do you try a fourth slice? You haven't tried the whole cake. Maybe there are some good bits you just haven't found yet. Surely the cake has at least a few tasty morsels. Is this sufficient reason to risk yet another mouthful of vinegar and disappointment? Only if you're an idiot. Go find a cake that tastes entirely delicious. There's absolutely no good reason to suffer the awfulness of the vinegary cake in the hopes of encountering something actually worth eating when perfectly good cakes are readily available. Surely, even an academic can see the common sense in this.

Oscarr said:
When you met your wife, did you get to know her by spending five minutes with her once a month, and then decide that she was the one for you? Or did you spend as much time as possible with her and she with you to really make sure that you want to spend the rest of your lives together?

But why would I bother to get to know Benny Hinn as I did my wife? My wife was immediately attractive me, the first time I met her. This gave me strong incentive to find out more about her, to get to know her better. Not so Benny Hinn. From the first video I saw of his ridiculous antics and cockeyed preaching, I was repulsed and recognized a man to be avoided, not pursued.

Oscarr said:
Get my point? So how well do you know Benny Hinn? Do you think you could get to know him better before making sweeping negative statements about him?

Except from what has been published in the popular media, I know nothing of Jeffrey Dahmer. But following your logic, I shouldn't think of him as the sociopathic serial killer that he is until I've spent a significant amount of time getting to know him. Get my point?

aiki · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
So, just adding to my previous comment, if there has been thousands of people around the world who are now stable church-going born again Christians because of Benny's ministry, and there are further thousands of believers whose lives were changed for the better through going to one of his meetings, then who would have the better impression of him. Those people, or the critics you are believing right now?

My older sister is a decades-long follower of Benny Hinn. And she is the most spiritually and doctrinally messed-up person that I know. Her children are likewise seriously messed-up and deeply antagonistic to the faith because of this man's wretched "ministry." The man is a nasty boil on the bottom of the Body of Christ. He needs to be lanced.

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