Now wait just a minute! This changes everything.

OldWiseGuy said:

Why turn people, who have no tickets, away from a theatre if there are empty seats.

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Because it's a private business.

OldWiseGuy said:

Immigration laws do not conflict with the teachings of Jesus.

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read my post again before misrepresenting what I said. Do not bear false witness

OldWiseGuy said:

At that point they are responsible for their illegal status.

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Indeed. Toddler learns words “me illegal bad” That archcriminal should be toddling his little bottom south fast enough.

OldWiseGuy said:

I actually changed it slightly.

Why turn people, who have no tickets, away from a theatre if there are empty seats.

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Unless you are claiming we should kick her out because she has not paid enough money I fail to see the analogy.

Oh the irony!!

OldWiseGuy said:

Probably better to deport them young. They can adjust to their new home better.

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And growing up in some Trumphole where they left from probably builds character faster too.

They can return to US when they have few scars, jail sentence or two and bag of drugs.

See post #36.

(Nice try though, again)

Wish more folks born on American soil would do what that girl the OP is rattling on about did. She's making the most of the opportunities she had while in the US & has made herself useful to serve others. The medical field is a wise one to go into, on account of how it's universally needed.

Thanks OP for sharing a DACA success story!

Aren't conservatives supposed to be fiscally savvy?

It costs approximately $11k per year to educate a student in the American Public school system.

Given that we go to school for 12 years, this means that America has easily invested roughly $132k per "dreamer".

There are about 800,000 dreamers in the US
800,000 x $131k = 1,056,000,000,000

so basically, we think it is a good idea to set a trillion dollars on fire???

The GOP prides itself on understanding the free market and economics yada yada yada

and yet they will so easily throw away a trillion dollars not to mention all of the billions of man-hours invested as well. Not to mention future value. Those 800,000 dreamers will go on to make trillions of dollars worth of tax revenue pumping back into the country as they work throughout their lifetimes...

So again, why are so many within the GOP so bent on sticking it to the dreamers or so cavalier in their attitudes of dreamers being kicked out of the country?

Is anyone ever really deported from the U.S., like in actually sent back to their country of origin? How does that work... we call a country up and say we have a 100 of your people that came here illegally, and are convicted criminals, and we need you to take them back, and they just say OK send them back. Or, we have 2,000 illegals that haven’t broken any other of our laws, but we need you to take them back right away, and they just say OK sure thing. Is anyone actually deported from the U.S., or just re-assigned to “Hilton-type” so-called detention centers with government assistance?

dgiharris said:

so basically, we think it is a good idea to set a trillion dollars on fire??

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Well why not ? Iraq and Afghanistan have both cost more to this day and not like US is leaving from either one any time soon.

inquiring mind said:

Is anyone ever really deported from the U.S., like in actually sent back to their country of origin? How does that work... we call a country up and say we have a 100 of your people that came here illegally, and are convicted criminals, and we need you to take them back, and they just say OK send them back. Or, we have 2,000 illegals that haven’t broken any other of our laws, but we need you to take them back right away, and they just say OK sure thing. Is anyone actually deported from the U.S., or just re-assigned to “Hilton-type” so-called detention centers with government assistance?

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US deports people all the time. THere are deportation centers all over the world. Depending on the country, the US State Department has various deals with various countries and we ship the deportee back to that country, give them a couple of hundred dollars (sometimes) and tell them "good luck".

Given that Canada does have slack immigration laws right now there have already been far too many getting free passes into this country while my sil couldn't work after his visa ran out and had to be sponsored with many repercussions on those who sponsored him in paying back any debts incurred until he could legally remain here. So these are very different times and I don't see this window being open for long in Canada.

inquiring mind said:

Is anyone ever really deported from the U.S., like in actually sent back to their country of origin? How does that work... we call a country up and say we have a 100 of your people that came here illegally, and are convicted criminals, and we need you to take them back, and they just say OK send them back. Or, we have 2,000 illegals that haven’t broken any other of our laws, but we need you to take them back right away, and they just say OK sure thing. Is anyone actually deported from the U.S., or just re-assigned to “Hilton-type” so-called detention centers with government assistance?

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Yes, many are forcibly deported to country of origin.

OldWiseGuy said:

I almost fell off my chair yesterday when a Latina "dreamer" being interviewed said that while she considered the U.S. her country and wanted to remain here that she would emigrate if forced to do so.

What she said next stunned me. She was a graduate medical student and revealed quite confidently that many other countries would be happy to have her, among those mentioned was Canada (which is known for liberal immigration policies).

I have been led to believe by the media and "dreamer" advocates that she and others would be sent to the third world country of their parents origin to live in hopeless squalor for the rest of their lives.

Who knew that other developed countries would welcome them with open arms, giving them nearly the same opportunities that they have enjoyed in the U.S.

I think Trump should reveal this fact. Perhaps it would change the tenor of the whole debate.

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A healthy, young, educated and ambitious adult?

Most nations on Earth world want.

Such young adults are expensive to raise, the result of much public investment, very economically valuable to any nation.

Part of why America was so successful. Having these immigrate here.

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Yes, many are forcibly deported to country of origin.

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One of the worst stories I heard about happened in the 80s.

Imagine growing up in the US thinking you are a US citizen all the way until you are 17 and applying for college scholarships. That was when a girl found out that her parents had lied to her her entire life and that she was an illegal alien that was smuggled into the country by her parents at age 2.

I remember her case was in the news. She was a straight A student and as American as Apple Pie, but the powers that be wanted to deport her and her family. I can't remember if she was allowed to stay or if she had to leave with her family...

I just remember thinking "Man, imagine if that happened to you. You think you are American your whole life and literally at the snap of a finger you are facing deportation at age 17..."