The Coming Antichrist is... The Devil In Person

Davy · Jan 7, 2018

he-man said:
ABaddon in Koine Greek means abyss, the place of the dead and has no meaning at all of an angel. I know that Christ is not an angel, I also know that no Angel has ever gone to Hell. The meaning is only that Jesus has the keys to death and dying. When he locks the abyss, it simply means that death, evil, and destruction are on hold for a thousand years and that those who live during that time frame, will be given a choice, to serve God or to ignore Him. Revelation 9:1; Revelation 20:1-3

"Abaddon" is from Hebrew, not Greek. It means 'destruction' (see Proverbs 27:20). Both Apollyon and Abaddon are given as proper names for Satan who is the angel of the bottomless pit. He is that "king" given there because he is ruler of the abode of the wicked called hell.

No, you cannot say no angel has ever gone to hell, because of the Rev.9:11 verse:

Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV

The bottomless pit is... the abode of hell. That's what the abyss represents.

And the timing of Rev.9:1 is definitely... NOT the time of Jesus' future thousand years reign. The angel of Rev.9:1 is this same "angel of the bottomless pit" that is a king. Surely you don't think our Lord Jesus is that king over the bottomless pit?@&$!

he-man · Jan 7, 2018

Davy said:
"Abaddon" is from Hebrew, not Greek. It means 'destruction' (see Proverbs 27:20). Both Apollyon and Abaddon are given as proper names for Satan who is the angel of the bottomless pit. He is that "king" given there because he is ruler of the abode of the wicked called hell.
No, you cannot say no angel has ever gone to hell, because of the
Rev 9:11
11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
KJV
The bottomless pit is... the abode of hell. That's what the abyss represents.

he-man said:

ABaddon (αΒαδδων G3 Strong) in Koine Greek means abyss, (ΕΒραιστι Hebrew origin) the place of the dead and has no meaning at all of an angel. I know that Christ is not an angel, I also know that no Angel has ever gone to Hell. The meaning is only that Jesus has the keys to death and dying. When he locks the abyss, it simply means that death, evil, and destruction are on hold for a thousand years and that those who live during that time frame, will be given a choice, to serve God or to ignore Him. Revelation 9:1; Revelation 20:1-3

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The Kings and their armies are the beast ( apollyon). They are represented by Modern day Syria (Persia); Lybia, USA, Russia, etc. And all who stand up against Christ in the war where Christ destroys them all who do not repent. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall pay the penalty of destruction Everlasting.

Riberra · Jan 8, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible.

There is no 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation.

The 7 Trumpets mentioned in the Book of Revelation are TRIBULATION Trumpets ,they are ALL related to plagues that will occurs on the Earth ...including the 7 Th Trumpet who is associated to the THIRD WOE ie Satan who will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12:12 and the 42 months reign of the Beast Revelation 13 .

The Trumpet mentioned in Matthew 24:31 WHO WILL SOUND AFTER THE TRIBULATION is the LAST TRUMPET mentioned in 1Co 15:52 and the Trump of God mentioned in 1 Thess 14:13-17 who will sound the resurrection of the DEAD believers and the changing and the gathering of the believers still alive and REMAIN UNTO the COMING OF JESUS ----->> Matthew 24:29-31.

Riberra · Jan 8, 2018

he-man said:
The Kings and their armies are the beast ( apollyon). They are represented by Modern day Syria (Persia); Lybia, USA, Russia, etc. And all who stand up against Christ in the war where Christ destroys them all who do not repent. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall pay the penalty of destruction Everlasting.

The Kings and their armies will be under the orders of Angel Abaddon [The Beast ]--->>Revelation 17:12-14

Abaddon and the false prophet will be cast ALIVE into the Lake of Fire unto the Coming of Jesus .

While the Kings and their armies will be slain by Jesus and their flesh will be eated by the birds.

Revelation 19:20-21
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought the signs in his sight, wherewith he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast and them that worshipped his image: these TWO were cast alive into the lake of fire that burneth with brimstone:

21 and the rest were killed with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, [even the sword] which came forth out of his mouth: and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

AND Satan will be locked into the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years...-The Biblical Proof that Satan is NOT the angel Abaddon.-

Revelation 20:1-3

1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut [it], and sealed [it] over him, that he should deceive the nations no more, until the thousand years should be finished: after this he must be loosed for a little time.

