It’s Time to Bomb North Korea

jmldn2 said:

I would also ask you to delete it because it is propaganda for which I do not support.

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Based on your original request I tried to delete it but there isn't a delete button, then you stated in your second post that the post info was not true. For that reason the post stays.
Then when reality sinks in get back to me, ok

The OP says:
"It’s Time to Bomb North Korea"

which is a third graders response & I do not talk to third graders on a subject where calling for mass murder is an option
bye

vincejohnson said:

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here's looking at you~~
www.universalknowledge.net

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I believe you are saying you are in agreement with me on New Testament Pacifism.

If so, then....

Thank you, my friend;
And may God bless you greatly.

Jason0047 said:

I am not sure what you are trying to say, my friend.
If you say you are in agreement with me on New Testament Pacifism, then...
Thank you.

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I had to look up "pacifism" first but once done:
Pacifism
noun
1. the belief that any violence, including war, is unjustifiable under any circumstances, and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.
synonyms:
peacemaking, conscientious objection(s), passive resistance, peacemongering, nonviolence.

I totally, 100% agree.
Thank you for helping me see the light of day

vincejohnson said:

I had to look up "pacifism" first but once done:
Pacifism
noun
1. the belief that any violence, including war, is unjustifiable under any circumstances, and that all disputes should be settled by peaceful means.
synonyms:
peacemaking, conscientious objection(s), passive resistance, peacemongering, nonviolence.

I totally, 100% agree.
Thank you for letting me see the light of day

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You are most welcome.

Here is...

New Testament Scripture That Teaches Pacifism:

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Matthew 26:52-53
52 Then Jesus told him, "Put your sword back in its place because all who take up a sword will perish by a sword.
53 Or do you think that I cannot call on My Father, and He will provide Me at once with more than 12 legions of angels?

Matthew 5:44-45
44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Luke 6:27-29
27 But I say to you that listen, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,
28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you.
29 If anyone strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also;

Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return. Your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High; for he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

Matthew 5:39 But I say to you, Do not make use of force against an evil man; but to him who gives you a blow on the right side of your face let the left be turned. -Bible in Basic English

Luke 12:22 And he said to his disciples, "Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat, nor about your body, what you shall put on.

Matthew 7:12 In everything do to others as you would have them do to you; for this is the law and the prophets.

1 Peter 3:8-9
8 Finally, all of you, have unity of spirit, sympathy, love of the brethren, a tender heart and a humble mind.
9 Do not return evil for evil or reviling for reviling; but on the contrary bless, for to this you have been called, that you may obtain a blessing.

Romans 12:17-21
17 Never repay anyone evil for evil. Take thought for what is right and gracious and proper in the sight of everyone. - AMP
18 and do your best to live at peace with everyone. - CEV
19 Christian brothers, never pay back someone for the bad he has done to you. Let the anger of God take care of the other person. - NLV for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. - KJV

1 Thessalonians 5:15 See that none of you repays evil for evil, but always seek to do good to one another and to all.

1 Peter 2:21-23
21 For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.
22 He committed no sin; no guile was found on his lips.
23 When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten; but he trusted to him who judges justly.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

2 Corinthians 10:4 We do not use those things to fight with that the world uses. We use the things God gives to fight with and they have power. Those things God gives to fight with destroy the strong-places of the devil.

Luke 3:14 Do violence to no man,

John 8:7 But when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Matthew 10:28-31
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul; rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground without your Father’s will.
30 But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called sons of God.

James 3:18 The fruit of righteousness is sown in peace for them that make peace.

Romans 10:15. How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace.

Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore . . . having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace.

Ephesians 4:1-3
1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

Romans 16:20 The God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly.

2 Corinthians 13:11 Finally, brethren ... be perfected; be comforted; be of the same mind; live in peace: and the God of love and peace shall be with you.

Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus

Galatians 1:13 - For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it.

