Genesis 6:1-4 and Jude 6&7 what do these passages mean? Why should we care?

seventysevens said:

Why don't you go back through the thread and ACTUALLY read it !!!!!
Now you just rambling like you are talking to a mirror
I have told you SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY that I have posted MANY scriptures VERBATIM DIRECTLY FROM ENOCH - even an ENTIRE CHAPTER
Why not actually pay attention to what you read instead of just skimming over it and not reading it
I gave you 11 different scriptures DIRECTLY FROM ENOCH and compared them DIRECTLY to BIBLE verses and they even use the SAME WORDS
Obviously you did not read it
As I have said many times ALL you have shown is your OPINION , as many times as you have called Enoch Occultic you HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT TO BE TRUE , all you do is give your opinion , when I ask you to prove what you say to be true you respond by saying that you don't have to - well no one needs to believe you either , and you lose credibility at the same time , I would think that by now after asking you several times to prove what you claim that you would have done it by now - so it us obvious that you know you simply cannot prove what you claim

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You said...........
"you have called Enoch Occultic you HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT TO BE TRUE , all you do is give your opinion"

Honestly my friend.... have you read what I posted at all??? This is about the 4th or 5th time you have made this very same comment.

Why haven't the words of the book itself not convicted you???

Do you know the meaning of "Hersey".?

Do you know the meaning of "Blasphemy?

Do you know the meaning of "Occultic"?

I have NOT GIVEN you one single opinion. I have only given you the exact words from the book itself.

Why don't YOU speak to the ACTUAL WORDS found in Enoch that I have posted for you to read????

Is Raphael in the Bible?
Is Phanuel in the Bible?

Is there a Scripture in the Bible that validates these rwo angles being placed over the salvation of men?

Major1 said:

You said...........
"you have called Enoch Occultic you HAVE NOT PROVEN THAT TO BE TRUE , all you do is give your opinion"

Honestly my friend.... have you read what I posted at all??? This is about the 4th or 5th time you have made this very same comment.

Why haven't the words of the book itself not convicted you???

Do you know the meaning of "Hersey".?

Do you know the meaning of "Blasphemy?

Do you know the meaning of "Occultic"?

I have NOT GIVEN you one single opinion. I have only given you the exact words from the book itself.

Why don't YOU speak to the ACTUAL WORDS found in Enoch that I have posted for you to read????

Is Raphael in the Bible?
Is Phanuel in the Bible?

Is there a Scripture in the Bible that validates these rwo angles being placed over the salvation of men?

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Seriously , why do you say the same things over and over ????
I have shown you MANY TIMES scripture by Enoch that glorifies God
and all you can do is repeat the same thing and never ever acknowledge anything other than what you your self say , you are as bad as David PT belittling pretrib rapture simply because he does not understand it and calls people who believe in a pretrib cowards -
people who only care about what they themselves believe are not doing any good for the gospel of Jesus -

seventysevens said:

Seriously , why do you say the same things over and over ????
I have shown you MANY TIMES scripture by Enoch that glorifies God
and all you can do is repeat the same thing and never ever acknowledge anything other than what you your self say , you are as bad as David PT belittling pretrib rapture simply because he does not understand it and calls people who believe in a pretrib cowards -
people who only care about what they themselves believe are not doing any good for the gospel of Jesus -

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Many people use the Book of Jube so as to validate the Book of Enoch.

Jude 14-15 says...........
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him"

Enoch 1:9 says............
"Behold, he will arrive with ten million of the holy ones in order to execute judgment upon all. He will destroy the wicked ones and censure all flesh on account of everything that they have done, that which the sinners and the wicked ones committed against him.

Now even the most elementary of people upon reading just those 2 passages and see that they are not the same. Jude refers to "Thousands of angels but Enoch says "Millions of angels".

Jude then says that God will "Convict" the ungodly, however Enoch ways that they will be "Destroyed".

Those are MAJOR discrepancies and when the rest is read it is clear that there are other minor disagreements in the two passages.

What is my point???? Many people claim Jude quoted Enoch so when the two are actually compared it is a mistake in exegesis to conclude that Jude quoted Enoch. Therefore, the Since the book of Jude was written by Jude under the influence of God the Holy Spirit, it is clear that the book of Jude is truth. Therefore Enoch is UNBIBLICAL and the men who rejected it 2000 years ago were correct in their actions.

