New Testament Promises of Israel’s Restoration

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Based on what Jesus told the woman at the well about not worshiping in Jerusalem and Hebrews 11:15-16, I have no future plans to visit the middle east on this rotten, sin-cursed word.
I am looking for the same heavenly city that Abraham is now looking for.
What Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, was a reference to the Christian era.
John 4:23 The time is coming, indeed is already here, when true worshippers will worship God is spirit and in truth. Not on Mt Zion or in Jerusalem, exactly as has been the case for the last nearly 2000 years: Christians all around the world.
That era is almost over and in order for God to fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs, all their descendants, physical [which by now could be practically anyone alive] and spiritually, [by faith] will be gathered as many prophesies tell us and will live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
That you and most Christians cannot see this truth, is because of belief in false teachings.
Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Corinthians 1:19-20, +
 
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What Jesus said to the Samaritan woman, was a reference to the Christian era.
John 4:23 The time is coming, indeed is already here, when true worshippers will worship God is spirit and in truth. Not on Mt Zion or in Jerusalem, exactly as has been the case for the last nearly 2000 years: Christians all around the world.
That era is almost over and in order for God to fulfil His promises to the Patriarchs, all their descendants, physical [which by now could be practically anyone alive] and spiritually, [by faith] will be gathered as many prophesies tell us and will live in peace and prosperity in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 66:18b-21, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
That you and most Christians cannot see this truth, is because of belief in false teachings.
Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Corinthians 1:19-20, +

Do you see us living on this earth in an environment where there will be no sin?

How long will this last?

When will the New Heavens and the New Earth come to pass, which Peter was looking for in 2 Peter 3:10-13 ?


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Do you see us living on this earth in an environment where there will be no sin?

How long will this last?

When will the New Heavens and the New Earth come to pass, which Peter was looking for in 2 Peter 3:10-13 ?
No, The Bible says the Lord's faithful people will live in the holy Land, where they elect their own leaders. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11
After about 15 years and all that is prophesied to happen, then Jesus will Return as King of the world for 1000 years.
Then there will be the Judgement of everyone who has ever lived and Eternity will commence.

At no stage does the Bible say sin will not be an option. Zechariah 14:16-21 and Revelation 22:15 both say there will be sinners present.

The NHNE happens when Revelation 21:1-7 says it will. after the Millennium and the GWT Judgement.
 
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No, The Bible says the Lord's faithful people will live in the holy Land, where they elect their own leaders. Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11
After about 15 years and all that is prophesied to happen, then Jesus will Return as King of the world for 1000 years.
Then there will be the Judgement of everyone who has ever lived and Eternity will commence.

At no stage does the Bible say sin will not be an option. Zechariah 14:16-21 and Revelation 22:15 both say there will be sinners present.

The NHNE happens when Revelation 21:1-7 says it will. after the Millennium and the GWT Judgement.

Much confusion is often produced by a failure to interpret the Old Testament through the eyes of the New Testament authors.

I cannot find a New Testament author who says all Christians will one day live in earthly Jerusalem.
In Galatians chapter 4 Paul says the Jerusalem which is above is the mother of us all, instead of the city of bondage.
Can you show us any clear indication in the New Testament that the city of bondage will one day be our home?

Christ said we will not worship in earthly Jerusalem in John chapter 4 and we find in Hebrews 11:15-16 that our home is the heavenly city.
The text says that Abraham does not desire to return to the middle east.


On the road to Emmaus the risen Savior made it clear that the whole Old Testament is about Him.
Luke 24:25-27




Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

In the passage above the wicked will be without the city, because they will be in hell.

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The earthly Jerusalem began to be trampled by the gentiles when it was conquored in 70 A.D.

The trampling began much earlier, specifically when Jerusalem was desolated by Babylon. When there was no one to sit on the davidic throne. From that point on physical Jerusalem would be trampled 1st by Babylon, 2nd by Persia/Mede, 3rd by Greece, and lastly by Rome.

However, with the old covenant officially done away with, and Christ the mediator of a much better covenant, who is a priest after the order of Melchizedek (meaning both king and high priest), we now come to the heavenly Jerusalem, where Christ sits in throne of his father as king.

The heavenly Jerusalem which is above and free can never be trampled by the nations.
 
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The trampling began much earlier, specifically when Jerusalem was desolated by Babylon. When there was no one to sit on the davidic throne. From that point on physical Jerusalem would be trampled 1st by Babylon, 2nd by Persia/Mede, 3rd by Greece, and lastly by Rome.

However, with the old covenant officially done away with, and Christ the mediator of a much better covenant, who is a priest after the order of Melchizedek (meaning both king and high priest), we now come to the heavenly Jerusalem, where Christ sits in throne of his father as king.

The heavenly Jerusalem which is above and free can never be trampled by the nations.

