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I'm not trying to push my views on anyone here, just expressing them. My favorite analogy is a stopwatch, when Israel rejected the Messiah he hit the stop button. If you ever look at the prophets the coming of the kingdom coincides with the coming of the Messiah. Now not everyone accepts this line of interpretation but it's seamlessly consisted with the requisite texts. What we are waiting for is the fullness of the Gentils to be brought into the body of Christ. I see nothing here to be divisive or contentious here. The only essential doctrine here is the return of Christ at the end of the age. You agree with me on that I would not hesitate to extend the right hand of fellowship, so to speak. Frankly I find the Levitical imagery far more interesting and the deconstruction of the beast from the sea from Daniel CH. 2 and 7 is far more informative. I'm a little bit of an odd ball on things like the rapture and the timeline, my priority is an emphasis on the return of Christ. Then we can agree to disagree and resolve to build one another up in our common faith instead of banging away at one another's views.

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If that be said, you would be looking at ten or so years biblical fulfillment according to the jubilees, in line with Daniel, and Ezekiel, and Revelation. Whether it be the start or end, I know not, but those are what's written.
 
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Alright Keith, since you seem unable to retract your curses, do you want me to follow David and return them back to you? Please think carefully.

Psalm 109 : 17 As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
Job 35:2 Thinkest thou this to be right, that thou saidst, My righteousness is more than God's?
 
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If that be said, you would be looking at ten or so years biblical fulfillment according to the jubilees, in line with Daniel, and Ezekiel, and Revelation. Whether it be the start or end, I know not, but those are what's written.
I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here. The Jubilee was like every fifty years, land was returned and captives freed. Relating the end times to the feasts and events like Jubiles is all very interesting but I fail to see a direct connection to Daniel.
 
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To understand the Revelation one should ignore Daniel. Daniel is over and done. Trying to correlate Daniel to the Revelation will just send you off onto dead end sidetracks .... while puffing you up.
 
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Keith, I do not want to curse anyone.
I don't like your game, but I put you in God's hands
Bless you Keith.
Sounds like Luke 6:28.
I was not attempting to or cursing you, merely showing you what the Bible said. It was for instruction brother. Then you kept on me like I was cursing you. I responded as Jesus did. You said it, not me, type response.
So if the curse is being applied or somehow you feel guilty of said curse, it is because God said it, not I. I didn't do anything wrong. I've been somehow cursed and then blessed by you...I am confused. But not about God.
I initially said a couple verses which you had replied were silly, and then insinuated I am the bad guy....
When if you review, I never mistreated you. If I did anything, I warned you out of love so that a curse would not be on you.
My apologies if you mistook the words, nevertheless, they are still accurate.
So stop attempting to bless me thinking you are somehow hurting me. That's the opposite of what the intent should be.
I bless your studies, may they be fruitful, may you gain understanding, may you see I speak with love, not deceit. May your heart be lifted up to the Lord God Almighty on High, the Lord Jesus be praised. Despise not instruction.
And as others have pointed out, we as the church wouldn't mind if you showed us what the Spirit has shown you. As we are showing you what it has shown us.
 
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To understand the Revelation one should ignore Daniel. Daniel is over and done. Trying to correlate Daniel to the Revelation will just send you off onto dead end sidetracks .... while puffing you up.
Daniel is far from over and done. Lol.
Asserting that it is over and done, does that puff you up as well, or is it a zero knowledge statement?
 
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Daniel was addressed to ancient Israel and mainly about the coming of Messiah which took place around 2000 years ago .... the end of ancient Israel also came nearly 2000 years ago. Ancient Israel is over. Daniel is over. The God sent (addressed to servants of Jesus) Revelation contains what we need to know about OUR end of era scenario and ALL we need to know about OUR end of era scenario.
Trying to correlate Rev to other books (including other bible books) just leads to confusion and worthless counterproductive debate.

ps: and Revelation 11 has NOTHING to do with the Great harlot/Mystery Babylon which is revealed in Rev 17&18.

