Benny Hinn - True or False

tampasteve · Jan 16, 2018

I do not know enough about his theology to comment on that portion. As for the manifestations of the Spirit by being slain, etc. I personally do not believe in that. I believe it is well meaning people getting caught up in the emotion and moment of the service, the mind is a powerful thing and open to much suggestion - mush as a hypnotist is not operating under the "Spirit" but can have a person do funny or odd things by suggestions. The person being hypnotized has to want to be hypnotized in order for it to work, much as these people being "slain in the Spirit" want to be slain. That does not make the person (Benny) or the participant false or evil, but perhaps abusing a natural human response and profiting from it.

swordsman1 · Jan 16, 2018

Benny Hinn is a verified false prophet. For example here are 6 false prophecies he makes in the space of 3 minutes!

Matthew 24:24 "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

Postvieww · Jan 16, 2018

Let me add this thought and stir the pot a little more. Most every person , preacher, teacher , CHURCH DENOMINATION, who teaches , preaches or shares their views may have a little false doctrine in their belief system. Does that mean they are of the devil? NO! Why do we have so many differing doctrines? Are 99% wrong and only 1 has it right? I doubt it.

My opinion is God is looking for faithful people He can use , it may take Him some time to get all of our doctrine straightened out. That comes with study , prayer and time. One doesn’t get born again with a doctrinal perfection degree in hand . Some think they have it when they don’t.

It is human nature to not believe what you don’t understand. You wouldn’t believe what some so called brothers in Christ have said to me about my bodily healing. It’s sad sometimes how narrow minded some believers can be. Everyone knows it all and can point out the flaws in everyone’s doctrine, especially on a forum such as this.

Just food for thought!

Kenny'sID · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother?

He doesn't appear to be.

Oscarr said:
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.

Satan preaches the lordship of Christ. It's the perfect foundation for his cause. If you really don't believe the false prophet/the beast will be teaching just that? I assure you, he will.

Oscarr said:
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false?

Falling over is false. No idea where Falling over in the spirit comes from, is that biblical or man made?

Oscarr said:
Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.

Not on your life. These people preach plenty of truth, they have to or they would be out of work, and goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

Oscarr said:
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it?

No

Oscarr said:
No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings.

Thank God it's normal and not for the reasons you mention.

Oscarr said:
We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.

Of course not...that has nothing to do with why he is not of God. By saying this is a matter of simple disagreement of theology is minimizing it, as I assume your intention is. There is nothing minimal about it...it's far from only about petty differences.

Oscarr said:
A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

OK, and if we say he is not born again, will the reply be, We "can't know that" hence he could be born again and as far as we know, is not a wolf? Please don't go there, it's a catch 22, that I'd rather not see thrown.

Oscarr said:
He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.

Absolutely untrue, he not only does, but will, promote whatever mix of things works best for him.

Oscarr said:
Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.

"Slain in the Spirit"? Is that like "falling over in the spirit"? can you please show me where those are biblical? Isn't slaying someone, killing them? This man has false teacher written all over him.

You mean "unusual manifestations" like fake healings? And you don't think God is very concerned about that?

Need I post more videos?

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

Sanoy said:
I think it is very much like what is going on in Acts 16.

16 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. 17 She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” 18 She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

What are saying here? Are you saying that Benny Hinn is a fortune teller?

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

Kenny'sID said:
He doesn't appear to be.

Satan preaches the lordship of Christ. It's the perfect foundation for his cause. If you really don't believe the false prophet/the beast will be teaching just that? I assure you, he will.

Falling over is. No idea where Falling over in the spirit comes from, is that biblical or man made?

Not on your life. These people preach plenty of truth, they have to or they would be out of work, and goodbye Yellow Brick Road.

No

Thank God it's normal and not for the reasons you mention.

Of course not...that has nothing to do with why he is not of God. By saying this is a matter of simple disagreement of theology is minimizing it, as I assume your intention is. There is nothing minimal about it...it's far from only about petty differences.

OK, and if we say he is not born again, will the reply be, We "can't know that" hence he could be born again and as far as we know, is not a wolf? Please don't go there, it's a catch 22, that I'd rather not see thrown.

Absolutely untrue, he not only does, but will, promote whatever mix of things works best for him.

"Slain in the Spirit"? Is that like "falling over in the spirit"? can you please show me where those are biblical? Isn't slaying someone, killing them? This man has false teacher written all over him.

You mean "unusual manifestations" like fake hearings? And you don't think God is very concerned about that?

Need I post more videos?

Are telling me that Satan preaches the Lordship of Christ? Good grief! Now I've heard it all! What you are saying is so far off beam that it is not worth replying to.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jan 16, 2018

swordsman1 said:
Benny Hinn is a verified false prophet. For example here are 6 false prophecies he makes in the space of 3 minutes!

Matthew 24:24 "For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect."

You have deliberately misquoted the Scripture deceptively because the rest of the reference describes a false messiah and false prophet but you have left them out because it doesn't suit your purpose. You either don't know the Scriputres or you are being deliberately deceptive in your misuse of Scripture.