You are failing to differentiate between "we" and "they." Everything yo say about "us" is correct. But the Lord has made explicitly stated promises to the nation of Israel, as well a to its sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, and to each of the twelve tribes of Israel individually, as well as to the physical land of Israel and to the city of Jerusalem, and to numerous individuals from that nation. If ALL of these promises are not kept, then God is either a liar or unable to fulfill His promises. And I do not think even you would be willing to accept either of these alternatives.
 
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You are failing to differentiate between "we" and "they."

There is no us or they. There is only Christ. Christ is the heir to the promises of God.

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Galatians 3:16

The only reason we inherit anything is because we are a part the body of Christ

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:28-29

And apart from the body of Christ, no one inherits anything, not even th Old Testament saints.

And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 11:39-40

But the Lord has made explicitly stated promises to the nation of Israel, as well a to its sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, and to each of the twelve tribes of Israel individually, as well as to the physical land of Israel and to the city of Jerusalem, and to numerous individuals from that nation.

God fulfilled his land promise to the 12 tribes of Israel under the old covenant

Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there.
Joshua 21:43

The old covenant was never meant to be permanent. It was only a picture of Christ meant to guide the Israelites and show them the greater spiritual promises that are found in Him.

For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.
Hebrews 10:1

These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:17

And the old covenant did pass away

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13

The physical land of the promise was only a picture of the true heavenly land that we now come to.

But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 11:16

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
Hebrews 12:22

Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Galatians 4:25-26,30-31

It is never the natural that is second. Just as the body is first natural and then secondly spiritual, so the promises of God. He did fulfill the promises physically under th old covenant with Israel. But this is only a picture of the greater spiritual realities, of which God fulfills in Christ.

But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:46

God often uses earthly things as a picture of greater spiritual truths. If we don’t understand these earthly pictures, how can we ever understand the heavenly reality.

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
John 3:12

 
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If ALL of these promises are not kept, then God is either a liar or unable to fulfill His promises.

Agree, then the God of abraham is a false God.

But blessed be God our creator who keeps his word and became flesh so that all the promises of God are yes in Christ.

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.
2 Corinthians 1:20

And because we are one flesh with Christ, his body, as the wife and husband are one flesh, one body....

“Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church.
Ephesians 5:31-32

Then we are heirs of the promises of God.

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:28-29

Glory forever to our God who has done it all, so that we may not even boast in anything, except Christ!
 
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You are failing to differentiate between "we" and "they." Everything yo say about "us" is correct. But the Lord has made explicitly stated promises to the nation of Israel, as well a to its sub-nations of Judah and Ephraim, and to each of the twelve tribes of Israel individually, as well as to the physical land of Israel and to the city of Jerusalem, and to numerous individuals from that nation.

The Apostle Paul corrected Peter for doing what you have done above.
Peter was treating the Gentiles differently than the Jews.

Your statement is based upon a purely arbitrary claim about who is "we" and who is "they", which could only be based on a DNA analysis.

Millions of people all around the world are direct descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and do not claim to be Jewish.
The Northern Tribes were carried into captivity and scattered long before the time of Christ.
Do you think they did not intermarry and spread all over the globe?

Your doctrine is based on a genealogy which has in fact no resemblance to reality.

How much of Abraham's DNA do we need to inherit the promises that you keep referring to ?




1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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I do apologize for that, Brother.

However, we have new people here on a regular basis, who have never heard it before.

I promise to be patient with what you may have posted before.

70 x 7


Based on what Jesus told the woman at the well about not worshiping in Jerusalem and Hebrews 11:15-16, I have no future plans to visit the middle east on this rotten, sin-cursed word.
I am looking for the same heavenly city that Abraham is now looking for.
I hope you will forgive me for this.
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Hebrews 11:6-16; Hebrews 11:39-40; by faith these all died not having yet received the promises.
 
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Yes, but not all Israelites, according to the flesh, are Israel
Romans 9:6-8
is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are Abraham’s descendants are they all his children. On the contrary, “Through Isaac your offspring will be reckoned.”a 8So it is not the children of the flesh who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as offspring

It is ONLY THE REMNANT of Israel that was chosen by the grace of God that was saved.

Romans 9:27
27Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
ONLY the remnant will be saved.

The remnant of Israel was not saved all at once, but over many years.
Acts 2:41
41
Those who embraced his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to the believers that day.
Acts 9:3-4
As Saul drew near to Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?”
Acts 28:23-24
they set a day to meet with Paul, and many people came to the place he was staying. He expounded to them from morning to evening, testifying about the kingdom of God and persuading them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and the Prophets. Some of them were convinced by what he said, but others refused to believe.

By the time of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman armies, as prophesied in the OT and by Christ, ALL of remnant Israel was saved, and thereby ALL Israel saved, as those not of the remnant are not Israel.

This is clearly seen through Romans 11-9


1.) Only the remnant of Israel is saved
Romans 9:27
Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the Israelites is like the sand of the sea,
ONLY the remnant will be saved.
2.) Not all of Israel is Israel
Romans 9:6
It is not as though God’s word has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
3.) All Israel saved.
Romans 11:26
And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written
Not all, only a remnant 2 Kings 19:31; Psalms 48:2 Where God will dwell, Zechariah 2:10
 
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Not all, only a remnant 2 Kings 19:31; Psalms 48:2 Where God will dwell, Zechariah 2:10

That was my point. I agree.
Only the remnant is true Israel. Thus by God saving the remnant he saves all Israel.
 
