Your interpretation =/= What the scripture means

SBC said:

Jerry kelso, Buzz_B ~

You both are quite amusing.

You can THINK for me and SPEAK for me, then SPEAK in you own WORDS, how my THOUGHTS, (that you have decided for me), how my SPEECH (that you have decided for me), is wrong, is untruthful, is blind, is not warranted to be IN Christ.....

Perhaps you should TRY Harder, to pay attention to what another actually DOES SAY, for themselves, and QUOTE THEIR WORDS, instead of THINKING and SPEAKING FOR THEM!

Trust, Scripture is True.
Trust, the Word of God is True.
Trust, God gives His Understanding OF HIS OWN WORD.

IF that IS NOT to your agreement, Take up your grips with God, not me. (Jerry!)

IF you Buzz, are in agreement with Jerry, pay attention who has qualified himself to think (she thinks, she believes, but void of my words saying such) and speak for me, and land your ciriticism on the one who has qualified himself to think and speak for me, because it happens to be the ONE WHO, by his own testimony, DOES NOT AGREE, all Scripture IS TRUE as it is stated, and that Understanding of Gods Word CAN be figured out, via the Art of Hermeneutics.

Call it by whatever fancy name you choose...matters none to me.

I don't teach or Testify to follow after what men do. Nor do I have to follow after men, simply because they criticize when I reject what they do.

Col 2:8
BEWARE lest ANY man spoil you THROUGH philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT AFTER CHRIST.

2 Time 2:7
Consider what I say; and THE LORD GIVE THEE UNDERSTANDING IN ALL THINGS.

Jerry, stop asking ME to give you understanding, what does this mean, what does that mean.....you have been told umpteen times....

Trust the SCRIPTURE IS TRUE.
SEEK GOD FOR HIS UNDERSTANDING OF HIS OWN WORD!

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It is not that totally agree or totally disagree with either of you. I think you both speak with correctness and more in common than not.

The thing which gives me the most hope for the best of others is when I can see that they absolutely will not intentionally lie to win their points. I can see that in you with little difficulty and I believe I see that also in Jerry. From there it is just a matter of having civil discussion and willing effort to get past each others want of communication skills. We all struggle a bit to fine tune our ability to communicate more efficiently. But when we are sincere our love eventually overcomes that obstacle. And as we grow closer and closer to that point of overcoming we begin to realize that our differences in communications skills were really made to be very small obstacles by the power of the love we have learned from our so very wise God. All credit to God for his great love and wisdom matter not what effort it took on our part to cooperate with HIS love and wisdom.

You may or may not be the same person as razzelflabben, but that basic honesty in her is what drew me to feel that faith of godly love toward her. I sincerely believe she cares and that she loves God with all her heart. And even while we are imperfect that makes one very beautiful to me.

I see that beauty in you. And I have no doubt God will get us where we need to go.

SBC said:

Jerry ~ First one has to decide FOR HIMSELF, If he is willing to TRUST Scripture IS TRUE.

The "TRUTH" of what Jesus meant is an odd phrase.
Either one BELIEVES Jesus IS the Truth, the Word of God IS the Truth, Scripture IS the Truth and What the Word of God means IS the Truth...
Or not.

The CONTEXT of the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes (blessings), is clearly written, for YOU to read and Believe, or not.

The REVEALING is Jesus SPEAKING something NEW, regarding the Condition and Results, concerning a man.

What WAS applicable to a man, of a LEGAL system of Laws, is NOW being taught, the OFFERING of a NEW LIFE for man.

A system of LAWS, were given to the Hebrews/Jews.

NOW, a NEW LIFE, is given to ANYMAN, who chooses to ACCEPT a NEW LIFE.

This NEW LIFE, offered to ANYMAN, did NOT destroy the system of Laws, given to the Hebrews/Jews.

This NEW LIFE, so offered, to ANYMAN, IS Any man's OWN freewill to Accept it, OR NOT.

