Why Does America Keep Losing Wars?

JIMINZ said:

The United States has not lost any war it has ever fought.

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You lost the War of 1812. Korea was a draw. Viet Nam was a complete rout.

buzuxi02 said:

Bottom line is the American military sux. WW2 was won by the Russians, and after Germany was already defeated the Americans decided to nuke civilians instead of fighting soldiers or signing a peace treaty in defeat.

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Comrade Putin?

America doesn't actually display their full power- if they did they could win every war they wanted. The problem with going crazy and just destroying entire countries is the people back home will get mad at the government for being so senseless and with all the immigrants from around the world in America it could cause a revolt among those in America from a certain country. Need an example? ISIS and islamist extremists.

You're talking about the war on terrorism I think. And I do see a diminished activity of terror attacks. The US is having less terror attacks since 911. Had the US not fought over seas we might see a nuke in our homeland killing millions and such or some other 911 type incident. But we don't. I think we should be thankful as good Christians of the sacrifices that soldiers have made for our benefit to preach freely our Christian beliefs in a free land. Something people are killed for overseas still.

JackRT said:

You lost the War of 1812. Korea was a draw. Viet Nam was a complete rout.

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Get real, and Korea and Viet Nam are the prime examples of my hole post.

dude99 said:

The US spends hundreds of billions of dollars on wars and sends thousands of soldiers around the world to fight in them, but it seems unable to translate all that might into anything that could be called victory.Why Does America Keep Losing Wars?

That is true and apart from a few very tiny poor nations, with basic military, the US has not outright won a war since WW2. The first Gulf War was a limited success and Saddam stayed longer in power than George H Bush.

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I have heard Americans tell me the opposite that they are the only Country that has never lost a war. I give them some examples and the tell me it doesn't count.

American foreign policy lately has been focused on turning the world into a democracy. The recent U.S. Military engagements, especially in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan, showed that the US aims at overthrowing dictators and change nations focibly. Invading or interfering with nations that have some issues with the US, is an overkill. For example, after 9/11, the U.S. military went to the Middle East with the intent to defeat terrorist groups threatening America. But Bush and the U.S. Government Many nations that the U.S. invaded or intervened in lately are very resistant to Western ideas, like ideas.
The job of our military is defending our nation and it's allies, not to shove Western ideas up the throats of third world nations that some people have never even heard of. It's bad for both America and the nation's that the military has intervened in lately. 16 years after the U.S. Military got deployed to the Iraq and Afganistan, the nation has wasted trillions of dollars and went into debt. Before the Americans overthrew Saddam Hussein, Iraq actually had more order than before the U.S. military invaded it after 9/11. Now, almost 15 years after the US, under Bush, had invaded Iraq and overthrown Saddam Hussein, the order of Iraq has deteriorated. ISIS has also risen at that same time because of the fall of order in Iraq.

American foreign policy lately has been focused on turning the world into a democracy. The recent U.S. Military engagements, especially in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan, showed that the US aims at overthrowing dictators and change nations focibly. Invading or interfering with nations that have some issues with the US, is an overkill. For example, after 9/11, the U.S. military went to the Middle East with the intent to defeat terrorist groups threatening America. But Bush and the U.S. Government decided to take a very bad step further and then the mission into an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Many nations that the U.S. invaded or intervened in lately are very resistant to Western ideas, like democracy.
The job of our military is defending our nation and it's allies, not to shove Western ideas up the throats of third world nations that some people have never even heard of. It's bad for both America and the nation's that the military has intervened in lately. 16 years after the U.S. Military got deployed to the Iraq and Afganistan, the nation has wasted trillions of dollars and went into debt. Before the Americans overthrew Saddam Hussein, Iraq actually had more order than before the U.S. military invaded it after 9/11. Now, almost 15 years after the US, under Bush, had invaded Iraq and overthrown Saddam Hussein, the order of Iraq has deteriorated. ISIS has also risen at that same time because of the fall of order in Iraq.

DamianWarS said:

I have heard Americans tell me the opposite that they are the only Country that has never lost a war. I give them some examples and the tell me it doesn't count.

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I am American and I can tell you that our military personnel are not that good. We just have advanced weapons technologies.