Davy · Jan 8, 2018

You cannot use the Greek for Abaddon to describe the one spoken of in Rev.9:11. Abaddon is pointing to the Hebrew word, not the Greek. It's the same for the word Armageddon, which is actually from the Hebrew about the valley of Megiddon.

Riberra · Jan 8, 2018

Davy said:
You cannot use the Greek for Abaddon to describe the one spoken of in Rev.9:11. Abaddon is pointing to the Hebrew word, not the Greek. It's the same for the word Armageddon, which is actually from the Hebrew about the valley of Megiddon.

Even if the NAME ABADDON means DESTRUCTION or The DESTROYER , he is described as being An ANGEL Revelation 9:11

Revelation 9:11
11 They have over them as king the ANGEL of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek [tongue] he hath the name Apollyon.

BABerean2 · Jan 8, 2018

Riberra said:
The 7 Trumpets mentioned in the Book of Revelation are TRIBULATION Trumpets ,they are ALL related to plagues that will occurs on the Earth ...including the 7 Th Trumpet who is associated to the THIRD WOE ie Satan who will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12:12 and the 42 months reign of the Beast Revelation 13 .

The Trumpet mentioned in Matthew 24:31 WHO WILL SOUND AFTER THE TRIBULATION is the LAST TRUMPET mentioned in 1Co 15:52 and the Trump of God mentioned in 1 Thess 14:13-17 who will sound the resurrection of the DEAD believers and the changing and the gathering of the believers still alive and REMAIN UNTO the COMING OF JESUS ----->> Matthew 24:29-31.

It looks like we are back to the fact that during a Blood Moon the moon does not give its light, in Revelation chapter 6.

We know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order because Christ returns as a thief in Revelation 16:15-16 and He also returns in chapter 19.

The time of the judgment of the dead, along with rewards for some and destruction for others is found in Revelation 11:18.
This is what the text says, if we take it at face value, instead of trying to ignore it.

You are still trying to make the book chronological, in order to get your viewpoint to work.
This will only produce the confusion often seen on this forum.

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Davy · Jan 8, 2018

Riberra said:
Even if the NAME ABADDON means DESTRUCTION or The DESTROYER , he is described as being An ANGEL Revelation 9:11

Revelation 9:11
11 They have over them as king the ANGEL of the abyss: his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek [tongue] he hath the name Apollyon.

That's correct. I'm not disagreeing with the fact about that one named Abaddon is the angel of the bottomless pit (i.e., Satan himself). I'm disagreeing with usage of Abaddon to mean the abyss when in in the Hebrew it definitely is... about the idea of the destroyer. So I essentially agree with you on that.

Truth7t7 · Jan 8, 2018

Riberra said:
The 7 Trumpets mentioned in the Book of Revelation are TRIBULATION Trumpets ,they are ALL related to plagues that will occurs on the Earth ...including the 7 Th Trumpet who is associated to the THIRD WOE ie Satan who will be cast out of Heaven Revelation 12:12 and the 42 months reign of the Beast Revelation 13 .

The Trumpet mentioned in Matthew 24:31 WHO WILL SOUND AFTER THE TRIBULATION is the LAST TRUMPET mentioned in 1Co 15:52 and the Trump of God mentioned in 1 Thess 14:13-17 who will sound the resurrection of the DEAD believers and the changing and the gathering of the believers still alive and REMAIN UNTO the COMING OF JESUS ----->> Matthew 24:29-31.

The trumpets seen in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 11:15 are all one in the same "Last Trump" End Of This World.

As Barean clearly stated, the book of Revelation "Is Not" in chronological order, it is seen in "Parallel Teachings" of the same events.

The return of Jesus Christ, The final Judgment is seen several times in different chapters.

Example: Final Judgment

Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:11-15

he-man · Jan 8, 2018

Davy said:
You cannot use the Greek for Abaddon to describe the one spoken of in Rev.9:11. Abaddon is pointing to the Hebrew word, not the Greek. It's the same for the word Armageddon, which is actually from the Hebrew about the valley of Megiddon.

