The Coming Antichrist is... The Devil In Person
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Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
You might notice that the birth, and ascension of Christ is also found in the passage.
When did those events occur?
We also know the passage is found after the 7th trumpet and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:15-18.
You will notice that Satan stood before the mother of Christ, which means Satan was on earth at that time. This is a reference to Herod attempting to kill the man-child.
He was also on earth at the time he tempted Eve.
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Revelation 12:1-5 is history lesson ----NOTICE in verse 5 it is said that Jesus have ascended to Heaven .
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Thus what follow in Rev 12:6 through Rev 12:17 concerning the woman and the REST of her SEED ie The believers in Jesus Christ [Christians] unto whom Satan will pour out his wrath upon--->> is still yet to come....
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Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.
10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.
12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast down to the earth, he persecuted the woman that brought forth the man [child].
14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman water as a river, that he might cause her to be carried away by the stream.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war WITH THE REST OF HER SEED, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus:
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Can you explain the beginning of verse 4?
Rev 12:4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
Where was the dragon when Christ was about to be born?
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he-man
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You said:
I replied,
The point is why are you not seeing that the word means destruction, if you know some Hebrew and some Greek? Why do you not know that those who are fiends or enemies of Christ, are the Kings (Presidents) who are the beasts that will gather to the final war to try to defeat him? Revelation 19:19-21
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I know that Appolyon means destroyer. He is an entity . You are making an agument by yourself and I am not going to indulge you. You said Abaddon/Apollyon was the bottomless pit. You said nothing about destruction in your post here
So your point is moot since it is not what you and I were discussing. And by your own words, you stand corrected.There is nothing else to say on this.
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His tail got caught in the door when it closed and he lashed out in pain
He was at the same place he is now , seeking who he may devour as the prince of the air -he is free to roam wherever he desires
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On the Earth...
The Bible tell us that Satan is the prince of this World since the fall of Adam and Eve.
The Bible in Job tell us also that Satan is free to go back and forth from the Earth to Heaven where God reside.
And in Revelation 12:7-9 it is said that one day still in the future, Satan and his angels will be cast out of Heaven down to the Earth and will not have access to Heaven anymore.
Revelation 12:7-9
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels [going forth] to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels; 8 And they prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.
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Here is the problem with your interpretation of the passage.
We have seen over and over again that the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
The text jumps back and forth from past to future, sometimes within the same chapter. This fact is proven with the birth and death of Christ in chapter 12.
The Second Coming of Christ and the time of the judgment of the dead are found in Revelation 11:15-18.
If you are going to claim that the book is in chronological order, then you have Satan being cast out of heaven after the time of the judgment of the dead in chapter 11.
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Where do you find the mention that Jesus is Coming in Revelation 11:15-18 ?
The judgments described and actions that will follow are decided from HEAVEN.
Exactly.....those who are ALIVE will be judged upon their decision to worship the Beast [that Satan will give his power] and take his mark OR NOT.
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I don't disagree with Rev. 19:19-21. Where did you get the idea that I disagree with any part?
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Because it says the term for beast is a reproach; like the Latin bellua. According to Strongs G2342 which originated from θηρα G2339. It is a metaphor of preparing destruction of Man; Thayer, MIDDLELIDDLE; Hp.Coac.459; Loc.Hom.28. The reference to the beast is Babylon as in Jeremiah 50:41-46 and Jeremiah 51:39-40; so you can see the "beast" is like the reproach of the King of Babylon, and is the applied to Rev 19:19, to show that the Kings referred to are men who control the armies of this world today and the Beast (οηριοω ) are the kings of the world armies today, and not some imagined super power or devil..
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Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
(When do the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever"? Does this occur before or after Satan is cast out of heaven?)
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
(When is the time that the dead will be judged, with some being destroyed and others being rewarded? What does the text above say? We also have the "nations" and the "wrath", all in the same verse.)
The 7th trumpet is the last trumpet in the Bible.
There is no 8th trumpet in the Book of Revelation.
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