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I cannot find a New Testament author who says all Christians will one day live in earthly Jerusalem.
Romans 9:24-26 says the Christians will gather in the very place, that it was told to ancient Israel that they were no longer God's children.

Revelation 7:9 shows the vast multitude of the faithful Christians gathered before the Lamb, who is on Mt Zion. Revelation 14:1, 2 Thessalonians 1:10
Believing that they are in heaven, is just a tenet of the false rapture theory.

And if people could get their heads around what God is actually trying to achieve with recalcitrant humans, is to have a people in the holy Land, who will be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Ephesians 5:8-9
THAT IS OUR DESTINY and our great privilege!
 
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Romans 9:24-26 says the Christians will gather in the very place, that it was told to ancient Israel that they were no longer God's children.

Revelation 7:9 shows the vast multitude of the faithful Christians gathered before the Lamb, who is on Mt Zion. Revelation 14:1, 2 Thessalonians 1:10
Believing that they are in heaven, is just a tenet of the false rapture theory.

And if people could get their heads around what God is actually trying to achieve with recalcitrant humans, is to have a people in the holy Land, who will be His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Ephesians 5:8-9
THAT IS OUR DESTINY and our great privilege!


Hos 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

We know this did happen in the case of Cornelius and his family, in the middle east.

However, that does not mean my destination is the middle east.

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However, that does not mean my destination is the middle east.
So are you one who is having harp lessons, in anticipation of sitting on the clouds while the earth gets tribulation?
Just what do you think God wants of His people and His holy Land?
 
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So are you one who is having harp lessons, in anticipation of sitting on the clouds while the earth gets tribulation?
Just what do you think God wants of His people and His holy Land?

I thought you knew me better than that.

Do you think a piece of land in the middle east on this rotten, sin-cursed world is holier than your backyard, based on the verses below?


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

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I thought you knew me better than that.

Do you think a piece of land in the middle east on this rotten, sin-cursed world is holier than your backyard, based on the verses below?
No: your posts are quite varied and you seem to change your tack sometimes.

The holy Land is important to God; Deuteronomy 11:11-12 and Isaiah 49:14-21 makes it clear that the area given the Abraham, so long ago, will be cleared of evildoers and re-inhabited by the Lord's faithful people. Psalms 69:32-36
 
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There is no us or they. There is only Christ. Christ is the heir to the promises of God.

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
Galatians 3:16

The only reason we inherit anything is because we are a part the body of Christ

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:28-29

And apart from the body of Christ, no one inherits anything, not even th Old Testament saints.

And all these, though commended through their faith, did not receive what was promised, since God had provided something better for us, that apart from us they should not be made perfect.
Hebrews 11:39-40



God fulfilled his land promise to the 12 tribes of Israel under the old covenant

Thus the Lord gave to Israel all the land that he swore to give to their fathers. And they took possession of it, and they settled there.
Joshua 21:43

The old covenant was never meant to be permanent. It was only a picture of Christ meant to guide the Israelites and show them the greater spiritual promises that are found in Him.

For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.
Hebrews 10:1

These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.
Colossians 2:17

And the old covenant did pass away

In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Hebrews 8:13

The physical land of the promise was only a picture of the true heavenly land that we now come to.

But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.
Hebrews 11:16

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
Hebrews 12:22

Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman shall not inherit with the son of the free woman.” So, brothers, we are not children of the slave but of the free woman.
Galatians 4:25-26,30-31

It is never the natural that is second. Just as the body is first natural and then secondly spiritual, so the promises of God. He did fulfill the promises physically under th old covenant with Israel. But this is only a picture of the greater spiritual realities, of which God fulfills in Christ.

But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1 Corinthians 15:46

God often uses earthly things as a picture of greater spiritual truths. If we don’t understand these earthly pictures, how can we ever understand the heavenly reality.

If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
John 3:12

Everything you have said here is directly contrary to a multitude of scriptures.
 
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Everything you have said here is directly contrary to a multitude of scriptures.
That’s a very generic statement. I could say the exact same about you. Instead, show how it is wrong.
 
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No: your posts are quite varied and you seem to change your tack sometimes.

The holy Land is important to God; Deuteronomy 11:11-12 and Isaiah 49:14-21 makes it clear that the area given the Abraham, so long ago, will be cleared of evildoers and re-inhabited by the Lord's faithful people. Psalms 69:32-36

The problem is that Hebrews 11:15-16 says the exact opposite.

Jesus told the woman at the well the exact opposite.

Paul says the exact opposite in Galatians chapter 4, when he compares the Jerusalem that is above, to the city of "bondage".

We find earthly Jerusalem compared to Sodom in Revelation chapter 11.

Will we be given a piece of land on the New Earth?


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