So to answer the question, “Why isn’t this wonderful book included in the Bible?”
The answer is that Jesus and the apostles never called it scripture. It is important to note that a few early church fathers highly valued the book of Enoch but they never referred to it as scripture. Therefore, it cannot be view as authorative since it is not the Word of God.

So then the Second question must be, "Since all the EVIDENCE show that Enoch is a false book with UNBIBLICAL material in it, WHY then do some people insist of believing it?????

The answer IMO is actually pretty easy and it reminds me of what our Lord Jesus said in Matthhew 13:27-28.................
"Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares"?
He said to them, an enemy has done this".

The point that Jesus was making is that the good seed is the Word of God and therefore the bad seed is NOT the word of God but instead is a false/counterfeit version. This principle of teaching is what should be applied to the book of Enoch which is actually and literally BAD SEED among the good seed found in the same place.

Paul said the same thing in 1 Tim. 4:1.........
"Now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils".

Major1 said:

Many people use the Book of Jube so as to validate the Book of Enoch.

Jude 14-15 says...........
"And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him"

Enoch 1:9 says............
"Behold, he will arrive with ten million of the holy ones in order to execute judgment upon all. He will destroy the wicked ones and censure all flesh on account of everything that they have done, that which the sinners and the wicked ones committed against him.

Now even the most elementary of people upon reading just those 2 passages and see that they are not the same. Jude refers to "Thousands of angels but Enoch says "Millions of angels".

Jude then says that God will "Convict" the ungodly, however Enoch ways that they will be "Destroyed".

Those are MAJOR discrepancies and when the rest is read it is clear that there are other minor disagreements in the two passages.

What is my point???? Many people claim Jude quoted Enoch so when the two are actually compared it is a mistake in exegesis to conclude that Jude quoted Enoch. Therefore, the Since the book of Jude was written by Jude under the influence of God the Holy Spirit, it is clear that the book of Jude is truth. Therefore Enoch is UNBIBLICAL and the men who rejected it 2000 years ago were correct in their actions.

So to answer the question, “Why isn’t this wonderful book included in the Bible?”
The answer is that Jesus and the apostles never called it scripture. It is important to note that a few early church fathers highly valued the book of Enoch but they never referred to it as scripture. Therefore, it cannot be view as authorative since it is not the Word of God.

So then the Second question must be, "Since all the EVIDENCE show that Enoch is a false book with UNBIBLICAL material in it, WHY then do some people insist of believing it?????

The answer IMO is actually pretty easy and it reminds me of what our Lord Jesus said in Matthhew 13:27-28.................
"Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares"?
He said to them, an enemy has done this".

The point that Jesus was making is that the good seed is the Word of God and therefore the bad seed is NOT the word of God but instead is a false/counterfeit version. This principle of teaching is what should be applied to the book of Enoch which is actually and literally BAD SEED among the good seed found in the same place.

Paul said the same thing in 1 Tim. 4:1.........
"Now the Spirit speaks expressly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils".

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I truly feel sorry for you , I would say that you are hard of hearing but since this is not vocal - you are simply unable or unwilling to read what I stated many ,many times now , you flat out refuse to accept and acknowledge that I have the ENTIRE BOOK OF ENOCH and I can post the entire book if I want to - I posted THE ENTIRE CHAPTER 2 of Enoch
and many other verses , but you continually out of total desperation are trying to convince me that you have a real understanding of the matter
About 6 times you said you are done , you don't seem to really understand what being done means because no matter how many times you say you are done you still continue on .
Do you even know what the word done means ? Obviously not

Postvieww said:

Hi Major one,

I would like to challenge your thinking and get some of your thoughts on something that is an offshoot of the current topic. Your mention several times of the fact that “ Raphael and Phanuel ‘are not in our canon, also the duties that Enoch ascribes to them led me to think on this verse.

Where I would like to steer this discussion is to a passage in Daniel that is not very often mentioned or discussed.

Daniel 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

In this dream (vision) God gave Nebuchadnezzar we find some strange language.

My questions are who or what are these “watchers”, why are they called “holy ones” and what role was assigned to them obviously by God?

My thinking is that the watchers are angels sent to do God’s bidding just as Michael and the unnamed angel in Daniel 10.

In verse 13 Michael is called “one of the chief princes” in Jude 9 he is called an archangel.