This NEW LIFE, Jesus teaches, what Conditions, WILL APPLY to them.

The CONDITIONS....inanutshell...

IS about their LIFE, being ABOUT GOD.

IT IS a change FROM, an individuals LIFE, being ABOUT THEMSELVES.

Matt 15:16
And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?

God Bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1. By your form of interpretation you would interpret the Sun-Clothed Woman would be a real woman wearing the sun and the dragon would be a real dragon trying to rule over governments with human abilities.
You said 1Corinthians 15:31 was just guessing and it didn't matter to you. If you thought that way about the rest of scripture you'd be an atheist.

2. The Sermon on The Mount was under the Law of Moses not the New Covenant Hebrews 9:16-17.
So Christ wasn't saying nothing new. His teachings were not New Covenant for the testator had to die and rise again first.
The Jews didn't understand what the death, burial and resurrection was because Jesus never taught that and even after Israel rejected Christ Matthew 23:37-39 they didn't understand John 6: 53-70 and Matthew 16:21-23 Peter didn't understand. That's your first mistake.

3. Jesus wasn't teaching something new. For example, adultery was wrong and had a penalty of stoning under the law. Those that looked after a woman with lust with eyes has already committed it in their hearts so he was pointing to the their real heart. Lusting in your mind about a woman was wrong under the law for they were not to covet another woman or another's wife.
Your second mistake.

4. The reason Jesus gave the Sermon on the Mount was because the Jews were backslidden in their covenant and had to repent.
Matthew 5:1; Blessed are they that mourn which means to repent.
The Jews had to do something to attain something to achieve the KoH reign on earth. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.
They had to be pure in heart and hunger and thirst after righteousness etc. to be righteous according to the law of Moses.
They had to be peacemakers and they weren't for they had 28 insurrections against the Roman government.
This was all about repenting because they were backslidden in their Covenant of law and the purpose and destiny was all about taking their position at the head of the nations in the KoH over the earth Isaiah 2:2-4;9:6-7 etc.

5. In order to receive the kingdom was repenting which was the spiritual aspect of the KoG Matthew 6:33 and Luke 17:20-21.
Seek ye first the KoG and his righteousness and lo, the KoG comes without observation and the KoG is within you.
KoH was the physical Kingdom on earth and the spiritual aspect of the KoG was about salvation.

6. It is true that we are not under the law of Moses. However, the system of laws of the Jews are not in the new covenant in the same manner as under the Old Covenant.
The moral laws were before the law of Moses and is in the New Covenant.
The moral system under the law had specific blessings and curses that we are not under.
We are blessed and set in heavenly places Ephesians 1:3 and the curse has been lifted Galatians 3:13.
The Civil law was administered by the Jewish Sanhedrin and we are not under their rule.
1 Timothy 1:7-10 shows the civil law is for the disobedient and lawless, not a righteous man v 9.
As born again Christians we are not to be subdued by the civil law as such because of our nature is to be completely foreign to the ungodly sinners.
We are not under the sacrificial system because Christ was the ultimate sacrifice for our sins and fulfilled the types and shadows of Christ as the Messiah.
Even the Jews cannot do sacrifices.

7. The Sacrificial, Civil and the Moral Law are the basis of the Ten Commandments which is said to be the basis of the Old Jewish Covenant.
For the reasons I gave which is according to scripture you are wrong when you say the system of law that were under the Old Covenant are still in effect.
This is your third mistake.

8. Jews were to be the salt of the earth and if they lost the savor there were no good but to be trodden down under the foot of men. The Jews were trodden down under the foot of men in 70 A.D. till 1948.
This couldn't be the church because Jesus said the gates of hell shall never prevail against the church Matthew 16:18.
It is advantageous to understand the law of Moses in depth in order to understand what it means to the church today.
There is more to the context than just face value surface understanding.
This is your fourth mistake.
This is why you are still without understanding of the word on this subject. Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

You said 1Corinthians 15:31 was just guessing and it didn't matter to you.