Rev 19:19-21 And the Kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together - There is allusion here to the same assemblying of hostile forces which is described in Rev 16:13-14, for the great decisive battlen that is to determine the destiny of the world - the question whether the Messiah or antichrist shall reign. There can be no doubt that the writer in these passages designed to refer to the same events - the still future scenes that are to occur when the Roman, the pagan, and the Muhammedian powers shall be aroused to make common cause against the true rligion, and shall stake all on the issue of the great conflict. [BARNES] And I saw the beast,.... not the devil, for after this he is taken and bound for a thousand years, then loosed, and laid hold on again, and cast into the lake of fire; not but that this war will be by his instigation, and under his influence, Rev. 16:14 not the Roman pagan empire, which has been destroyed long ago, under the sixth seal, and was the issue of the battle between Michael and his angels, and the dragon and his; but the antichristian civil powers, or the antichrist in his civil capacity; and which, though it may chiefly regard the WESTERN antichrist (USA), and the remains of the Latin idolatry, yet may also take in tne Eastern antichrist and or the Mahometan powers, which may all join together in this battle; the beast will survive for a while the downfall of his seat, Babylon or Rome. [GILL]Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. [Robertson]

he-man said:
ABaddon in Koine Greek means abyss, the place of the dead and has no meaning at all of an angel. I know that Christ is not an angel, I also know that no Angel has ever gone to Hell. The meaning is only that Jesus has the keys to death and dying. When he locks the abyss, it simply means that death, evil, and destruction are on hold for a thousand years and that those who live during that time frame, will be given a choice, to serve God or to ignore Him. Revelation 9:1; Revelation 20:1-3

The kings spoken of are represented by Syria, Lybia, Russia, USA,

he-man · Jan 8, 2018

he-man said:
And what does Apollyon mean in Greek? Απολλυμι = destroyer, mostly in battle see Revelation 19:19-21; the Kings it is speaking of is the DESTROYER Kings and the Armies that are controlled by those who represent the King, Russia, USA, Syria, Libyia, Persia (modern day Syria) as they all gather to the Holy land for the last great battle.

huh

Ronald · Jan 8, 2018

Davy said:
A very simple error many brethren make when reading the Rev.13:1-2 Scripture that's about a beast 'kingdom' is thinking it's about a person. There's 2 separate 'beast' ideas taught in Rev.13, the first one is about the beast 'kingdom', and the second one is about the beast 'king' with the "another beast" of Rev.13:11 forward. The pronoun "his" in the Rev.13:1-2 verses fool many when it's simply a Greek word for the third person pronoun that can be translated as 'he, she, it, his, her, them, etc.' It should be thought of the beast kingdom being 'his' (the dragon's) because the dragon we are told is who gives him his power, or really its power.

The Beast is Satan, the Dragon, with seven heads and ten horns (nations/leaders). Collectively they are the Beast.
Rev. 12:3, 4 Describes "his tail drew a third of the stars (angels) of heaven and threw them to the earth. This is historical, already happened. When Lucifer became Satan and took 1/3 of the angels with him. The Satan has empowered many kingdoms throughout history: Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman and now he will gather ten nations. Satan is the Beast. We look at the Church as the Body of Christ collectively. Satan has his evil body, which is the Beast as well, since it is empowered by hi,

Davy said:
In light of that, with being shown in Rev.17:9 that the seven heads are "seven mountains", it means the 'deadly wound' must be upon one of the "seven mountains". This is another reason why the Rev.13:1-2 beast is about a kingdom. The seven heads represent geographical areas on the earth. Thus one of beast's heads suffers a wound.

Possibly it is a country like Iraq or Syria, that has suffered a great wound. However, "the beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition, ..." Rev. 17:8
A nation doesn't rise out of the bottomless pit, demons do, Satan as well. Of course the mystery Babylon is the harlot that has seduced the world. Her origins go way back when God confused their language and scattered them throughout. All the false religions, philosophies, mysticism, astrology, occults, etc. came from Babylon. So the world system without God, is Babylon. And so Satan has manifested himself, the Beast throughout history many times in many forms. Now, I do suspect he is manifesting himself through Islam and a group of Islamic nations.

Davy said:
There is no Scripture evidence that Satan will possess the flesh body of some man for the beast working at the end of this world. That is an assumption based on Satan influencing Judas and Peter during our Lord Jesus' Ministry. Revelation 12:7 forward reveals Satan and his angels being booted out of the heavenly dimension down to our earthly dimension, and that changes the game of 'how' he will operate his deceptions.