Postvieww · Jan 16, 2018

tampasteve said:
As for the manifestations of the Spirit by being slain, etc. I personally do not believe in that. I believe it is well meaning people getting caught up in the emotion and moment of the service, the mind is a powerful thing and open to much suggestion -

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

Sanoy · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
What are saying here? Are you saying that Benny Hinn is a fortune teller?

This emphasis I wish to place with that scripture is that the evil spirit was seemingly in a place of assisting the work of salvation. Paul did not cast it out at first but did so later. Not all Spirits are against salvation per say, many are more interested in their own personal issues and desires and will ride the church like a parasite even if some are turned to the Lord. These are very dangerous because they are so hard to see.

Perhaps in this case the excentric and peculiar behavior gave it away for Paul as it accumulated over time. There is a saying I have heard many times that says "look for the tail". That is when something evil tries to make itself look good there is always a tail if you look at the whole thing. When it comes to false Charisms it always seems to involve eccentricities.

tampasteve · Jan 16, 2018

Postvieww said:
John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Sorry, but personally I do not equate what Benny Hinn is doing to the shock of what Jesus said to the mob and what happened to them. One is a parlor trick, more or less, one is an effect of the Son of G-d in manifest.

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

That was about people hearing the Word in their own language, not really the same thing as slain in the Spirit. Though of course it proves the power of G-d.

Kenny'sID · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
Are telling me that Satan preaches the Lordship of Christ? Good grief! Now I've heard it all! What you are saying is so far off beam that it is not worth replying to.

Of course.

Preachers that are not of God, are of Satan and they will style there beliefs however they have to in order to get paid. So, again, in order to use God in their scam, they have to pretend to agree with Gods word.

What is "off beam" is some people cannot see that at all...totally oblivious to the simple concept. How does any con man work? They tell us what we want to hear, ans play off our beliefs in this case. Do you really think they would even be taken seriously by those who are mesmerized by them if they didn't teach Jesus was what God said he was?

Now, will you answer my questions please?

Almost seems a though you are getting personal there. Doesn't bother me a bit, but wasn't that not supposed to be happening here according to you?

Postvieww · Jan 16, 2018

tampasteve said:
Sorry, but personally I do not equate what Benny Hinn is doing to the shock of what Jesus said to the mob and what happened to them. One is a parlor trick, more or less, one is an effect of the Son of G-d in manifest.

That was about people hearing the Word in their own language, not really the same thing as slain in the Spirit. Though of course it proves the power of G-d.

I have never been “slain” in the Spirit but the point here is if it really happens and I do not rule it out, it is not Benny Hinn or other men of God doing it. It would be the power of the Spirit behind it and that is precisely what happened in John 18.

The example in Acts was only to point out many people mock what they don’t understand.

tampasteve · Jan 16, 2018

Postvieww said:
I have never been “slain” in the Spirit but the point here is if it really happens and I do not rule it out, it is not Benny Hinn or other men of God doing it. It would be the power of the Spirit behind it and that is precisely what happened in John 18.

The example in Acts was only to point out many people mock what they don’t understand.

OK, I suppose I cannot disagree with what you are getting at. But I was not mocking, merely pointing out that people do get influenced by emotions and hypnotic states in "revivals" like Mr. Hinn's, so just because something looks like it might be from the Spirit, it also might not be. However, I do not believe that Mr. Hinn is using the power of the Spirit, but I freely admit that others can disagree. For clarity, neither was Jesus using the power of the Spirit in John 18, it was His power, not the power of the Spirit.

Almost there · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I have copied this thread from another forum to give a more general group of people from different denominations the opportunity to respond without getting themselves into trouble. I would appreciate if people didn't aim comments at me personally, but to comment on the issues instead. Then we can have a good, even if very spirited discussion for and against what I might be implying. Here is the post I entered in the other forum:

I know that there have been threads on this topic before and there has been quite a range of views, some very supportive, and others fairly harsh and unloving toward him.
The first question to be asked - Is he a born again Christian brother? If he is, then we have to love him as Christ loves us, because if we cannot love him like that, we know really know God at all, because God is pure love.
The next question I have is, does he preach the Lordship of Christ, the need to receive Christ as Saviour, the need to repent, and the necessity of living a holy life before God? If so, he cannot be a false preacher or teacher, because he is teaching the fundamentals of the Christian faith.
The next question is: are the manifestations of falling over in the Spirit and other manifestation associated with his ministry true or false? Well, if he is preaching truth as I have defined above, there is a good indication that the manifestations are true also.
Do we all agree with what he does and how he does it? No, and this is quite normal because we all have different perspectives and callings. We all do things differently, but because there is a diversity of gifts, callings and methods, that doesn't mean that just because we disagree, that it is actually false and not of God.

A false teacher or preacher is not a genuine born again believer in Christ. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He does not promote the Lordship of Christ, quite the opposite, he will promote New Age self dependence, and say that Number One is the most important person to be considered (by that I mean self, and self improvement). He will also promote liberalism in that it is not necessary to live a holy life, because Jesus forgave all sin, so it won't matter if we keep sinning. We won't be subject to any consequences if we sleep around, get involved in the occult, consult fortune tellers, because psychics can guide people just as well as the Holy Spirit. This is how the New Testament defines a false prophet, teacher, or preacher.