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Funny how it is posted under YOUR NAME, and not mine!

That's your first mistake.
Your second mistake.
you are wrong
This is your third mistake.
This is your fourth mistake.
This is why you are still without understanding of the word on this subject. Jerry kelso

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Must be gratifying for you to pronounce your judgement on me, since it is your recurring MO. I guess you have not noticed, your tactics bore me, and affect only you, not me.

I forgive you,
God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Funny how it is posted under YOUR NAME, and not mine!



Must be gratifying for you to pronounce your judgement on me, since it is your recurring MO. I guess you have not noticed, your tactics bore me, and affect only you, not me.

I forgive you,
God Bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1. I am just repeating what you said so that was a ridiculous statement.

2. I am trying to get you to be fair in exegesis. I don't have to out of my way to judge you when you plainly say that you are guessing and that the interpretation to a particular verse is not important to you.

3. I can't make anyone believe what they don't want to.
I do contend for the faith and truth of the word.

4. You are offended because I mentioned hermeneutics and that you have them. Why? Because you think that it is a way to twist what the Bible says and that is not true.

5. The Bible was written by Jews except Luke.
They were different dispensations or ages which God dealt with men in different ways.
The history was different in the cultures of these lands and idioms and expressions and meaning of phrases, customs etc. They have to be understood in their correct context.
There are metaphors and allegories and symbolic and literal usage of words and contexts.
You are not even trying to converse fairly.
I asked you a simple question and you don't try to explain what it says.
Listen, there are many at a different level of the English language even if it is supposedly simple to you and I.

6. These sites are for dialogue of debate and rebuttals and then try to come to a conclusion or agree to disagree.
No one is an island to themselves but there are rules of engagement.
The Bible says iron sharpens iron.
Everyone has different styles of communication but scripture and it's context has to be brought out.
Even plain statements have a context.
You are the one that has the burden of proving context because you think God gives you understanding of which you think most of us don't have.
With the way that you have shown that God shows you there are no need for Bible teachers.

7. The Bible says to judge all spiritual things. That judgement is inspecting fruit and proof if are being fair in exegesis and many other things.
God judges the heart.
The main thing is I want you to be fair in exegesis, debate and rebuttal instead of copping out by saying it's says what it says and ask God.
The Sermon on the Mount has plain statements that can be applied to others in a different age
because of a spiritual principle but there is also a historical and even dispensational context that can change the whole context across the board.
It is not a crime to not know something. If you know something I don't know and study it out and it's true I don't have a problem believing.
But you are not even trying to have a logical and fair conversation about understanding scripture.
I forgive you and I will be glad to try again but you are going to have to logically participate.
Jerry kelso

Interpretations of the scriptures

REF's:

How to Interpret the Bible | CARM.org

We need, as best as can be had, the guidance of (God) the Holy Spirit in interpreting God’s Word...

1.Who wrote/spoke the passage and to whom was it addressed?
2.What does the passage say?
3.Are there any words or phrases in the passage that need to be examined?
4.What is the immediate context?
5.What is the broader context in the chapter and book?
6.What are the related verses to the passage’s subject and how do they affect the understanding of this passage?
7.What is the historical and cultural background?
8.What do I conclude about the passage?
9.Do my conclusions agree or disagree with related areas of Scripture and others who have studied the passage?
10.What have I learned and what must I apply to my life?

SEE ALSO:

6. The Contextual Method Of Biblical Interpretation

Methods of interpreting the Bible

Biblical hermeneutics - Wikipedia

https://www.theopedia.com/interpretation-of-the-bible

How We Interpret the Bible: Principles for Understanding

jerry kelso said:

I am just repeating what you said

I am trying to get you to be fair

You are offended

you think that it is a way to twist what the Bible says and that is not true.