2 Timothy 3:12 - Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution

1 Peter 4:12-16
12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.
16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

1 Peter 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind...

Matthew 5:10 - Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

1 Corinthians 13:3 - and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profits me nothing.

Philippians 1:21 - For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Revelation 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Popular Common Objections:

Luke 22:36 is a popular objection because Jesus tells his disciples to buy a sword.

Here is a great article explaining this one in great detail.

WHY did Jesus ask His disciples to BUY A SWORD? He said: “he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one”. (Luke 22:36)

As for John the Baptist's silence on not telling the soldiers to quite the military in Luke 3:10-14 (Which is similar to Jesus's encounter with the Roman Centurion - Luke 7:1-10):

Check out this article here:

Did John the Baptist tell repentant soldiers to leave the military?

As for Jesus not telling the Roman Centurion not to quite the military or to do no more violence in Luke 7:1-10:

Well, you have to realize that salvation did not go out unto the Gentiles yet. They first preached the gospel to Israel first.

As for Romans 13:4 that says,

...for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

This is talking about how unbelieving authorities or nations (like a government's leaders, armies, and police) who are God's ministers to execute wrath or judgment on those who do evil. This is not talking about believers because it is telling the reader to be subject unto this higher powers (Romans 13:1). It does not tell the reader that they are these higher powers. The reader that Paul is writing to are believers (not the higher powers who are in authority whereby we are to be subject unto). In fact, God used both Assyria and Babylon to punish His people. So we can see that these nations were God's ministers of justice (Which would be in line with what is said in Romans 13).

Followers4christ said:

Who said anything about launching a nuclear attack? I am talking about launching a bunker buster taking out NK's nuclear capabilities. Which will make the world a safer place for all nations.,.,.,.,.

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A safer place my uss. North Korea will just build another atomic bomb and before the world realizes it they will bomb whoever bombed them first.

And this dumber than dumb act will mushroom into WW3 releasing all the other atomic bombs; wiping out mankind as we know it.

You don’t make peace with your neighbor by raping his wife first.

Followers4christ said:

If you read my previous post earlier in the thread before posting you would see that i mentioned that we have tried peace talks, given money, given aid, sanctions, military warnings and condemnation by other nations with no results.

If we take out NK nuclear capabilities it would take them years to rebuild. With NK's people and soldiers starving already, plus the sanctions harming their economy I doubt they could rebuild as you claim.

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Let the dead bury their own.

For we live by faith and not by sight. Jesus commands us to love our enemies. What America does is another story. We are Christians first. We are to obey God rather than men. Scripture tells us to imitate Christ in several places. As far as know, Jesus did not do any violence to any man. Yes, Jesus will return to destroy all nations that come up against Him, but that is something that is yet in the future and the Bible does not tell us to imitate His second coming. In any event, we have our orders; And a good soldier obeys His commander. For the idea that Christians can support war or go to war is an oxymoron. Such a position cannot be defended within the New Testament. On the contrary, Pacifism is what Jesus and His followers had taught within the NT.

Followers4christ said:

I talked about this on page 6. The link below talks more about this subject. From the link below:


Luke 3:14 allows military service
It is significant that John the Baptist did not tell the soldiers to leave the military when they asked him what it meant to repent: "And some soldiers were questioning him, saying, 'And what about us, what shall we do?' And he said to them, 'Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages'" (Luke 3:14). Since it is, therefore, possible to live a godly life and yet be in the military, it must be because engaging in war is not always sinful.

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And I already replied to this before. John the Baptist was telling them to "Do violence to no man" (Which is the latter half of verse 14, which you conveniently left out). So the Romans soldier had two choices.

(a) Try to obey orders within the frame work within not killing or hurting anyone (like a Desmond Doss).
(b) Leave the military.

You said:

John 18:36 acknowledges the right of the sword to earthly kingdoms
In this passage, Jesus says: "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting, that I might not be delivered up to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm." When Jesus says that if his kingdom were of this world his servants would be fighting, he implies that it is right for kingdoms of this world to fight when the cause is just and circumstances require it. As Christians, we are citizens of "two kingdoms"--our country on earth, and heaven. Jesus shows us that it is never right to fight for the sake of his spiritual kingdom, but that it is right to fight on behalf of earthly kingdoms (when necessary to counter evil and destruction).