Have you noticed in this thread how it confirms we are not good warriors??? "Well, if we did this and that, and if this general did this and if the president didn' tie our hands we could have won".. But we didn't do that! And if Alexander the Great could have done this and that he could have reached China. And if the Byzantines didn't lose the recipe for their Greek fire they would still be around today etc etc.
The U.S. army was routed in the battle of the Ch'ongch'on river in Korea and the history books cover it up as one example of an inferior force decimating us.

Well truthfully America hasn’t been at war since WWII... which might explain why. Instead we get involved in these actions and skirmishes with no real clear cut goal.

There has not really been a full scale war wherein America or it's allies have been in serious danger or jeopardy---thus, what other purpose is there for the military then? Define "winning" then and at what sense does this apply to war and conflict in the world?

Has anyone here ever heard of the 'military industrial complex'? Lol, plus most wars are simply fought by proxies at this point, and rely on things like drones and such.

I believe most of the civilized worl thinks genocide is wrong at this point, mmkay.

War is a racket and too much money can be made at this point for it to really not exist altogether, but that is basically my thoughts lon fascism: terrible people kiling each other for profit. It could be said that perhaps the U.S has already conquered half of the world so it does not need to seriously fight in any wars since the advent of the atomic bomb. The only real threats to the U.S currently are Russia and China if it came down to a serious conflict.

Proxy Wars: Isis in a nutshell, thank the Bush family for half of the unrest that goes on in the Middle East.
Proxy war - Wikipedia

SaintCody777 said:

American foreign policy lately has been focused on turning the world into a democracy. The recent U.S. Military engagements, especially in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afganistan, showed that the US aims at overthrowing dictators and change nations focibly. Invading or interfering with nations that have some issues with the US, is an overkill. For example, after 9/11, the U.S. military went to the Middle East with the intent to defeat terrorist groups threatening America. But Bush and the U.S. Government decided to take a very bad step further and then the mission into an invasion to overthrow Saddam Hussein. Many nations that the U.S. invaded or intervened in lately are very resistant to Western ideas, like democracy.
The job of our military is defending our nation and it's allies, not to shove Western ideas up the throats of third world nations that some people have never even heard of. It's bad for both America and the nation's that the military has intervened in lately. 16 years after the U.S. Military got deployed to the Iraq and Afganistan, the nation has wasted trillions of dollars and went into debt. Before the Americans overthrew Saddam Hussein, Iraq actually had more order than before the U.S. military invaded it after 9/11. Now, almost 15 years after the US, under Bush, had invaded Iraq and overthrown Saddam Hussein, the order of Iraq has deteriorated. ISIS has also risen at that same time because of the fall of order in Iraq.

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I think the issue itself is quite complicated---often times when the U.S intervenes, it tries to put into place "Western" ideas of democracy, which is not altogether that removed from simply being an extension of it's own imperialism.

When I look at the world though, I wonder what exactly holds itself back from making progress. Many try to blame the U.S, but in atuality I wonder if that is altogether true.

But if you look at conflict in the world, it seems to be mostly the result of capitalism and big business. I don't think the U.S gives other countries of nations very many options, they simply much large industries into a country, give them the benefit or option of accepting or they'll simply not bother with them. Many of these countries are held back though by hesitation or lack of ability to make industrialization and thus they are stuck being unable to make progress whilst many times their countries are torn in part by rebelling factions, and warlords within their nations.

It's not only the U.S though, Russia is continually trying to simply expand it's borders with little end in sight, whilst China has I believe become a manufacturing giant and has had it's GNP rise to be one of the highest in the world.

dude99 said:

The US spends hundreds of billions of dollars on wars and sends thousands of soldiers around the world to fight in them, but it seems unable to translate all that might into anything that could be called victory.Why Does America Keep Losing Wars?

That is true and apart from a few very tiny poor nations, with basic military, the US has not outright won a war since WW2. The first Gulf War was a limited success and Saddam stayed longer in power than George H Bush.

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Maybe we have a different idea about what war is. The Americans were on the winning side of the war against the Kaiser, Nazis, the Cold war and now they are engaged in a war against Islamic terrorism and rogue states which is still open. In that kind of broad overview Vietnam was an American skirmish in the campaign against Communism - a war which NATO won. The two Gulf Wars, Afghanistan and ongoing activity in the Gulf and North Korea are battles within a broad generation long conflict which has yet to be resolved.