Satan wants us/everyone on worthless dead end sidetracks .... Heed THE Revelation ....and in regard to OUR end of era scenario, Revelation 13->forward is THE defining word from God regarding OUR end of era scenario.

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Daniel is far from over and done. Lol.
Asserting that it is over and done, does that puff you up as well, or is it a zero knowledge statement?
Not that I am refuting or arguing, but just wanted to address you.
I am interested in your interpretations. Please give scriptural references so we may further the discussion in a profitable manner one way or another.
 
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So why is my opinion worthless and arrogant, but yours not?
Daniel was addressed to ancient Israel and mainly about the coming of Messiah which took place around 2000 years ago .... the end of ancient Israel also came nearly 2000 years ago. Ancient Israel is over. Daniel is over. The God sent (addressed to servants of Jesus) Revelation contains what we need to know about OUR end of era scenario and ALL we need to know about OUR end of era scenario.
Trying to correlate Rev to other books (including other bible books) just leads to confusion and worthless counterproductive debate.

ps: and Revelation 11 has NOTHING to do with the Great harlot/Mystery Babylon which is revealed in Rev 17&18.

Satan wants you on worthless dead end sidetracks .... Heed THE Revelation ....and in regard to OUR end of era scenario, Revelation 13->forward is THE defining word from God regarding OUR end of era scenario.

www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/
 
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So why is my opinion worthless and arrogant, but yours not?

Didn't mean it personal.

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Satan wants us/everyone on worthless dead end sidetracks .... Heed THE Revelation ....and in regard to OUR end of era scenario, Revelation 13->forward is THE defining word from God regarding OUR end of era scenario.
 
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Lol. Ok. I am wounded...just kidding.

Daniel does connect with Revelation though in several ways. For instance the beast with 10 horns. Daniel 7 / Revelation 13
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15“As for me, Daniel, my spirit was distressed within me, and the visions in my mind kept alarming me. 16“I approached one of those who were standing by and began asking him the exact meaning of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things: 17‘These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth. 18‘But the saints of the Highest One will receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, for all ages to come.’

19“Then I desired to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its claws of bronze, and which devoured, crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet, 20and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head and the other horn which came up, and before which three of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great boasts and which was larger in appearance than its associates. 21“I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them 22until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
23“Thus he said: ‘The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it. 24‘As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings. 25‘He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time. 26‘But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever. 27‘Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.’
28“At this point the revelation ended. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts were greatly alarming me and my face grew pale, but I kept the matter to myself.”
 
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Lol. Ok. I am wounded...just kidding.

Daniel does connect with Revelation though in several ways. For instance the beast with 10 horns. Daniel 7 / Revelation 13

The Revelation does not instruct the reader to look to Daniel to explain the heads and horns or anything else....

In Rev 17 the heads and horns are explained ... with no mention of Daniel.
For us to learn what we need to learn WITHOUT SIDETRACK ...
we should just read and heed the God Sent Revelation that is addressed explicitly to servants of Jesus.
 
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This is not sensible imo.

The Book of Revelation cannot be understood in isolation, it is replete with scriptural references.

Furthermore all prophecy is necessarily connected, because all prophecy is given by Christ, and points to Christ. Trying to sever bits off does not work.
 
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That's easy enough, the tribulation is the last of the seventy sevens. The sixty ninth ended with the crucified Messiah and since then the commencement of the last seven years has been on hold. It starts with the opening of the seals and the first four seals describe the rise of the antichrist. Half way through the tribulation, three and a half years, the abomination that causes desolation begins the second half of the tribulation sometimes called the great tribulation. The final wave of judgments are the pouring out of the vials of wrath that devastates the kingdom of the antichrist.

This is all pretty basic stuff, not sure what you might disagree with here.

All of it Mark as it based on a Jesuit doctrine from the counter reformation. Expounded on by Darby and Scofield. If you are a protestant why would you be preaching counter protestant teaching?
 