The Antichrist is a leader, who was (the seventh horn), then is not (dead or in a coma), then becomes the eighth (Rev.17:11) As the seventh he had no power, then all of sudden miraculous powers as of an fallen angel, Satan himself. It should be no surprise to you that demons possess humans - do I need to refresh scriptures? This is the ultimate war in the End Times and Satan is directly in battle himself and has a showdown with Jesus. How else would he have it? After it all ends, He and the antichrist are thrown down into the Abyss and held captive for 1000 years.

Davy said:
I think we can... know, even that our Lord Jesus made it very plain when we listen to Him in His Word. It will be the "dragon", the one we are shown in Rev.13:4-8 that the whole world will worship (excepting Christ's elect).

That's right, He is the dragon, manifested as Islam and Rev. 20:4 proves that his signature is chopping off heads. Does that sound familiar. HELLO.

Davy · Jan 8, 2018

he-man said:
Rev 19:19-21 And the Kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together - There is allusion here to the same assemblying of hostile forces which is described in Rev 16:13-14, for the great decisive battlen that is to determine the destiny of the world - the question whether the Messiah or antichrist shall reign. There can be no doubt that the writer in these passages designed to refer to the same events - the still future scenes that are to occur when the Roman, the pagan, and the Muhammedian powers shall be aroused to make common cause against the true rligion, and shall stake all on the issue of the great conflict. [BARNES]

Barnes is correct, Rev.19:19-21 and Rev.16:13-14 are linked to the same event of being gathered for the final battle of this world.

And I saw the beast,.... not the devil, for after this he is taken and bound for a thousand years, then loosed, and laid hold on again, and cast into the lake of fire; not but that this war will be by his instigation, and under his influence, Rev. 16:14 not the Roman pagan empire, which has been destroyed long ago, under the sixth seal, and was the issue of the battle between Michael and his angels, and the dragon and his; but the antichristian civil powers, or the antichrist in his civil capacity; and which, though it may chiefly regard the WESTERN antichrist (USA), and the remains of the Latin idolatry, yet may also take in tne Eastern antichrist and or the Mahometan powers, which may all join together in this battle; the beast will survive for a while the downfall of his seat, Babylon or Rome. [GILL]Rev 16:16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. [Robertson]
The kings spoken of are represented by Syria, Lybia, Russia, USA,

But that is not correct. The USA is not aligned with the beast nations but will be attacked by the beast nations, even as radical Islam is preparing to attack the western Christian nations even now. The armies out of the northern quarters that come upon God's people are given in the list of Ezek.38. The USA is not on that list, but is part of the Israel mentioned there under attack.

Davy · Jan 8, 2018

Ronald said:
The Beast is Satan, the Dragon, with seven heads and ten horns (nations/leaders). Collectively they are the Beast.
Rev. 12:3, 4 Describes "his tail drew a third of the stars (angels) of heaven and threw them to the earth. This is historical, already happened. When Lucifer became Satan and took 1/3 of the angels with him. The Satan has empowered many kingdoms throughout history: Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Egyptian, Greek, Roman and now he will gather ten nations. Satan is the Beast. We look at the Church as the Body of Christ collectively. Satan has his evil body, which is the Beast as well, since it is empowered by hi,

I cannot agree with the collectivist single beast idea applied to it. Rev.13 is purposefully giving us 2 different 'beasts', and we are to understand them separately...

Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

That makes a distinction between 2 separate beasts. If the Rev.13 chapter didn't do that, then we could rightly just label all the Rev.13 descriptions about a single 'beast'.

And obviously that "another beast", a 2nd beast, is not about a kingdom, but a person, and the only other type beast symbol applied in Daniel is about the idea of a 'beast king', especially in the Dan.4 chapter about Nebuchadnezzar being made low to literally live like a wild beast for a time.

Riberra · Jan 8, 2018

BABerean2 said:
The time of the judgment of the dead, along with rewards for some and destruction for others is found in Revelation 11:18.
This is what the text says, if we take it at face value, instead of trying to ignore it.

But i am not ignoring that it is mention that the time of judging the DEAD is in the text and giving the reward to the prophets and the martyred SAINTS who are also DEAD.
What will follow will be the Judgment of those who will be ALIVE ....and they will be judged upon their decision of taking the mark of the Beast OR NOT Revelation 14:9-13.

