LDS For Not Following Joseph Smith?

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I agree with except for one thing---we can, and quite often do, lie to ourselves! We can talk ourselves into believing anything. Like that crazy man that you're married to really does love you even though he beats you up once a week, and you really can stop drinking anytime you want, you will start that diet tomorrow, there is not that all much fat and calories in a double whopper cheeseburger with fries and a milkshake----JS did, too, see an angel-----list is endless. We can even block out the Holy Spirit and grieve Him away.
Who can convince themselves there is not a lot of fat and calories in a milkshake and cheeseburger? You can’t And JS was a liar and deceiver he has earned the 2nd death as a false teacher as he knew he what he chose to do was deceitful. Likewise One would know if the HS witnessed to their spirit that they belonged to Christ Jesus.
 
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Who can convince themselves there is not a lot of fat and calories in a milkshake and cheeseburger? You can’t And JS was a liar and deceiver he has earned the 2nd death as a false teacher as he knew he what he chose to do was deceitful. Likewise One would know if the HS witnessed to their spirit that they belonged to Christ Jesus.

You'd be surprised how many people do not think there is all that much calories in that meal. I've argued with some of them.

In all fairness, we must concede the fact that we can not read the heart of anyone. It is possible that JS was deceived by Satan with a false apparition and instead of testing the spirit, as the bible cautions, he went along with it---like Eve. It was appealing to think that this being singled him out above the rest of humanity to tell him some deep dark secret none else knew that also feeds on the desire for power (becoming God). With some of the things I've learned in these few years--I am more inclined to think it came strictly from him, esp. when it came to the multiple wives, but I can't know that for sure. It can be proven that he had no known children, but it can not be proven he did not have sex with those women.
 
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Who can convince themselves there is not a lot of fat and calories in a milkshake and cheeseburger? You can’t And JS was a liar and deceiver he has earned the 2nd death as a false teacher as he knew he what he chose to do was deceitful. Likewise One would know if the HS witnessed to their spirit that they belonged to Christ Jesus.
Randy777, when I was ~6 six years old, I was going through a really rough time in life. I was bogged down in the difficulties of life and in pain this existence can bring. I also felt weighed down for my own shortcomings- that I couldn’t do this or that, that I wasn’t good enough, or that I had done wrong things, even things which brought pain to those I loved. There was so much I regretted, so much I wanted to get away from—part of me even hated myself for all of this. I felt very alone in all this, that no one self could understand what I was going through.


During this time I would frequently go out the backyard swing set for solace to think with hanging upside on the monkey-bar swing for hours, just thinking. Sometimes I would get bogged down in my self-hatred. Sometimes I would say a prayer to fight off those demonic feelings. I wonder the purpose of it all. On one such day, a song came into my mind that I had learned at church that day:


“Heavenly Father, are you really there?

And do you hear and answer ev'ry child's prayer?

Some say that heaven is far away,

But I feel it close around me as I pray.

Heavenly Father, I remember now

Something that Jesus told disciples long ago:

"Suffer the children to come to me."

Father, in prayer I'm coming now to thee.”


I remembered that song. I remembered the story of Jesus which went along with it. I remembered how He asked specifically for the little children to come to Him, and blessed them. I remember how He lived, prayed, and died to understand all of us and to save us from evil. He suffered for all of it—He understood all of it—even the littlest thing. Like Jesus understood exactly what it was like to have a sister-with-a-temper! He also understood the more complicated things I was going through. And there was a reason for it! The end of all this struggle was so glorious—such amazing great things to come! God hadn’t forgotten about me or anything- I was His child- He cared beyond measure.


I sat on that swing and just poured my heart out in prayer. I can’t express the relief to have someone to talk to- to have someone to understand. That feelings of welcome and love….And then, to have someone to that could Heal on top of it—that knit up my heart so much that day. To express it in words…. “the best hug ever!” is what my little self called it, and those are probably the best words I still have at ~28 (or however old I am now).


As I grew up more, I had more moments and wavering and certainty in faith, and in God. I knew God was the person whom Understood everything I was going though: my wishes, my desires, my pains. I devote myself to Him every day: He is my Lord, my Savior, the only begotten Son of God.
 
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Randy777, when I was ~6 six years old, I was going through a really rough time in life. I was bogged down in the difficulties of life and in pain this existence can bring. I also felt weighed down for my own shortcomings- that I couldn’t do this or that, that I wasn’t good enough, or that I had done wrong things, even things which brought pain to those I loved. There was so much I regretted, so much I wanted to get away from—part of me even hated myself for all of this. I felt very alone in all this, that no one self could understand what I was going through.


During this time I would frequently go out the backyard swing set for solace to think with hanging upside on the monkey-bar swing for hours, just thinking. Sometimes I would get bogged down in my self-hatred. Sometimes I would say a prayer to fight off those demonic feelings. I wonder the purpose of it all. On one such day, a song came into my mind that I had learned at church that day:


“Heavenly Father, are you really there?

And do you hear and answer ev'ry child's prayer?

Some say that heaven is far away,

But I feel it close around me as I pray.

Heavenly Father, I remember now

Something that Jesus told disciples long ago:

"Suffer the children to come to me."

Father, in prayer I'm coming now to thee.”


I remembered that song. I remembered the story of Jesus which went along with it. I remembered how He asked specifically for the little children to come to Him, and blessed them. I remember how He lived, prayed, and died to understand all of us and to save us from evil. He suffered for all of it—He understood all of it—even the littlest thing. Like Jesus understood exactly what it was like to have a sister-with-a-temper! He also understood the more complicated things I was going through. And there was a reason for it! The end of all this struggle was so glorious—such amazing great things to come! God hadn’t forgotten about me or anything- I was His child- He cared beyond measure.