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Daniel was addressed to ancient Israel and mainly about the coming of Messiah which took place around 2000 years ago .... the end of ancient Israel also came nearly 2000 years ago. Ancient Israel is over. Daniel is over. The God sent (addressed to servants of Jesus) Revelation contains what we need to know about OUR end of era scenario and ALL we need to know about OUR end of era scenario.
Trying to correlate Rev to other books (including other bible books) just leads to confusion and worthless counterproductive debate.

ps: and Revelation 11 has NOTHING to do with the Great harlot/Mystery Babylon which is revealed in Rev 17&18.

Satan wants us/everyone on worthless dead end sidetracks .... Heed THE Revelation ....and in regard to OUR end of era scenario, Revelation 13->forward is THE defining word from God regarding OUR end of era scenario.

www.mosquitonet.com/~prewett/


John would be so kind as to give me your take on this prophecy.
Daniel 8:14
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
 
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not lecturing - this is in my relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ Holy Spirit, God The Most High and in my relationship with our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary guided by our Lord Jesus Holy Spirit and in Most Holy Mother Mary.

Firstly to receive our Lord Jesus into hearts/souls guiding us in His Holy Word with His Holy Words in God The Most High Holy Spirit - repent to Jesus in remorse for sins to receive His Holy Absolution/Forgiveness in order for hearts/souls purified to receive God Himself in His Holy Word, Jesus God The Most High and Holy Spirit speaking to hearts/souls in His Holy Word illuminating hearts/souls/minds in Gods Holy Discernment in His Love guiding us with every one of His Holy Words in His Holy Word/His Holy Bible.

Making The Sign of The Cross with Jesus Holy Crucifix nearby is important for our Lord Jesus to be Present around us btw just a suggestion on what I have been guided in my relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ Holy Spirit, God The Most High and in my Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary in our Lord Jesus with our Lord Jesus.

When I read Gods Holy Word - Jesus Holy Spirit in God our Heavenly Father shows me so many Holy Teachings within one verse/Holy Passage alone - not just one interpretation - in Gods Holy Divine Will and Holy Divine Ways different in each of His Holy Passages. For instance I could be reading Daniels Holy Passage one day with God our Heavenly Divine Majesty in Holy Discernment showing me Jesus Righteousness on certain things and a week later completely different in God The Most High. God is teaching us and at the same time illuminating our hearts souls to our sins at the same time for our soul good. Not for us to read Gods Holy Word and decipher in the earthly worldly sense not at all. Holy Spirit is guiding us and or we should be receiving Jesus and Holy Spirit into our hearts guiding us on what God wishes to impart to us all while reading His Holy Word. If we are caught up in the earthly way of reading and deciphering Gods Holy Word - without prayer from hearts to our Lord Jesus Christ first - and not asking our Lord Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit for Gods Holy Discernment - then we are not allowing for God and His Holy Divine Will and Holy Wisdom to flow through into our hearts souls minds to learn from Him. Humility always like little Children to God while reading Gods Holy Word and asking Jesus and Holy Spirit for Gods Holy Discernment prior to reading.

The same with each of our daily life activities. "Be it Thy Holy Divine Will and Holy Divine Heavenly Ways our dear Lord Jesus flowing through my heart soul mind and body, not the earthly will and ways" Amen.

At the end of the days here - many things can be averted by God our Heavenly Father in His Chastisements from His wrath for us breaking His Holy Commandments - through heartfelt prayer and sacrifice - and I have learned this from our Holy Divine Unfathomable Merciful Saviour our Lord Jesus, God our Heavenly Father and Most Holy Divine Majesty, Holy Spirit and Most Holy Mother Mary in daily weekly and monthly things here and around the world that were forecast by our Lord Jesus Whom urged His Holy Saints to pray for the aversion of certain catastrophes from Gods punishment upon the world, just as God Himself in His Old Testament urged His Priests and Prophets to get people to turn away from sin, pray to Him, and to sacrifice things for Him out of Love and Gratitude to God our Heavenly Father with God then saving many of His Tribes, many of His people and His wrath averted/gone/finished during each of these periods. Others whom ignored God and His Holy Commandments not so fortunate/Blessed by God our Heavenly Father.

