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Peter1000 · Dec 28, 2017

mmksparbud said:
And the whole god thing in Psalms 82 has been explained several times over.

A core belief of Judaism is that there is only one God.

The Hebrew is:

אֲנִי-אָמַרְתִּי, אֱלֹהִים אַתֶּם; וּבְנֵי עֶלְיוֹן כֻּלְּכֶם.‏

The word אֱלֹהִים can mean "God". It can also mean Judge, Idolatrous god/power (note the distinction between God and gods), Important Person.

In this context, others translate it as "godlike beings", "angels", "angelic creatures". But definitely not "Gods".

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אֱלֹהִים as 'Power' or 'Powerful Ones.' That covers the different possible meanings of God, false gods, powerful people or angels. Those who are either powerful or are falsely thought to be powerful in this world.

Psalm 82 poetically plays on the different meanings of אֱלֹהִים to exhort judges to judge properly and support the weak and poor rather than favoring the rich and powerful.
God 'stands' in the midst of judges and will judge them.

How long will you (bad) judges favor the wicked? Give justice to the weak, the orphan and the poor. Rescue the needy and powerless from the hands of the wicked.

They (corrupt judges) do not know nor do they understand that they walk in darkness.

I thought all judges were Godly and powerful sons of the most High (i.e. good and righteous) But like all men, even powerful princes you will die.

Please God judge the world, you control all the nations.

In this context, others translate it as "godlike beings", "angels", "angelic creatures". But definitely not "Gods".

That is fine that they determine to translate how they wish. LDS only ask for the same consideration. When it says "I have said ye are gods, and ye are all the children of God", we believe it literally. Some don't, we do. It makes sense if we are literally the children of God that we could grow up to be like God. A pretty natural gowing up process. So our translation/interpretation is as good as any other man/institution.

Peter1000 · Dec 28, 2017

mmksparbud said:
JS didn't want to be LIKE God the Father---He teaches we become God the Father because God the Father was once human and became God and we can too. The bible teaches we can reflect His character. we will never BECOME God.

If you become as perfect as God is perfect, you are not only like God, but you are in fact a God. That is God's plan to create children that would grow up to be like Him and be God's themselves. That is how He expands His domain, which will expand forever and ever, with no end. His glory will never end and will never reach a zenith because His offspring will continue for ever and ever to call Him God.

mmksparbud · Dec 28, 2017

Peter1000 said:
That is fine that they determine to translate how they wish. LDS only ask for the same consideration. When it says "I have said ye are gods, and ye are all the children of God", we believe it literally. Some don't, we do. It makes sense if we are literally the children of God that we could grow up to be like God. A pretty natural gowing up process. So our translation/interpretation is as good as any other man/institution.

That is the point of it all isn't it?---Translation. What did the author mean--who cares what JS thought--what did God say to the authors??? And since God states over and over that there is no other God but Him and never will be---it is not saying what JS says it does. And we are not literally the children of God--we are His ADOPTED children---the literal children need never be adopted!!

Rescued One · Dec 28, 2017

Peter1000 said:
Are you aware that Jesus taught that his apostles and other will do greater things than he did. How is that possible?????
Regular men can be as perfect as God is???????????? (Matthew 5:40)
God said, Be ye holy, for I am holy????????? (1 Peter 1:16)
We can partake of the divine nature?????????? (2 Peter 1:4)

So according to the scriptures, we can be as perfect as God, we can be as holy as God and we can partake of God's nature. We can become like God. JS is right on target, according to the bible. That is a lost doctrine that JS restored by revelation from Jesus Christ. Somehow many years ago, people stopped believing in what the bible said about our relationship with God.

Men will never, ever be Gods, nor of the same substance as God.

Joseph Smith is the one who stopped believing what the Bible says.

Isaiah 43
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 44
6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God...

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Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Isaiah 45
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Rescued One · Dec 28, 2017

mmksparbud said:
JS didn't want to be LIKE God the Father---He teaches we become God the Father because God the Father was once human and became God and we can too. The bible teaches we can reflect His character. we will never BECOME God.

A little misunderstanding there --- they teach that humans become separate Gods.

mmksparbud · Dec 28, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
A little misunderstanding there --- they teach that humans become separate Gods.

Yes, but just like God in every way that He is God. Which just can't happen.

Rescued One · Dec 28, 2017

Peter1000 said:
That is fine that they determine to translate how they wish. LDS only ask for the same consideration. When it says "I have said ye are gods, and ye are all the children of God", we believe it literally. Some don't, we do. It makes sense if we are literally the children of God that we could grow up to be like God. A pretty natural gowing up process. So our translation/interpretation is as good as any other man/institution.

No, God is God --- the ONLY God. Mormonism teaches that humans are gods in embryo and can become Gods of other worlds.

Sanctification is NOT natural.

Rescued One · Dec 28, 2017

Peter1000 said:
If you become as perfect as God is perfect, you are not only like God, but you are in fact a God. That is God's plan to create children that would grow up to be like Him and be God's themselves. That is how He expands His domain, which will expand forever and ever, with no end. His glory will never end and will never reach a zenith because His offspring will continue for ever and ever to call Him God.

When do you call your supreme god's father God?