You are not even trying to converse fairly.

you don't try to explain what it says.

You are the one that has the burden of proving context

you think God gives you understanding

copping out by saying it's says what it says and ask God.

you are not even trying to have a logical and fair conversation about understanding
scripture.

you are going to have to logically participate.

Jerry kelso

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I forgive you.
God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

I forgive you.
God Bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1. Are you saying that you didn't say that about 1 Corinthians 15:31 wasn't important to you.
That is what you said and you don't forgive the truth, and you don't stand up for a lie. You ask God to forgive you because God requires it. Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

Are you saying that you didn't say ...
Jerry kelso

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Read YOUR OWN POST.... #123

YOU SPOKE FOR ME SAYING...

You said 1 Corinthians 15:31 was just guessing...

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No I did not say 1 Corinthians 15:31 was just guessing or ANY SCRIPTURE was just guessing!

I have SAID FOR YOU TO STOP SPEAKING FOR ME. BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAY FOR ME, IS NOT WHAT I SAY. But YOU CONTINUE SPEAKING FOR ME.

Since you apparently are INCAPABLE of letting AN OTHERS WORDS stand as they are, and have some incessant NEED speak for others, what another DOES NOT SAY, go have a conversation with yourself, whereby you can make up both sides of the conversation, and NOT include me in such delusion.

SBC

SBC said:

Read YOUR OWN POST.... #123

YOU SPOKE FOR ME SAYING...



No I did not say 1 Corinthians 15:31 was just guessing or ANY SCRIPTURE was just guessing!

I have SAID FOR YOU TO STOP SPEAKING FOR ME. BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAY FOR ME, IS NOT WHAT I SAY. But YOU CONTINUE SPEAKING FOR ME.

Since you apparently are INCAPABLE of letting AN OTHERS WORDS stand as they are, and have some incessant NEED speak for others, what another DOES NOT SAY, go have a conversation with yourself, whereby you can make up both sides of the conversation, and NOT include me in such delusion.

SBC

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sbc,

1. You know that you said everybody was guessing and you were guessing because you just gave an answer off the top of your head.

2. You also said it wasn't important for you to know about that passage.
You going to spin that to?
You sound like a liberal spinner.
You are the one who is trying to cause a delusion.
You said it wasn't important to you concerning 1 Corinthians 15:31. Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

sbc,

1. You know that you said everybody was guessing and you were guessing because you just gave an answer off the top of your head.

2. You also said it wasn't important for you to know about that passage.
You going to spin that to?
You sound like a liberal spinner.
You are the one who is trying to cause a delusion.
You said it wasn't important to you concerning 1 Corinthians 15:31. Jerry kelso

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I know what "I" said.
And "I" know you do not "quote" what "I" say, but you speak "FOR ME", things "I" do not say.

THEN you expect me to "ANSWER" what YOU have said for me.

And when I "REFUSE", you unleash YOUR snide accusations.

I have concluded your communication skills stink, and you would be better off simply having a conversation with yourself, where you can do all the talking, and exclude me.

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

I know what "I" said.
And "I" know you do not "quote" what "I" say, but you speak "FOR ME", things "I" do not say.

THEN you expect me to "ANSWER" what YOU have said for me.

And when I "REFUSE", you unleash YOUR snide accusations.

I have concluded your communication skills stink, and you would be better off simply having a conversation with yourself, where you can do all the talking, and exclude me.

God Bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1. You know what you said and you know I am right and you know I was repeating what you said and that is not speaking for you.
I have expected you to be honest and fair and you are not.

