Benny Hinn - True or False

nonaeroterraqueous · Jan 16, 2018

Sanoy said:
There is a saying I have heard many times that says "look for the tail".

I believe that's, "look for the tell." The tell is the non-verbal communication that someone gives you through their behavior, unconsciously, when they're lying to you with their words.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) · Jan 16, 2018

Can one person here even give me two biblical reasons why they think they should know this guy is legit or not?

Sanoy · Jan 16, 2018

nonaeroterraqueous said:
I believe that's, "look for the tell." The tell is the non-verbal communication that someone gives you through their behavior, unconsciously, when they're lying to you with their words.

Both are sayings, yours is more common. The one I mentioned comes from Marian Apparitions. There are a bunch of demonic ones ( I'll leave it at that) and the "look for the tail" comes from that. It comes from an idea that an evil Spirit can take any form but it can't do it completely and so leaves a bit of itself hanging out so to speak. Not necessarily a tail but a peculiarity of one sort or another.

swordsman1 · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
You have deliberately misquoted the Scripture deceptively because the rest of the reference describes a false messiah and false prophet but you have left them out because it doesn't suit your purpose. You either don't know the Scriputres or you are being deliberately deceptive in your misuse of Scripture.

No I haven't. Jesus said there would be both false messiahs AND false prophets in the last days. Maybe the jury is out on the former, but Hinn is definitely one of the latter.

Your hostile personal remarks are not welcome.

messianist · Jan 16, 2018

Postvieww said:
Let me add this thought and stir the pot a little more. Most every person , preacher, teacher , CHURCH DENOMINATION, who teaches , preaches or shares their views may have a little false doctrine in their belief system. Does that mean they are of the devil? NO! Why do we have so many differing doctrines? Are 99% wrong and only 1 has it right? I doubt it.

My opinion is God is looking for faithful people He can use , it may take Him some time to get all of our doctrine straightened out. That comes with study , prayer and time. One doesn’t get born again with a doctrinal perfection degree in hand . Some think they have it when they don’t.

It is human nature to not believe what you don’t understand. You wouldn’t believe what some so called brothers in Christ have said to me about my bodily healing. It’s sad sometimes how narrow minded some believers can be. Everyone knows it all and can point out the flaws in everyone’s doctrine, especially on a forum such as this.

Just food for thought!

It might be worth you reading Galatians chapter 1

1am3laine · Jan 16, 2018

I find that Benny Hinn does a GREAT JOB! He has a wonderful book called "Goodmorning Holy Spirit" that could help MANY PEOPLE with OCD Scrupulosity!

fhansen · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I have copied this thread from another forum to give a more general group of people from different denominations the opportunity to respond without getting themselves into trouble. I would appreciate if people didn't aim comments at me personally, but to comment on the issues instead. Then we can have a good, even if very spirited discussion for and against what I might be implying. Here is the post I entered in the other forum:

I know that there have been threads on this topic before and there has been quite a range of views, some very supportive, and others fairly harsh and unloving toward him.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.

A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.

Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.

I just thought I would chuck that into the pot and see what boils up.

People often tend to favor fooling themselves, if in so doing they can earn status and wealth. At best there's an uncomfortable mix of deception and faith at work with Mr Hinn in my opinion. In any case, born again or not, we're called to love him.

sdowney717 · Jan 16, 2018

Benny Hinn - A False Prophet
Anyone who says Jesus is making a physical appearance somewhere, well Jesus warned of these deceptions ahead of time that will be made by false christs and prophets to deceive.

Matthew 24
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Phil 1:21 · Jan 16, 2018

ToBeLoved · Jan 16, 2018

Sanoy said:
This emphasis I wish to place with that scripture is that the evil spirit was seemingly in a place of assisting the work of salvation. Paul did not cast it out at first but did so later. Not all Spirits are against salvation per say, many are more interested in their own personal issues and desires and will ride the church like a parasite even if some are turned to the Lord. These are very dangerous because they are so hard to see.

Can I ask where you get this theology from? And verses to support it?

As far as I know, there are angels/spirits of God and angels/spirits against God.

Whatever other classification you think there is, I see no Biblical proof. Is this only opinion?

Daniel Marsh · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I have copied this thread from another forum to give a more general group of people from different denominations the opportunity to respond without getting themselves into trouble. I would appreciate if people didn't aim comments at me personally, but to comment on the issues instead. Then we can have a good, even if very spirited discussion for and against what I might be implying. Here is the post I entered in the other forum:

I know that there have been threads on this topic before and there has been quite a range of views, some very supportive, and others fairly harsh and unloving toward him.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.

A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.

Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.

I just thought I would chuck that into the pot and see what boils up.

I do not know if he is a born again Christian or not, I do not know his heart.

Concerning the second question, my arms are too short to box with God.
But, I do think He is nuts.

Daniel Marsh · Jan 16, 2018

DW1980 said:
Hi

I think there's more to this than simply manifestations, he's preached false doctrine in the past - including that the Trinity has 9 persons in it! That for me is all I needed to know.

I have never heard that before, please document it. thanks.

aiki · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother?

I've only watched snippets of his antics and preaching over the years, but what I saw gives me good grounds to think the man is a money-grubbing charlatan whose doctrine is often ridiculous and dangerous. I doubt very much that the man is saved.