Peter1000 · Dec 29, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
When do you call your supreme god's father God?

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but, our supreme God is Elohim (God the Father), we call Him God.

Peter1000 · Dec 29, 2017

Phoebe Ann said:
No, God is God --- the ONLY God. Mormonism teaches that humans are gods in embryo and can become Gods of other worlds.

Sanctification is NOT natural.

When you say God is God--the only God, where is Jesus, the Son of God in this equation?

Mormons not only teach this, but the bible teaches this too. For instance the bible tells us to be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect. So since we are not perfect yet, we are only in the embryo stage of being as perfect as our Father.
Therefore we are perfected persons in embryo. A perfected person that is as perfect as God is perfect will be a God themselves.

If we become as perfect as our Father is perfect, He will take the steps necessary to sanctify us in the normal process of becoming a God. It is a supernatural event that will be done in the natural process of becoming a God.

Rescued One · Dec 29, 2017

Peter1000 said:
I'm not sure what you are talking about, but, our supreme God is Elohim (God the Father), we call Him God.

Don't be in such a hurry. What do you call Elohim's Father? If Elohim didn't do what his father did, he didn't earn eternal life.

Rescued One · Dec 29, 2017

Peter1000 said:
When you say God is God--the only God, where is Jesus, the Son of God in this equation?

Jesus is God.
CF Statement of Faith | Christian Forums

Peter1000 said:
Mormons not only teach this, but the bible teaches this too. For instance the bible tells us to be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect. So since we are not perfect yet, we are only in the embryo stage of being as perfect as our Father.
Therefore we are perfected persons in embryo. A perfected person that is as perfect as God is perfect will be a God themselves.

No, we won't become a God. There is only ONE God.

Isaiah 43
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Peter1000 said:
If we become as perfect as our Father is perfect, He will take the steps necessary to sanctify us in the normal process of becoming a God. It is a supernatural event that will be done in the natural process of becoming a God.

Sanctification has never made and never will make a person a God.

Isaiah 43
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Peter1000 · Jan 8, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Don't be in such a hurry. What do you call Elohim's Father? If Elohim didn't do what his father did, he didn't earn eternal life.

We have not been given Elohim's Father's name. It is unecessary to know His name. He is not our God.

If Jesus did not do what he saw his Father do, he would not have been able to save you. So we can expect that would be the same for Jesus's Father.

Peter1000 · Jan 8, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Jesus is God.
CF Statement of Faith | Christian Forums

Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father, who is distinct from Jesus and has His own will. So if Jesus is distinct from God the Father and Jesus is the one God, where does his distinct Father show up in this equation. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Where does the HS show up in your Trinity, he too is distinct from the Father and the Son??????????

Isaiah 43
10Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Which Lord is speaking????? Is it God the Father? Is it God the Son? or is it God the HS? You have to tell me which one of these distinct Gods is speaking in this scripture????

mmksparbud · Jan 8, 2018

Peter1000 said:
We have not been given Elohim's Father's name. It is unecessary to know His name. He is not our God.

If Jesus did not do what he saw his Father do, he would not have been able to save you. So we can expect that would be the same for Jesus's Father.

Whose God is He? What God do you pray to?" It is Him that Jesus told us to pray to.
And what does it matter which of the 3 it is?---There is only One God. According to the bible, the same one that Jesus read. The bible that all first Christians were converted by, the same one that JS calls corrupt and doesn't believe when it says One God. I guess you don't think it is as good as Jesus and the disciples considered it to be either?

Rescued One · Jan 9, 2018

Peter1000 said:
If you become as perfect as God is perfect, you are not only like God, but you are in fact a God. That is God's plan to create children that would grow up to be like Him and be God's themselves. That is how He expands His domain, which will expand forever and ever, with no end. His glory will never end and will never reach a zenith because His offspring will continue for ever and ever to call Him God.

Do you worship Heavenly Father's father? What makes you think your great-grandchildren will worship your heavenly father?

fatboys · Jan 10, 2018

Phoebe Ann said:
Do you worship Heavenly Father's father? What makes you think your great-grandchildren will worship your heavenly father?

Why do you bring up questions you already know the answers to? This is not a
Serious discussion

mmksparbud · Jan 10, 2018

fatboys said:
Why do you bring up questions you already know the answers to? This is not a
Serious discussion

Others would like to know--why can't she ask--and you haven't answered any of my questions.

Rescued One · Jan 10, 2018

fatboys said:
Why do you bring up questions you already know the answers to? This is not a
Serious discussion

I didn't ask what does your church teach. There's never a serious discussion with you because you don't like to discuss Mormonism. You don't answer questions.

Rescued One · Jan 10, 2018

Peter1000 said:
Jesus is God, but he is not God the Father, who is distinct from Jesus and has His own will. So if Jesus is distinct from God the Father and Jesus is the one God, where does his distinct Father show up in this equation. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. Where does the HS show up in your Trinity, he too is distinct from the Father and the Son??????????

Which Lord is speaking????? Is it God the Father? Is it God the Son? or is it God the HS? You have to tell me which one of these distinct Gods is speaking in this scripture????

Do you think Jesus and His Father and the Holy Spirit don't know all truth? Which one of them is lacking in knowledge?

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