Just because a Charismatic preacher has unusual manifestations in his meetings and whole groups of people are slain in the Spirit, it doesn't mean that he is a false teacher. Actually, God is not very concerned about manifestations unless they are so out of control that they promote riotous living and lawlessness and a lack of self-control in people's daily living.

I just thought I would chuck that into the pot and see what boils up.

This may or may not apply. I don't know the man personally so it's hard to say.

OzSpen · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
I watched enough on YouTube of what Benny was getting at about the Trinity. Sounds quite logical to me. He is not saying there are three Gods He is saying that God is one inThree persons. Then he is comparing our triune spirit soul and body and saying that each person in the godhead is similar. That could very well be an error of speculation but it doesn't make him a false teacher. He does not incite or teach lawlessness so he cannot be a false teacher as the New Teatament describes a false teacher. Calvinists could say that Arminians are false teachers and Aminians could say the same about Calvinists. But they don't. David Koresh was a false teacher because he set himself up as the new messiah. I think that those who use this to discredit Benny have more deception in them than Benny has.

Oscarr,

Yes, he is a false teacher with his invention of Father, Son and Holy Spirit each having 3 more dimensions. See: Benny Hinn 9 in the Godhead - YouTube

It might sound quite logical to you, but it an invention of false teaching by Benny Hinn. It is a view of the Godhead found nowhere in Scripture and coming from Benny Hinn.

Oz

Postvieww · Jan 16, 2018

tampasteve said:
For clarity, neither was Jesus using the power of the Spirit in John 18, it was His power, not the power of the Spirit

Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Original Happy Camper · Jan 16, 2018

Oscarr said:
See my recent post. I don't think he is any worse than anyone else who makes a speculative statement about things that are not clearly explained in the Bible. Speculating over some obscurity doesn't make him false.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Postvieww · Jan 16, 2018

tampasteve said:
But I was not mocking, merely pointing out that people do get influenced by emotions and hypnotic states in "revivals" like Mr. Hinn's, so just because something looks like it might be from the Spirit, it also might not be.

I do not disagree that there are manifestations in some churches not from God. I have questioned a few myself in a church service, but it is the job of the pastor to deal with it. My only point is in this conversation is that it has been my experience many have ripped the supernatural right out of their bibles and anything they don’t understand “must be of the evil one”.

If your pastor brings in Benny Hinn and you don’t like him stay home and pray for Benny and your pastor.

I was in a service when a man of God walked up to me at the altar, laid his hand on me and told me of a physical ailment of which I had never spoken of to any man. He said God is healing you right now. God did and I am still healed. Now I have been questioned, how do you know that was from God? I believe it was Jesus who went around doing good and healing not the evil one. Anyway, many dispute things they do not understand or have not experienced. All I am saying here is people should be absolutely sure they know what they are talking about before starting a movement.

Healing and the gifts of the Spirit are absolutely in scripture but many have been taught that it all went away and is no longer valid and if a miracle happens it must be of the devil . They will argue till they are blue in face but it is too late to convince me of that nonsense. God is a God of miracles that has never changed. If one doesn’t believe miracles are possible and for us today except for the mercy of God they probably will never see one.

tampasteve · Jan 16, 2018

Postvieww said:
I do not disagree that there are manifestations in some churches not from God. I have questioned a few myself in a church service, but it is the job of the pastor to deal with it. My only point is in this conversation is that it has been my experience many have ripped the supernatural right out of their bibles and anything they don’t understand “must be of the evil one”.

Agreed, but I did not say all supernatural was evil, I do not believe that. I simply mean that this case is not of G-d, so far as we can tell, and that there is a perfectly natural explanation for it.

I was in a service when a man of God walked up to me at the altar, laid his hand on me and told me of a physical ailment of which I had never spoken of to any man. He said God is healing you right now. God did and I am still healed. Now I have been questioned, how do you know that was from God? I believe it was Jesus who went around doing good and healing not the evil one. Anyway, many dispute things they do not understand or have not experienced. All I am saying here is people should be absolutely sure they know what they are talking about before starting a movement.

Thank you for your testimony, who would I be to say it did not happen? I would not do so.

Healing and the gifts of the Spirit are absolutely in scripture but many have been taught that it all went away and is no longer valid and if a miracle happens it must be of the devil . They will argue till they are blue in face but it is too late to convince me of that nonsense. God is a God of miracles that has never changed. If one doesn’t believe miracles are possible and for us today except for the mercy of God they probably will never see one.

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I believe in miracles and in acts of G-d, I do not believe that they went away with the Apostles.

I really feel like you are putting words in my writing that are not there. I simply said that I do not believe that Benny Hinn's slaying are biblical or of the Spirit. I did not extrapolate that to all miracles.

Postvieww · Jan 16, 2018

tampasteve said:
I really feel like you are putting words in my writing that are not there.

That was not my intention. I apologize if it appeared that way.

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