Oscarr said:
If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.

God's love does not tolerate our sin. His love is holy, and truthful, and right. If we love Benny Hinn with this sort of love, we ought to condemn and reject him (a little leaven leavens the whole lump) as the false teacher and avaricious huckster that he is and urge him to repent and be truly born-again.

Oscarr said:
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God?

I've never listened long enough to him to find out. But if he does, such teaching is confused and fouled by the torrent of nonsense that often spews from his mouth.

Oscarr said:
If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

It is the devil's common practice to mix truth with falsehood. Benny Hinn, from what I've seen, does just the same. A clever false teacher does not teach unbridled falsehood but like the devil speaks some truth, enough to lull the ignorant and unwary into trusting him, so that he might more easily feed them his lies. It does not follow, then, that if Benny teaches some truth, he is not, therefore, a false teacher.

Oscarr said:
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.

Not so. The shameful behaviour that goes on at Benny's meetings has nothing whatever to do with God. Jesus never carried on in such a manner. Neither did any of the apostles. And no where in the entire New Testament do any of the writers of it urge us to such frenzied, chaotic, and fleshly conduct. Instead, we read:

1 Corinthians 14:33
33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.

1 Corinthians 14:40
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

James 3:17-18
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Oscarr said:
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.

Only to a point. Benny Hinn isn't merely different or diverse, he is a liar and a false teacher who brings the name of Christ into disrepute, who blasphemes the Holy Spirit by attributing to him foolish and fleshly experiences in which he has no part whatever, and who leads silly and ignorant people into a horribly distorted and shameful system of religious doctrine.

All true believers are in a homogenizing process. God's aim with all of His children is that they wouldn't become increasingly distinct from one another but become more and more like Christ. (Ro. 8:29) As believers grow more and more mature, then, there should be an increasing similarity in their thinking and behaviour. I don't see this with Benny. If anything, he is more divergent, more outrageous in his conduct, than ever.

Oscarr said:
This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.

Um, no. Why don't you let Scripture speak for itself?

2 Peter 2:1-3
1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction.
2 And many will follow their destructive ways, because of whom the way of truth will be blasphemed.
3 By covetousness they will exploit you with deceptive words; for a long time their judgment has not been idle, and their destruction does not slumber.

2 Peter 2:9-10
9 then the Lord knows how to deliver the godly out of temptations and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment,
10 and especially those who walk according to the flesh in the lust of uncleanness and despise authority. They are presumptuous, self-willed. They are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries,

2 Peter 2:13-19
13 and will receive the wages of unrighteousness, as those who count it pleasure to carouse in the daytime. They are spots and blemishes, carousing in their own deceptions while they feast with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery and that cannot cease from sin, enticing unstable souls. They have a heart trained in covetous practices, and are accursed children.
15 They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he was rebuked for his iniquity: a dumb donkey speaking with a man's voice restrained the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds carried by a tempest, for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage.

I can see a lot of Benny Hinn in what the apostle Peter has written above. He fits very well this description of false teachers.

Oscarr said:
Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher.

"Unusual manifestations"? Utterly unbiblical ones, actually. Blasphemous ones. And likely demonic. You might want to check out the behaviour of practitioners of Kundalini yoga, who, in their pagan and occult practices "manifest" almost identically to those "slain in the Spirit" at Benny's awful events.

Oscarr said:
Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.

And where do you get this from in Scripture? I hope you're just playing Devil's Advocate here.

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Daniel Marsh · Jan 16, 2018

Original Happy Camper said:
I will answer your request of DW

Is there a text edition of this, I do not have speakers.

Sanoy · Jan 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
Can I ask where you get this theology from? And verses to support it?

As far as I know, there are angels/spirits of God and angels/spirits against God.

Whatever other classification you think there is, I see no Biblical proof. Is this only opinion?

That is bifurcated perfectly. However evil spirits are under their own point of suffering and others get something out of worship. From this very scripture it seems clear that they are willing to ride along with the church, doing things which would logically lead some to salvation to acquire their individual desires.

Daniel Marsh · Jan 16, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
He doesn't appear to be.

Satan preaches the lordship of Christ. It's the perfect foundation for his cause. If you really don't believe the false prophet/the beast will be teaching just that? I assure you, he will.

Where?

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

When did Satan get filled with the Spirit?

ToBeLoved · Jan 16, 2018

Sanoy said:
That is bifurcated perfectly. However evil spirits are under their point of suffering and others get something out of worship. From this very scripture it seems clear that they are willing to ride along with the church, doing things which would logically lead some to salvation to aqcuire their individual desires.

I asked for Biblical support & verses.

If you could please reply with that.

Sanoy · Jan 16, 2018

ToBeLoved said:
I asked for Biblical support & verses.

If you could please reply with that.

I did, Acts 16. It was quoted in full in the op. Post 12.

ToBeLoved · Jan 16, 2018

Daniel Marsh said:
Where?

1 Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

When did Satan get filled with the Spirit?

Great point!

I will add to that that we are to test the spirits by asking if Jesus Christ is Lord.

1 John 4 (ESV)
Test the Spirits
4 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

Archivist · Jan 16, 2018

The first time I looked I almost thought this thread was about the late, great Benny Hill. I noticed that it said Benny Hinn when I read the title a second time.

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