The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?

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On the contrary Acts 13 "Sabbath after Sabbath" preaching to Gentiles
In Acts 17:4 "Sabbath after Sabbath after Sabbath" preaching to Gentiles
Acts 18:4 "EVERY Sabbath" preaching to gentiles
Why are you continuing to promote these half truths?

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

17 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

There's nothing in any of the references you gave saying only gentiles. The synagogue wasn't a place of gentiles. The synagogue is the primary place Jews gathered. Paul says more than once to the Jew first.
Nothing at all in either case about "come back tomorrow for week-day-1 service at my house"
Also nothing about gentiles only. The synagogue was where Paul went first until they kicked him out.
 
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Acts 15 is a great place to NOT find "Do not take God's name in vain" as a commandment singled out and applied to gentiles.

Acts 15 is a great place to NOT find "Love God with all your heart" as a commandment singled out and applied to gentiles.

Acts 15 is a great place to NOT find "Honor your father and mother" as a commandment singled out and applied to gentiles.

Acts 15 is not an "odd" ... downsized-Bible-for-Gentiles as some have much-imagined it to be.

It frees them from the ceremonial law as we see in Heb 10:4-12 -- and not the moral law that "defines sin" as even the sunday scholars freely admit.
Amazing as it seems you just freed gentiles from the sabbath. Keeping the sabbath is purely ceremonial in nature.
 
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In Matthew 19 Jesus said "keep the Commandments" and He is asked "which ones" at which point we find the same list from the TEN as you find in Romans 13 given by Paul.
What is going in Mat 19 where Jesus said to keep the ten commandments for salvation (securing eternal life)? Doesn't that contradict both the OT and John 3, 5 and 10?
 
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If asking stupid questions won arguments, you won! See post 563
"But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire." Matt 5:22 RSV
 
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"But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire." Matt 5:22 RSV

Oh are you angry and insulted? So now your judging me? Then quit asking the same stupid question over and over when you have been given answers. If you want to continue your banter, I will be back on Sunday...you know, the 1st day of the week...because right now, it is almost the 7th day...so Shabbat Shalom!
 
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Oh are you angry and insulted? Then quit asking the same stupid question over and over when you have been given answers. If you want to continue your banter, I will be back on Sunday...you know, the 1st day of the week...because right now, it is almost the 7th day...so Shabbat Shalom!
No, I'm just pointing out that insulting me doesn't prove your point. To prove your point you must tell me where the Bible states that Saturday is the last day of the week.
 
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What is going in Mat 19 where Jesus said to keep the ten commandments for salvation (securing eternal life)? Doesn't that contradict both the OT and John 3, 5 and 10?

Paul quotes the same list in Romans 13 as Christ quotes in Matthew 19.
 
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The early Christian Church was originally no more than another branch of Judaism. They worshipped in temple and synagogue with their Jewish brothers and sisters. In some rare cases, they constituted the majority and were able to control the order of service, readings and such. However, in most cases they were a minority and could not insist on their own readings or rituals. The custom arose that these Jewish-Christians would meet again on the day (our Sunday) following the Sabbath for a service on their own. Tensions rose within the Jewish community until about AD90 when the rabbinical council of Jamniah decided upon the scriptures that would be permissible for use in synagogue services. This effectively ended Christian participation in Sabbath synagogue worship. They did however in most cases continue the tradition of the Sunday services calling it the Lord’s day. This eventually became the norm and was in fact made law by Constantine. In due course theology was invented to justify the change.


Jesus said in Mark 2 He is Lord of the Sabbath day....which is the seventh day of the week (Saturday)
 
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Why are you continuing to promote these half truths?

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

17 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews:

2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

3 Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

4 And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few.

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

There's nothing in any of the references you gave saying only gentiles. The synagogue wasn't a place of gentiles. The synagogue is the primary place Jews gathered. Paul says more than once to the Jew first.Also nothing about gentiles only. The synagogue was where Paul went first until they kicked him out.
You are forgetting that there were no Christian churches at that time... where else was Paul and the others to preach? Yes, they were to take the Gospel to the Jews first but after the stoning of Stephen, the Jews as a nation came to the end of their probationary time as detailed in Daniel 9:24.

Have you asked yourself why, after the apostles were done teaching the Jews in the synagogue on Sabbath, that they didn't teach the gentiles the next day, the 1st day? If the contention of 1st day worship is to be believed, why don't we see these things in the Bible? The apostles are always recorded as teaching on the Sabbath, both to Jews and Gentiles. There is no evidence of the apostles breaking the Commandment to keep the Sabbath Holy.

Btw, breaking bread on the 1st day does not convey worship or holiness. Acts 2:46 shows this premise to be false.

Acts 2:46
And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
 
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You are forgetting that there were no Christian churches at that time... where else was Paul and the others to preach? Yes, they were to take the Gospel to the Jews first but after the stoning of Stephen, the Jews as a nation came to the end of their probationary time as detailed in Daniel 9:24.

Have you asked yourself why, after the apostles were done teaching the Jews in the synagogue on Sabbath, that they didn't teach the gentiles the next day, the 1st day? If the contention of 1st day worship is to be believed, why don't we see these things in the Bible? The apostles are always recorded as teaching on the Sabbath, both to Jews and Gentiles. There is no evidence of the apostles breaking the Commandment to keep the Sabbath Holy.

You have to remember, the very early Church was almost fully comprised of Jewish believers with a few gentiles. After 70 AD that all changed and by 135 AD, the split was complete. Gentiles would not have been allowed in the synagogues, UNLESS they were in the process of converting. We know by the early 100 AD, Sunday was used as a Christian day of worship. Jews likely still kept Shabbat but also fellowshipped on Sunday with other believers. Read Justin Martyr (150 AD) and Ignatius (110 AD) regarding Sunday. It was already fully established LONG before Constantine.

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead."
 
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You have to remember, the very early Church was almost fully comprised of Jewish believers with a few gentiles. After 70 AD that all changed and by 135 AD, the split was complete. Gentiles would not have been allowed in the synagogues, UNLESS they were in the process of converting. We know by the early 100 AD, Sunday was used as a Christian day of worship. Jews likely still kept Shabbat but also fellowshipped on Sunday with other believers. Read Justin Martyr (150 AD) and Ignatius (110 AD) regarding Sunday. It was already fully established LONG before Constantine.

"But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead."
That still gives no Divine credence from either Jesus or the apostolic record of worshipping or keeping holy the 1st day. What was done after that time was purely men's traditions.
 
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That still gives no Divine credence from either Jesus or the apostolic record of worshipping or keeping holy the 1st day. What was done after that time was purely men's traditions.
Hello ECR.

The early letters from the first and second century tell us what the church practiced.
 
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Hello ECR.

The early letters from the first and second century tell us what the church practiced.
Yes, I addressed that in the post you replied to... that was men's traditions not taught to us in the Bible record. Bottom line is, you either place your chips on man made tradition or on the Word of God. Safe bet's on the Bible but if your feeling risky with your eternity then by all means...
 
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That still gives no Divine credence from either Jesus or the apostolic record of worshipping or keeping holy the 1st day. What was done after that time was purely men's traditions.

The Apostles gave them those Traditions...remember, the 7th day was the Sabbath, that NEVER changed...
 
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