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John 19:28. Later, knowing that all was now completed, and so that the Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, "I am thirsty." 29. A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus' lips. 30. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
31. Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath[s.] Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath[s,] they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32. The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33. But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36. These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken," 37. and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."

The Burial of Jesus
38. Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. 39. He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. 40. Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41. At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42. Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.



Luke 23:55 - 56. The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
 
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You are ignoring what the scriptures say. There were two calendars in use in Christ day, the Hellenistic Lunar Calendar, and the Biblical Solar Calendar of 364 days a year.
Which one do you think Christ and the disciples used?

I am not ignoring what the scriptures say...you are.
 
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31. Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath[s.] Because the Jews did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath[s,] they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. 32. The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33. But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. 34. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus' side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water. 35. The man who saw it has given testimony, and his testimony is true. He knows that he tells the truth, and he testifies so that you also may believe. 36. These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: "Not one of his bones will be broken," 37. and, as another scripture says, "They will look on the one they have pierced."

The Burial of Jesus
38. Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus. Now Joseph was a disciple of Jesus, but secretly because he feared the Jews. With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. 39. He was accompanied by Nicodemus, the man who earlier had visited Jesus at night. Nicodemus brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about seventy-five pounds. 40. Taking Jesus' body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs. 41. At the place where Jesus was crucified, there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb, in which no one had ever been laid. 42. Because it was the Jewish day of Preparation and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.



Luke 23:55. The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed Joseph and saw the tomb and how his body was laid in it. 56. Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.

What is your point. the day of preparation is always Friday. Shabbat is Saturday.
 
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First fruits was observed the third day after Passover and the second day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.



Christ Is Firstfruits Of The Resurrection

The Feast of Unleavened Bread is a feast that is often mistaken for Passover. Passover is one 24 hour period, while the Feast of Unleavened Bread lasts for seven days. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is also a rest day where no work is to be done. That would also exclude attending a grave site to prep a body on the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Passover was always on the Seventh Day of Rest, Preparation Day was always the day before, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread was always the day after the Sabbath Day of Rest and the Passover. A biblical definition of firstfruits would include the first of most anything that come from the ground or animals. The people would go home on Monday and gather their offerings and bring it back to the temple.


Luke 23:56.

Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.


The biblical calendar is a 364 day a year calendar, which places the holidays on the same day of the week every year. When Christ was hung on the stake, both calendars were in use; the Biblical Calendar, and the Civil Hebrew Calendar. Which calendar do you think Christ and the disciples used; the Biblical Calendar, or the Civil Hebrew Calendar?




All three of these holidays involved firstfruit offerings at the Temple.



  • Passover was in the early spring, and it included firstfruits from the first harvest of barley.
  • Shavuot was in the late spring, and it included firstfruits from the wheat harvest. Among the many different offerings given, was a "wave offering" of two loaves of leavened bread. This was also a firstfruits offering.
Sukkot was in the fall, and it was the final harvest which included firstfruits of olives and grapes.


The feast day of Un-Leavened Bread was always on a Sunday when using the Biblical Calendar. That particular Sunday was also a REST DAY where no work was to be done. The women would not have attended his body that day because it was against the law.


Luke 23:56
Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment. The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread


Exodus 12:16
On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat; that is all you may do.


1 Corinthians 15:20
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.


1 Corinthians 15:23
But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.


The Firstfruits offering was on Monday after Unleavened Bread.



Passover Sabbath

Mark 16:1

When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of Jacob, and Salome, they (had / AIT) bought spices so that they might go to anoint Yahshua's body.


Luke 23:56

Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandments.


Luke 24:1

On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb.

The word "day" is not in the original text.

John 19:40

Taking Yahshua’s’ body, the two of them wrapped it, with the spices, in strips of linen. This was in accordance with Jewish burial customs.


First fruits was observed the third day after Passover and the second day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The resurrection was the first part of the week, not the first day.
 
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The feast day of Un-Leavened Bread was always on a Sunday when using the Biblical Calendar. That particular Sunday was also a REST DAY where no work was to be done. The women would not have attended his body that day because it was against the law.


Luke 23:56
Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment. The Passover and the Festival of Unleavened Bread


Exodus 12:16
On the first day hold a sacred assembly, and another one on the seventh day. Do no work at all on these days, except to prepare food for everyone to eat; that is all you may do.

First fruits was observed the third day after Passover and the second day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

The resurrection was the first part of the week, not the first day.

LOL, repeating 1+1=5 does not make it true
 
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The first part of the week is Sunday to Tuesday. The first of the week after the Sabbaths (Plural) is Monday evening.

You say the first of the week is Sunday to Tuesday...then you say it is Monday LOL...
 
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You say the first of the week is Sunday to Tuesday...then you say it is Monday LOL...
The first of the week AFTER the Sabbaths is Monday. The FIRST PART of the week is Sunday to Tuesday. Christ resurrection came after Monday evening.
 
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The first of the week AFTER the Sabbaths is Monday. The FIRST PART of the week is Sunday to Tuesday. Christ resurrection came after Monday evening.

LOL, um yeah, OK...Monday is the day after Saturday
 
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LOL, um yeah, OK...Monday is the day after Saturday

Christ was placed in the grave Friday evening, so how long is 72 hr from Friday evening? What day of the week would his resurrection occur to fulfill his prophecy?


Jonah 1:17
Now the Lord provided a huge fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
 
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Christ was placed in the grave Friday evening, so how long is 72 hr from Friday evening? What day of the week would his resurrection occur to fulfill his prophecy?


Jonah 1:17
Now the Lord provided a huge fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Again, you seem to need to ignore where Yeshua said MULTIPLE times "IN 3 DAYS" and "ON THE 3rd DAY". You are twisting Scripture to fit your scenario...you do understand that ANY part of a day is considered as the whole in Judaism? Look up Synecdoche.
 
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In all your debating, how do you guys know that the weekly Sabbath and the Special Sabbath, were not concurrent that week end? They do not have to be consecutive, or is it just being assumed?
 
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In all your debating, how do you guys know that the weekly Sabbath and the Special Sabbath, were not concurrent that week end? They do not have to be consecutive, or is it just being assumed?
It was Preparation Day before the weekly Sabbath began.
 
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Again, you seem to need to ignore where Yeshua said MULTIPLE times "IN 3 DAYS" and "ON THE 3rd DAY". You are twisting Scripture to fit your scenario...you do understand that ANY part of a day is considered as the whole in Judaism? Look up Synecdoche.

Three days and three nights is 72 hours.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
 
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Three days and three nights is 72 hours.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Not three days and three nights is NOT always 72 hours. Further more, three days and three nights is somethings a euphamism for three days, as in any part of three days.
 
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Not three days and three nights is NOT always 72 hours. Further more, three days and three nights is somethings a euphamism for three days, as in any part of three days.
The wording is literal.
 
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Three days and three nights is 72 hours.

Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Three days isn't. You obviously are stuck on 72 hrs for some odd reason...
 
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