The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?

EastCoastRemnant said:

Yes, I addressed that in the post you replied to... that was men's traditions not taught to us in the Bible record. Bottom line is, you either place your chips on man made tradition or on the Word of God. Safe bet's on the Bible but if your feeling risky with your eternity then by all means...

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EastCoastRemnant said:

Yes, I addressed that in the post you replied to... that was men's traditions not taught to us in the Bible record. Bottom line is, you either place your chips on man made tradition or on the Word of God. Safe bet's on the Bible but if your feeling risky with your eternity then by all means...

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klutedavid said:

Hello ECR.

If you reject Irenaeus, then of course you are largely rejecting the canonicity of the New Testament.

Canonicity of the New Testament.

Writings attributed to the Apostles circulated among the earliest Christian communities. The Pauline epistles were circulating, perhaps in collected forms, by the end of the 1st century AD. Justin Martyr, in the mid 2nd century, mentions "memoirs of the apostles" as being read on "the day called that of the sun" (Sunday) alongside the "writings of the prophets." A defined set of four gospels (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus, c. 180, who refers to it directly. (wikipedia)

To reject the writing of Justyr Marty and Irenaeus, is punching a hole in the historical canonicity of the New Testament. If you accept the New Testament as scripture, then by default, you are accepting the authenticity of the letters of Justyn Martyr and Irenaeus.[/QUOTE/


Please provide Bible references for your false assertions.

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klutedavid said:

Hello ECR.

If you reject Irenaeus, then of course you are largely rejecting the canonicity of the New Testament.

Canonicity of the New Testament.

Writings attributed to the Apostles circulated among the earliest Christian communities. The Pauline epistles were circulating, perhaps in collected forms, by the end of the 1st century AD. Justin Martyr, in the mid 2nd century, mentions "memoirs of the apostles" as being read on "the day called that of the sun" (Sunday) alongside the "writings of the prophets." A defined set of four gospels (the Tetramorph) was asserted by Irenaeus, c. 180, who refers to it directly. (wikipedia)

To reject the writing of Justyr Marty and Irenaeus, is punching a hole in the historical canonicity of the New Testament. If you accept the New Testament as scripture, then by default, you are accepting the authenticity of the letters of Justyn Martyr and Irenaeus.

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BobRyan said:

Paul quotes the same list in Romans 13 as Christ quotes in Matthew 19.

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EastCoastRemnant said:

You are forgetting that there were no Christian churches at that time... where else was Paul and the others to preach? Yes, they were to take the Gospel to the Jews first but after the stoning of Stephen, the Jews as a nation came to the end of their probationary time as detailed in Daniel 9:24.

Have you asked yourself why, after the apostles were done teaching the Jews in the synagogue on Sabbath, that they didn't teach the gentiles the next day, the 1st day? If the contention of 1st day worship is to be believed, why don't we see these things in the Bible? The apostles are always recorded as teaching on the Sabbath, both to Jews and Gentiles. There is no evidence of the apostles breaking the Commandment to keep the Sabbath Holy.

Btw, breaking bread on the 1st day does not convey worship or holiness. Acts 2:46 shows this premise to be false.

Acts 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

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Jeepneytravel said:

Please provide Bible references to support your opinion.

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Jeepneytravel said:

Jesus said in Mark 2 He is Lord of the Sabbath day....which is the seventh day of the week (Saturday)

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EastCoastRemnant said:

That still gives no Divine credence from either Jesus or the apostolic record of worshipping or keeping holy the 1st day. What was done after that time was purely men's traditions.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

...remember, the 7th day was the Sabbath, that NEVER changed...

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klutedavid said:

If you reject Irenaeus, then of course you are largely rejecting the canonicity of the New Testament.

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listed said:

No I'm not forgetting anything. Gentiles weren't permitted in the Temple.

No Acts 2:46 doesn't show me making a false premise. You can't fall out of a window while eating.

The above verse is about Jewish Christians who were the first Christians. You expect a change of centuries to happen like flipping a light switch.

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EastCoastRemnant said:

If you reject Christ, you are rejecting life!

Choose you this day whether you follow Irenaeus or Christ.

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EastCoastRemnant said:

Did Christ change the Holy day? No... follow Christ or follow self. He will judge who are His sheep.

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RadiantGrace said:

You mean by not randomly quoting senseless stuff like you just did?
Can you tell me what this is from and how it is relevant?

No?



You cut and pasted this. It is isn't even a full sentence.



Again, Can you tell me what this is from and how it is relevant?
You don't know, you just cut and pasted random stuff.




That's totally not completely made up. Yup, you can just quote "Council of Trent" and everyone knows what you are talking about.




This is completely false. That's not the Catholic Catechism.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Why do you keep beating a dead horse? NO ONE is saying that Saturday is not the Sabbath. But WHY don't you believe that His followers wanted to commemorate His Sunday resurrection every week in addition to Shabbat?

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EastCoastRemnant said:

Not was...IS. And it should still be venerated, revered and obeyed! Sabbath transgressors are hard up agaisnt a thus saith the Lord but stand on the statements of mere men...

A murderer would not have the arrogance to declare that he is no longer under the Law, yet hubris reigns supreme among "God's people".

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EastCoastRemnant said:

If you reject Christ, you are rejecting life!

Choose you this day whether you follow Irenaeus or Christ.

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EastCoastRemnant said:

Did Christ change the Holy day? No... follow Christ or follow self. He will judge who are His sheep.

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