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Actually Jesus nowhere says what you are saying here (unless of course you would like to quote the actual words of Jesus that says what you are saying). On the contrary, John 18:36 proves that Jesus was teaching Pacifism and not war here. For Jesus said,


Did Jesus's servants fight?

No.

For Scripture shows us that Christ's servants did not fight (thereby showing us that they are not of this world). That's the point. In fact, when Peter takes up his sword, Jesus rebukes him and says, "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." (Matthew 26:52).

Paul says we do not use weapons of that this world uses (2 Corinthians 10:4).
So you are seeing something in Scripture that is not there, my friend.

You said:

Romans 13:3-4 grants governments the right to use force to restrain and punish evil
Paul writes: "For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same; for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath upon the one who practices evil."

Here Paul affirms the government's right to use force in two ways. First, he says that it "does not bear the sword for nothing."

Read more in this article:

Did Jesus teach pacifism?

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As for Romans 13:4 that says,

...for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

This is talking about how unbelieving authorities or nations (like a government's leaders, armies, and police) who are God's ministers to execute wrath or judgment on those who do evil. This is not talking about believers because it is telling the reader to be subject unto these governing authorities or higher powers (Romans 13:1). It does not tell the reader that they are these higher powers. The reader that Paul is writing to are believers (not the higher powers who are in authority whereby we are to be subject unto). In fact, God used both Assyria and Babylon to punish His people. So we can see that these nations were God's ministers of justice (Which would be in line with what is said in Romans 13). However, just because God used Assyria and Babylon to punish his people, that does not mean God agreed with their sinful way of life without Him (And nor does it mean they were believers in GOD).

Followers4christ said:

I have lots of family who I love who are serving our country in our armed forces. But my kids are to young to serve right now (ages 3,2,1). But I would be proud when or if they serve in the military. Right now my brother is in the Navy and works with Nuclear missiles. So I know the risk of a nuclear weapons.

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This isn’t about the honor of service. The real risk is a conventional conflict if some idiot decides its a good idea to pull off a military approach to NK. If your kids were stationed in South Korea the threat would be much more real.

I know a three generation Marine family that feel differently after losing their son to PTSD after a few deployments. They are proud but much less gung ho about sending anybody’s kids into another questionable war.

Kim needs nukes to keep his perceived enemies at bay. Hussein was the same about chemical weapons. Then the US stupidly went preemptive.

Followers4christ said:

If you read my previous post earlier in the thread before posting you would see that i mentioned that we have tried peace talks, given money, given aid, sanctions, military warnings and condemnation by other nations with no results.

If we take out NK nuclear capabilities it would take them years to rebuild. With NK's people and soldiers starving already, plus the sanctions harming their economy I doubt they could rebuild as you claim.

If you want sources to any of this let me know.

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How many South Koreans and US service personnel are within artillary range of NK batteries?

cow451 said:

This isn’t about the honor of service. The real risk is a conventional conflict if some idiot decides its a good idea to pull off a military approach to NK. If your kids were stationed in South Korea the threat would be much more real.

I know a three generation Marine family that feel differently after losing their son to PTSD after a few deployments. They are proud but much less gung ho about sending anybody’s kids into another questionable war.

Kim needs nukes to keep his perceived enemies at bay. Hussein was the same about chemical weapons. Then the US stupidly went preemptive.

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As I recall, after 911, Republicans and democrats were on board the same ship and ready for action. For the first time in my life, I could see patriotism around me, something I had never experienced before. Generally parents do not "send", when "children" reach the age of 18, they are treated as adults, treated as independent decision makers, which is not to say they are free from external influences.

vincejohnson said:

My post above is not relevant to this OP. I will delete it if asked

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You've been asked to delete yet you haven't.

I don't think everyone can be PREZ of the USA.. hint hint. Just playing.

No bombing...not just yet. Well the Father is at work IN that country. As believer that are ONE in the spirit of God should know this.> See this.