Many things of course "written in Heaven for here on God The Most Highs Earth" and many things may well be in concrete/solid/to occur, however, we have our Lord Jesus as our Loving Merciful Saviour in God our Loving Most Holy Divine Majesty, Whom, looking through our Lord Jesus' Holy Sacred Wounds and Precious Holy Blood particularly when asked, can grant us in His Holy Divine Mercy, anything we pray and ask for daily if we but only love and trust in our Lord Jesus and be grateful to Him from hearts open in trust and repent to Jesus our sins and try to obey His Commandments and walk in His Righteousness.

Just sharing a part of my own relationship in our Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, God The Most High our Heavenly Divine Majesty and in our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother Mary.

"Ask and Ye shall receive" - Jesus told those of us whom turn to Him in prayer and communication from hearts open to Him in trust.

Ask Jesus to explain to you "Daniel and Revelations" in complete trust then write about it from our Lord Jesus God The Most High and in Holy Spirit. One day - then a week later.

We are living God's Holy Word - "Jesus Christ ONE in God The Most High and Holy Spirit is The Holy Divine Word" and our Holy Divine Mercy Himself - our Holy Divine Merciful Saviour for those whom open their "Hearts" not just minds receiving Jesus into hearts to receive His Holy Word in Holy Spirit's Holy Discernment - God our Heavenly Father's Holy Divine Discernment of His Holy Divine Word, His Holy Divine Heavenly Mysteries, His Holy Divine Mysteries, His Holy Divine Will and Holy Powers unfathomable to all of us because although Gods Holy Word stands firm with His Holy Commandments never changing we have our Holy Divine Merciful Saviour in God our Heavenly Divine Majesty to give His Mercy of which through prayer and trust in Jesus and LOVE for Jesus and others, through repentance of sins in genuine remorse from hearts open receiving Jesus into hearts and of Most Holy Mother Mary Holy Divine Queen of Mercy and Hearts in God The Most High, takes our Holy Prayers to God beseeching God through our Lord Jesus' Holy Sacred Wounds and Precious Holy Blood, changing what may have been forecast in Gods wrath one week - changed - by God Himself in His Holy Divine Will and Holy Divine Ways with so many things known to be forecast in Holy Heaven before happening here or about to happen here.

God our Heavenly Father diffused North Korea in its actions.
God our Heavenly Father backfired missiles through and by our Lord Jesus and His Mercy, His unfathomable deepest Holy Divine Love and Mercy for us.

Most sadly things can then happen if prayers and sacrifices are not maintained weekly and or regularly because all Nations and their Leaders need to be continually prayed for to our Lord Jesus in His Holy Divine Mercy and through our Most Holy Blessed Virgin Mother of God regularly with some sacrifices made pleasing to our Lord Jesus. Because Jesus died on The Cross for us, we owe our Lord Jesus everything - including our lives and sacrifices. Not everyone needs to sacrifice - certain hearts souls are called upon to do this for our Lord Jesus - at one period in ones own life - many ignore Gods Holy Callings - choosing instead the wealth and material lifestyles - well then many peoples souls and lives here and eternally could have been saved - had many people chosen to heed Gods Holy Callings with prayer and sacrifice just as our Lords Priests Nuns and Religious have done - those good in our Lord Jesus Christ and in Most Holy Mother Mary, Holy Spirit, God The Most High.