2. Everyone that has English skills knows your communication is evil.
With communication like yours you are not fooling or most anybody on this board I can guarantee it.
In the first place your position on 1 John 3:9 hardly anyone believes it and you are in the minority and that is a fact.
If you want to believe that is you’re right. However, it is not your right to come on this board and not be truthful and too twist scripture and not really show scripture and it’s context. Tell me one time then show some scriptural truth.
There are some things you have right when you say it says what it say.
The Sermon On The Mount has spiritual laws of the Old Jewish Covenant.
Morals laws by themselves are always right within themselves because sin is always wrong.
But one has to know the context in each age how and why and what are the result will be, not in general terms but in exact terms of the context whether it be immediate or a dispensational context etc.
I have had success a professional songwriter and have been a professional musician for 40 years and I have traveled all over North America and even overseas and have many friends over this country and would disagree vehemently with you and tell you that I have great skills in communicating with people and the Bible.
Even out of all the people from different persuasions and denominations and that believed the way you do never thought I didn’t know anything like your perception brings out.
I don’t know what trying to accomplish because no one seems to agree with you and even more your sinful tactics you use.
The only one you are convincing is you and not us or God for sure.
So if you want to play this game you should get saved. Good luck! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goodbye Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

sbc,

1. You know what you said and you know I am right and you know I was repeating what you said and that is not speaking for you.
I have expected you to be honest and fair and you are not.

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You have said so many things FOR ME, IN YOUR WORDS, that I have not said.

There is a QUOTE feature, you could use, but you don't. Fair to me? Nope. Honestly dealing with me? Nope.

You should be keenly aware you and I disagree, so why try to speak for me, in your own words? I rarely agree with what you say for yourself, and so you think it a good Idea, or even FAIR or HONEST for you to ignore what I say for myself, with my words, and you rearrange them according to your thinking? I don't think that is fair or honest.

I have asked you to not do that, but you persist. Then you make your endless nauseating accusations.

Your methods of communication bores me.

2. Everyone that has English skills knows your communication is evil.

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LOL...guess if you continue to make accusations, your mind logically concludes your are justifiably right! Yawn, oh excuse me, not tired, just bored.

With communication like yours you are not fooling or most anybody on this board I can guarantee it.

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Your "guarantee"? Funny. Seems you are qualified to not only read my mind, deciding my thoughts, but also most anybody on this board.

In the first place your position on 1 John 3:9 hardly anyone believes it and you are in the minority and that is a fact.

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Well ya! I want to be counted among the FEW, instead of the MAJOIRTY that does what
"Everybody else does"!

If you want to believe that is you’re right.

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Well gee, I am fully aware I do not require your permission to Trust to Believe Scripture is True.....any more than you require my permission to not Trust to Believe Scripture is True.

However, it is not your right to come on this board and not be truthful

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WHEN you CAN QUOTE one persons words, and QUOTE MY WORDS of your claim...
Then you may have a valid claim...
Until then, there is nothing to consider regarding your endless accusations.

and too twist scripture and not really show scripture and it’s context.

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"TOO TWIST Scripture"?
Funny.

Tell me one time then show some scriptural truth.

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Get a Bible. According to my Belief, The whole Book is Scriptural Truth.

If you choose to not Believe it, that's on you, not me.

I have had success a professional songwriter and have been a professional musician for 40 years and I have traveled all over North America and even overseas and have many friends over this country and would disagree vehemently with you and tell you that I have great skills in communicating with people and the Bible.

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Can you produce an affidavit of all these people's claims you are making for them...
Or is this just more of you speaking for other people, as a mind-reader?

I don’t know what trying to accomplish because no one seems to agree with you

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I simply speak the truth IN Scripture, and claim I trust to believe Scripture.

You seem to be having a hard time accepting I don't agree with you.
You seem to be content to be in the same belief with the Majority.
That affects you, not me.

and even more your sinful tactics you use.

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More of your accusations.
Seems you didn't listen. I sin no more.
Seems you didn't pay attention to your own testimony. Is it you, who claimed to be born of God and still sins?

The only one you are convincing is you and not us or God for sure.

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WOW, now you know FOR SURE what God is convinced of? Far out man.
Probably your wildest claim ever!
And obviously, again, as in so many things you say. I disagree with you.