Don't forget that the 42 months reign of the Beast when the beast will impose the worship of his person and of his image and force everyone to take the mark ,will happen BEFORE the Coming of Jesus whatever the order that you think the Book of Revelation have been written.

Truth7t7 · Jan 8, 2018

"Davy said:
Rev 13:11-12
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.[/COLOR]

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
KJV

That makes a distinction between 2 separate beasts. If the Rev.13 chapter didn't do that, then we could rightly just label all the Rev.13 descriptions about a single 'beast'.

And obviously that "another beast", a 2nd beast, is not about a kingdom, but a person, and the only other type beast symbol applied in Daniel is about the idea of a 'beast king', especially in the Dan.4 chapter about Nebuchadnezzar being made low to literally live like a wild beast for a time.

I believe your two beast represent the antichrist and false prophet.

The false prophet/two horned beast will use false miracles, to get the world to worship the Antichrist/first beast, he is the wolf in Lambs clothing Revelation 19:20

As scripture clearly teaches the Antichrist and False Prophet represent the two beast seen.

BABerean2 · Jan 8, 2018

Riberra said:
But i am not ignoring that it is mention that the time of judging the DEAD is in the text and giving the reward to the prophets and the martyred SAINTS who are also DEAD.
What will follow will be the Judgment of those who will be ALIVE ....and they will be judged upon their decision of taking the mark of the Beast OR NOT
Revelation 14

Don't forget that the 42 months reign of the Beast will happen BEFORE the Coming of Jesus whatever the order that you think the Book of Revelation have been written.

Claiming that Satan and the wicked angels are cast out of heaven after the time of the judgment of the dead does not work, based on what is written in the rest of the New
Testament.

Joh 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

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Riberra · Jan 8, 2018

Truth7t7 said:
The trumpets seen in 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18, Revelation 10:6-7, Revelation 11:15 are all one in the same "Last Trump" End Of This World.

As Barean clearly stated, the book of Revelation "Is Not" in chronological order, it is seen in "Parallel Teachings" of the same events.

The return of Jesus Christ, The final Judgment is seen several times in different chapters.

Example: Final Judgment

Revelation 11:18, Revelation 20:11-15

Those who will still be alive upon the Coming of Jesus will be judged upon this --->Revelation 14:9-13

This refers obviously to the 42 months reign of the Beast mentioned in Revelation 13 who will PRECEDE the Coming Of Jesus for the Battle of Armageddon.

Revelation 14:9-13
9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, If any man worshippeth the beast and his image, and receiveth a mark on his forehead, or upon his hand, 10 he also shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: 11 and the smoke of their torment goeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day and night, they that worship the beast and his image, and whoso receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard the voice from heaven saying, Write, Blessed are the dead who DIE in the Lord from henceforth: yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labors; for their works follow with them.

Riberra · Jan 8, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Claiming that Satan and the wicked angels are cast out of heaven after the time of the judgment of the dead does not work, based on what is written in the rest of the New
B]Testament.[/B]

Then... if that please you more, you can say that Satan will be cast out of Heaven before the Judgment of the DEAD.....that will not change the fact that those who will be alive will be judged upon their decision to take the mark and worship the beast during the 42 months reign of the beast who will precede the judgment of the dead ----as you can see whatever the formula used the 42 months reign of the beast will still be in the equation.

Revelation 14:9-13 will apply for all those who will be alive during the 42 months reign of the beast/antichrist.

Truth7t7 · Jan 8, 2018

Riberra said:
But i am not ignoring that it is mention that the time of judging the DEAD is in the text and giving the reward to the prophets and the martyred SAINTS who are also DEAD.
What will follow will be the Judgment of those who will be ALIVE ....and they will be judged upon their decision of taking the mark of the Beast OR NOT Revelation 14:9-13.

Don't forget that the 42 months reign of the Beast when the beast will impose the worship of his person and of his image and force everyone to take the mark ,will happen BEFORE the Coming of Jesus whatever the order that you think the Book of Revelation have been written.

Wrong!

Revelation 11:18 & Revelation 20:11-15 are the "Very Same" final judgment seen in parallel teachings.

The book of Revelation "Is Not" in chronological order as you seem to believe and teach.

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