The American militarys strength is its resourcing, the weakness is to do with the political will of its government to fight to the end and the restrictions that it places on its military in a war. Basically if the number of body bags get too many or if America starts to look like the bad guy America tends to give up and go home even though the soldiers could probably have won the battles.

But perhaps the most important fact here is that America has never really had to defend itself from imminent invasion or takeover since the wars with the British and its own civil war. Pearl harbour, Indian wars and various conflicts with Spain and Mexico and even the two world wars were never real threats to the USA. The Cuban missile crisis came close and the threat of nuclear annihilation affected the nation deeply during the Cold war. But there was little chance of a Soviet success in a conventional invasion of the USA. People defending their homes are far more motivated as the Vietnamese proved.

discipler7 said:

The US have been losing the war against Communist terrorists and Muslim terrorists because the US do not apply the "law of ni4ni" and "all is fair in love and war".
... It is justified for convicted murderers to be executed.

If your opponent plays dirty, you should also play dirty. "It takes a thief to catch a thief" = the police should try to think like a thief, ie what would the thief be planning.

Seems, USA are still in the gentlemanly fighting mode of the 1861 Civil War between the North and South.

Eg when the North Vietnam/Vietcong Communist terrorists targeted/killed the civilians and targeted/destroyed the public infrastructures of South Vietnam, USA and South Vietnam should have retaliated the same against North Vietnam.

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The US did its worse to try to kill as many Vietnamese as they could. They had become like the enemy they were sent to fight. There were reports of American soldiers being demoralized. Jesus came to teach and heal. He taught parables of peaceful occupations like farming, fishing, sheep tending. He taught us murder is wrong and to not resist violence.

Just because one is American, does not automatically mean the person is a saint. American ambition to rule the world was opposed by people of other cultures and races who did not believe it was fair.

Did America win the Civil War? There are two sides to the story. War does not recognize human rights.

dude99 said:

The US spends hundreds of billions of dollars on wars and sends thousands of soldiers around the world to fight in them, but it seems unable to translate all that might into anything that could be called victory.Why Does America Keep Losing Wars?

That is true and apart from a few very tiny poor nations, with basic military, the US has not outright won a war since WW2. The first Gulf War was a limited success and Saddam stayed longer in power than George H Bush.

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It's called the Democratic party and those who support them. They were formed under Andy Jackson to oppose the ideal of America and that has never changed.

BlackSabbath said:

I think the issue itself is quite complicated---often times when the U.S intervenes, it tries to put into place "Western" ideas of democracy, which is not altogether that removed from simply being an extension of it's own imperialism.

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How about we just step back and let Canada handle things from now on?

mindlight said:

But there was little chance of a Soviet success in a conventional invasion of the USA. People defending their homes are far more motivated as the Vietnamese proved.

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US is surrounded by weak neighbors to north and south. Buffered on east and west by two largest oceans in the world defended by the largest navy and air force in existence with patriotic populace and largest amounts of private guns anywhere.

The logistics needed to invade US are astronomical. Amphibious landings needed to succeed would dwarf D-day. Planning and amassing forces for that operation took years, for successful invasion of US....the Soviets had about the same chances to successfully invade US as Zulus had of capturing London.

Macril said:

US is surrounded by weak neighbors to north and south. Buffered on east and west by two largest oceans in the world defended by the largest navy and air force in existence with patriotic populace and largest amounts of private guns anywhere.

The logistics needed to invade US are astronomical. Amphibious landings needed to succeed would dwarf D-day. Planning and amassing forces for that operation took years, for successful invasion of US....the Soviets had about the same chances to successfully invade US as Zulus had of capturing London.

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During WW2 the US general in charge of the defense of the west coast was asked if the Japanese could invade by first taking Alaska. He replied that it was indeed possible "but by the time they got down here they would all be citizens".

Not winning doesn't mean losing. If we're still fighting, we're still fighting- that doesn't mean it's a loss. With Obama out, hopefully we'll start gaining some ground in the war on terror.