Therefore, certain things in God The Most Highs Holy Divine Will and Holy Divine Wisdom and Holy Power are averted - for instance if more hearts in more Nations turn to our Lord Jesus Christ in repentance of sins to Jesus in remorse. If more people return to visit our Lord Jesus in His Holy Divine Church - sacrificing their time to love and thank Him for dying on The Cross particularly on Fridays at around 3pm Jesus asked Holy Saint Marie Chambon to tell mankind to turn to Him on Fridays in Holy Adoration of Him on The Cross, to Honour and Love Him and to say sorry for us causing our Lord Jesus to suffer on the Cross for us when it should have been my cross, "few do this" Jesus said to Holy Saint Marie Chambon.


People need to continue praying for all Nations and the Leaders for Jesus Holy Spirit and Most Holy Mother Mary in God our Heavenly Father to work through them.


Yet, we may well be punished - many of Gods once primarily Catholic and Christian Nations for having ignored our Lord Jesus over the years, not having passed on Gods Holy Word to our Children, not having included our Lord Jesus in our lives here, ignoring Jesus when He died for us for breaking His Holy Divine Laws and Commandments without repentance to our Lord Jesus Christ.

For having ignored the most deprived poorest Nations on earth.
Our Brothers and Sisters in our Lord Jesus Christ during certain periods or years.
For being unmerciful and non compassionate, egotistical and non humble like little Children in our Lord Jesus - I have been guilty of these things now working at it daily more deeply long way to go.

If more of us handed over these Nations long ago immersing NK in Jesus Ocean of Mercy, Holy Sacred Wounds and Precious Holy Blood, our Lord Jesus in His Mercy could have converted in His Holy Divine Will, NK many many years ago, as a great deal of South Korea are now Christians. Prayer and sacrifice to receive God our Heavenly Father's our Lord Jesus Christs Mercy and His Holy Divine changes/conversions/salvation of souls.

And thousands of Gods Holy Saints in heaven were told by our Lord Jesus Christ and thousands of lay Catholics to date - that we must repent sins to our Lord Jesus, pray and sacrifice to receive Gods Mercy through and by our Lord Jesus Christ our Merciful Holy Divine Saviour to those whom have repented to Him, to obtain Gods Love and Peace and Stability on earth - one only needs to read Gods Old Testament and His punishments to those whom ignored God our Heavenly Father were ungrateful to God for His Creation, for His Holy Divine Blessings Gifts and Graces, for those whom knew about God and deliberately disobeyed His Holy Commandments, of those whom broke Gods Holy Laws on earth - and many Nations have just done this including mine - and of course there will be punishments - severe punishments from God our Heavenly Father for having broken His Holy Divine Laws from Heaven placed here through the Government Leaders of each generation to ensure that His Holy Word and Holy Commandments better obeyed for our own soul good, for hearts to continue turning to our Lord Jesus Christ, for certain nations such as the United States, Australia, N.Zealand, Europe, Rome Italy, London, Scotland Ireland, Canada once primarily Catholic and Christian Nations - few now most sorrowfully - to lead through Jesus Christ God The Most High Holy Spirit and through Most Holy Mother Mary with our Blessed Holy Trinity the remainder of the Nations for conversions and salvation through repentance to Jesus, receiving His Blessed Holy Sacraments to be His Apostolates His Holy Word, His Holy Mouth, to pray and sacrifice for God, to continue His Blessed Holy Divine Catholic, Christian and Universal Church sending hearts souls to our Lord Jesus and keeping His Priests and Religious whom do sacrifice and have sacrificed most of their lives the good priests and religious of our Lords - to receive our Lord in His Holy Divine Presence at His Holy Altars adoring Him in His Holy Divine Presence Loving and thanking Jesus for suffering and dying on The Cross for all of us - from all hearts and souls here on earth.

Daniel and Revelations is Gods Holy Word from Himself literally physically spiritually in many Holy Divine Ways in Gods Holy Divine Will and Holy Divine Wisdom unfathomable to us all until we pray and ask our Lord Jesus Holy Spirit God The Most High.

That's about it my apologies for the long post. Genuinely do not have time to edit.
 
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