So if you want to play this game you should get saved. Good luck! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goodbye Jerry kelso

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Me disagreeing with you, really seems to have affected you, since you are so use to everyone agreeing WITH you.

I'm sure with maturity, you'll find, Scripturally, it is more important to be in agreement with the Lord, and that does not apply to the Majority.

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

You have said so many things FOR ME, IN YOUR WORDS, that I have not said.

There is a QUOTE feature, you could use, but you don't. Fair to me? Nope. Honestly dealing with me? Nope.

You should be keenly aware you and I disagree, so why try to speak for me, in your own words? I rarely agree with what you say for yourself, and so you think it a good Idea, or even FAIR or HONEST for you to ignore what I say for myself, with my words, and you rearrange them according to your thinking? I don't think that is fair or honest.

I have asked you to not do that, but you persist. Then you make your endless nauseating accusations.

Your methods of communication bores me.



LOL...guess if you continue to make accusations, your mind logically concludes your are justifiably right! Yawn, oh excuse me, not tired, just bored.



Your "guarantee"? Funny. Seems you are qualified to not only read my mind, deciding my thoughts, but also most anybody on this board.



Well ya! I want to be counted among the FEW, instead of the MAJOIRTY that does what
"Everybody else does"!



Well gee, I am fully aware I do not require your permission to Trust to Believe Scripture is True.....any more than you require my permission to not Trust to Believe Scripture is True.



WHEN you CAN QUOTE one persons words, and QUOTE MY WORDS of your claim...
Then you may have a valid claim...
Until then, there is nothing to consider regarding your endless accusations.



"TOO TWIST Scripture"?
Funny.



Get a Bible. According to my Belief, The whole Book is Scriptural Truth.

If you choose to not Believe it, that's on you, not me.



Can you produce an affidavit of all these people's claims you are making for them...
Or is this just more of you speaking for other people, as a mind-reader?



I simply speak the truth IN Scripture, and claim I trust to believe Scripture.

You seem to be having a hard time accepting I don't agree with you.
You seem to be content to be in the same belief with the Majority.
That affects you, not me.



More of your accusations.
Seems you didn't listen. I sin no more.
Seems you didn't pay attention to your own testimony. Is it you, who claimed to be born of God and still sins?



WOW, now you know FOR SURE what God is convinced of? Far out man.
Probably your wildest claim ever!
And obviously, again, as in so many things you say. I disagree with you.



Me disagreeing with you, really seems to have affected you, since you are so use to everyone agreeing WITH you.

I'm sure with maturity, you'll find, Scripturally, it is more important to be in agreement with the Lord, and that does not apply to the Majority.

God Bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1. The fact is that I am in agreement with the Lord and you are not.
You are not mature either especially in the way you post and so there is no way you can be mature spiritually with God.
2. I am the one who told you the majority is not always right, but in this case they are.

3. I am sure God is not convinced of you as knowing the real truth considering what you have posted.
Your post says and means untruth in many cases and it also shows an attitude of no respect no sane reasoning and anger and in-christuan and no that is born of God or who has a characteristic of love of which we are to be marked of.

4. Your tone in your posts show that you are bound by the law and not freed from grace.
From all indications you are a wolf in sheep clothing so there is no use talking to you. You are a walking contradiction. Jerry Kelso

jerry kelso said:

sbc,

I am in agreement with the Lord and you are not.

there is no way you can be mature spiritually with God.

I am sure God is not convinced of you

Your post says and means untruth

no respect

no sane reasoning

anger

No that is born of God

No characteristic of love

you are bound by the law

you are a wolf in sheep clothing

You are a walking contradiction

Jerry Kelso

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Your ideal characteristic of love, is consistent.

I forgive you.

God bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Your ideal characteristic of love, is consistent.

I forgive you.

God bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1 Your ideal characteristic of love is being untruthful and unbiblical and dishonest and unfair at all costs and at all times.
Your I forgive and God bless is superficial and not with 2 cents on this post and you know it. In the name of Jesus you need to come under conviction and get saved to the uttermost show God’s true love not your self ambition to prove something that is not biblical. Good bye Jerry kelso

jerry kelso said:

sbc,

untruthful

unbiblical

dishonest

unfair

God bless is superficial and not with 2 cents

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Show God’s true love
Jerry kelso

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Like you? That's funny.

God Bless,
SBC

SBC said:

Like you? That's funny.

God Bless,
SBC

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sbc,

1. You have shown you are untruthful, unbiblical, dishonest, unfair, and phony, not me.
This is not funny because your soul is at stake. Jerry Kelso

Michael Collum said:

As a point of humility, it is important to note to self that what ever conclusions you come to are not equal to scripture. Therefore, your interpretation may be invalidated, but scripture remains not so.

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That is all very nice, just like some of the comments others have made here. You need to get first things first. No.1 Unless God calls or invites you, it is not possible to receive any instruction. It is only after the invitation, if you accept it, will you be given any guiding. Those who reject the calling are as the sheep on the left. The way to get to the truth is by your attitude, seek and you will find for narrow is the gate and FEW there will be who will find it. So, start by learning what the invitation means. Read the Bible daily, a Chapter from each section; Genesis, Psalms, and NT. When you read from each section you will find the overlapping of the same verses, etc.; the red sea, the escape of Moses from the Egyptians, the absence of any devils or demons; the mis-interpretation of the word "Fiend" as a devil, when it actually meant an enemy or foe, taken from Old English and Low German. You will find the reason for the purpose of God and His plan here: Psalms 48:2; Zechariah 2:10; Which explain what was written in Hebrews 11:13 and that only a few will be rescued. Such as Noah, when only 8 people were rescued.
2 Kings 19:31

What do you see here?
Col 2:8
BEWARE lest ANY man spoil you THROUGH philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT AFTER CHRIST.

The common reader sees that as speaking of the individual having his or her understanding corrupted by the philosophies of men. And while it is true that can happen to the individual, seeing that verse in that way causes one to miss its main point. Its main point is how the church in the flesh gets corrupted.

Of course many have been programmed with the automatic defense so that they bulk at that idea recalling that it was said of God's true church that the gates of Hades would not prevail against it. They do not realize that it is the part of the church which transcends the flesh to become truly spiritual which the gates of Hades cannot prevail against. Nor will most of them let themselves listen in order to learn that.

At Colossians 2:8 "you" is once again the plural 2nd person pronoun "humas" and refers to the church.

Much of your doctrine is flawed because you are too stubborn to divide the Greek correctly before taking it for granted that it will work to divide the English translations correctly. Of course you cannot see that at present. And you never will until you get ready to listen rather than tell.

The theme of the church in the tent of imperfect flesh being corrupted runs heavily entwined in the New Testament. It is from that imperfect flesh in the church that the man of sin was born. And yes, I meant, "was born." I did not say that by mistake.

he-man said:

No.1 Unless God calls or invites you, it is not possible to receive any instruction. It is only after the invitation, if you accept it, will you be given any guiding.

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Disagree.

The WORD of God, IS Truthful Knowledge.
The written word of God, IS FULL of instructions, guidance, information on HOW TO serve God, according to HIS Principles, HIS standards, HIS WAY that pleases Him, and Glorifies His great names.

Agree.
God, thee all-knowing, who knew you, in the womb, before you knew you.
He knew you, your election and choosing of Him, before you knew.
And it IS those who chose Him, that HE CALLS.
And thereafter, WHEN a man answers His CALL, and gives their Life to the Lord...

Then does such a man have FULL 24-7 access to His indwelling Spirit...to seek, to ask...
For His Wisdom, His Understanding of His Word, His guidanace for any individual situation, etc.

God Bless,
SBC