I sat on that swing and just poured my heart out in prayer. I can’t express the relief to have someone to talk to- to have someone to understand. That feelings of welcome and love….And then, to have someone to that could Heal on top of it—that knit up my heart so much that day. To express it in words…. “the best hug ever!” is what my little self called it, and those are probably the best words I still have at ~28 (or however old I am now).


As I grew up more, I had more moments and wavering and certainty in faith, and in God. I knew God was the person whom Understood everything I was going though: my wishes, my desires, my pains. I devote myself to Him every day: He is my Lord, my Savior, the only begotten Son of God.
I have believed in and loved Jesus as far back as my memory goes. I know Jesus I don’t know JS and consider him a liar. I didn’t have a hard time at age 6 nor do I state I have the Spirit based off emotions but but by His Spirit testifying to my Spirit I belong to Jesus. a Spirit I received by faith as is written a righteousness credited from first to last by faith.
 
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I follow the truth layed down in the NT. You are blind and gullible. I know Jesus and he knows me. He has never mentioned JS and if that were important he would have told me. Don’t be surprised if you continue along your current path that Jesus tells you, I don’t know you.
How do you know this? Have asked God if it was important. God is not going to inspire a empty bucket. We have to read ponder and pray. We make the effort. In order for us to know Gods will we have to seek knock and ask.
 
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How do you know this? Have asked God if it was important. God is not going to inspire a empty bucket. We have to read ponder and pray. We make the effort. In order for us to know Gods will we have to seek knock and ask.
Because it’s the fathers will to raise up on the last day all that God has given Him. Likewise have you asked the lord about JS? The foundation that was laid down apart from the ot is written in the NT. What needed to be restored ?
 
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Yet you are blind. By not allowing the truths that have been restored to enter into your heart. It is a wondrous thing that you have such great faith in Christ. But do you believe at this stage in your life that you have experienced all truth? Can you say that your mortal self have gained all knowledge of Christ there is to know? Because of this knowledge you claim to have been given make you tolerant and charitable to others beliefs even though you disagree? In answer to your your prayers has God given you a divine experience that you can not deny for fear of being in the judgement of God? I can honestly tell you that Jospeh Smith was no more a liar than Moses or Abraham or Peter or Paul. I know this because I have asked the author of all truth. Our Heavenly Father knows all truth and through the power of the Holy Ghost can reveal this truth to us. You have to ask. A belief in Christ is the beginning of our path to Christ not the end.

Which of your gods did you ask? Did you pray to Jesus?
 
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I am glad to hear that you too have a relationship with Christ and feel the witness of the Spirit. Such is a marvelous blessing :)
And it’s because I believed in Jesus not JS? The work of God is to believe in the ONE He sent. Jesus
 
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And it’s because I believed in Jesus not JS? The work of God is to believe in the ONE He sent. Jesus
I am simply celebrating your relationship with Christ-- I know such a relationship with Him has brought such joy in my life, and rejoice that you likewise have found Him. It is great thing to hear.
 
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To the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ. Just as my Lord and Savior instructs :)
While it is what Jesus stated he also stated we could ask Him anything. For those who have a personal relationship with the Son do. Paul asked and received from the Son. Jesus answers my prayers either way. Whether I direct my thoughts to the Father or Son. You asked Jesus whether JS was His prophet? And what reply did you receive?
 
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While it is what Jesus stated he also stated we could ask Him anything. For those who have a personal relationship with the Son do. Paul asked and received from the Son. Jesus answers my prayers either way. Whether I direct my thoughts to the Father or Son.
That is true. I just prefer to do as Christ's instructed in Matthew 6:9-13.
You asked Jesus whether JS was His prophet?
Yep :)
And what reply did you receive?
He was a servant of Christ. I know you're going to disagree with me on that, and I respect you opinion (as it is yours and I respect you). Still, I go as the Spirit instructs me (personally/through scripture/ etc).
 
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does your righteous come from believing in Jesus or JS?
This is like asking "does your righteous come from believing in Jesus or John?" or "does your righteous come from believing in Jesus or Paul?"

Christ is Christ. He is the Savior, the Son of God, the only way to the Father. No one else is Him.
 
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This is like asking "does your righteous come from believing in Jesus or John?" or "does your righteous come from believing in Jesus or Paul?"

Christ is Christ. He is the Savior, the Son of God, the only way to the Father. No one else is Him.
No it’s not . John promoted Jesus not himself. What needed to be restored in the church? Why do you put importance in following JS?
 
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Randy777, does your righteous come from believing in Jesus or Paul?
What is the importance in following Paul?
I never had anyone try to get me to belong to Paul’s restored church. Answer my question what needed to be restored and is your righteousness credited from faith in Jesus or JS ?
 
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Because it’s the fathers will to raise up on the last day all that God has given Him. Likewise have you asked the lord about JS? The foundation that was laid down apart from the ot is written in the NT. What needed to be restored ?
I have asked Godwhether or not Jospeh Smith was a prophet. I have asked whether or not the Book of Mormon is his word. He has given me an answer that I can not reject or deny. I asked. I got a answer. You have not asked because you are steeped in your own thoughts and beliefs that it is not true and don’t see the need to upset the apple cart. Think about what you would have to change in your life if God came to you one night and told you that he had restored his church. Would you believe him or would you chalk it up to Satan? A person has to be open minded when searching for truth. Truth can come from the mostly unlikely places. You are so convinced just as the Jews were at the time of Christ that they had all the truth needed. Well they were wrong as well.
 
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