Gabriel is also named in Daniel 8:16.

In Revelation 9:11 we find a fallen angel named “Abadon” oe “Apollyon”

Satan or Lucifer aslo being a fallen angel.

My point is, we have two angels of God named in scripture and two fallen angels named in scripture.

Surely there must be many more on both side of this fence with names.



Your point on the alleged duties of the two in Enoch is a valid concern, but I believe falls far short of being occultic or blasphemous without fully understanding the duties of the angels both fallen and not that are in our scriptures.

A lot of this information we just do not have access to.

Let me offer a possibility about the two angel from Enoch. Your concern is that we do not Have scripture in our canon to support angels having anything to do with the salvation of men.

What about this passage?

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

An angel announced the savior to the sheperds.

Luke 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.



Acts 8:26 an angel of the Lord directed Philip to the eunuch which lead to his salvation.

Acts 10:7 an angel gave Cornelius information that led to his salvation.

My friend I do not believe what have I have said here will change your mind on the main theme of this thread but I do believe I have proved from our Holy Scriptures that angels can be involved in the salvation of man and for all I know their names could have been “Raphael and Phanuel” , I don’t know that and I don’t think you do either.

I also believe your charge of occultism and blasphemy based on your argument is without merit and respectfully ask you reconsider on this one point.

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My experience in doing these Christian Forums has show that there is a preponderance of most and I am not applying that to you, but a lot of people have agendas to try and prove. Many will appeal to the logic in others and try to have a conversation of sanity but in the end they have already decided what they are going to believe and the conversation winds up being a waste of time.

I hope that is not the case here, but time will soon tell. You asked....."WHO are the WATCHERS".

I must say to you that you are placing way too much authority in what I say and believe my dear friend. I am nothing but an old county boy from "Roll Tide" Alabama and I DO NOT KNOW.

I have tried over the years to grasp and understand the Bible, but if it does not tell me what it says, I simply do not know. I THINK that the Bible is saying that these WATCHERS are a created order of intelligences who are to administer the affairs of men.

IF your intent is to solicit some kind of opinion from me that goes along these lines.........
"Since they are not named, why could their names not be the ones found in the book of Enoch?"

Then NO that can not be the case. IF God wanted us to know the names of the WATCHERS He would have told us. Rather He would have told Daniel and Daniel would have written down their name BUT that did not happen. IF Daniel would have written down the names of RAPHAEL and PHANUEL and then we found those same names in Enoch.....then Bingo, YOU have a legitimate thesis.

Your comment of................

Surely there must be many more on both side of this fence with names................
confirms to Me that that is your goal.

Yes God named Gabriel in Dan. 6.
Yes God named Abadon and Apollyon (Actually they are the same demon).
Yes God named Satan.

The key to all of this is that GOD NAMED those fallen angels because He wanted to. BUT for what ever reason there is He did not do that with the two in Enoch named Raphael and Phanuel.

WHY? I can only surmise that the reason is that the Book of Enoch is a fraud and by the way, just in case you did not know this......Enoch is not now and has never been considered as the author of the book.
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Please, Let us NOT become like them introducing external heresies but STICK to 66 inspired books of the Bible and encourage everybody to read those books alone as they are everything we need for our salvation, faith and journey.

Now as for Occult and Hersey and Blasphemy, allow me to post the exact words from Enoch 40:9......
" seen and whose words I have heard and written down?’ And he said to me: ‘This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’

The Bible never mentions or suggests an angel named Phanuel, let alone an angel who is set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life.
If that is NOT blasphemy, then YOU tell all of us what it is!!!!!

Now from Enoch 48:2.............
"And at that hour that Son of Man was named In the presence of the Lord of Spirits, And his name before the Head of Days."

Was the Son of Man named? When was Jesus named in Heaven? This is an attack on the deity of Jesus.

Jesus Himself claimed in Revelation 1:8........
"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Now, again, if that is NOT an Occultic statement, then YOU tell all of us what YOU think that it is.

Then there is Enoch, chapter 69:8-12...​

"And the fourth was named Penemue: he taught the children of men the bitter and the sweet, and he taught them all the secrets of their wisdom. And he instructed mankind in writing with ink and paper, and thereby many sinned from eternity to eternity and until this day. For men were not created for such a purpose, to give confirmation to their good faith with pen and ink".

What ????? Man's wisdom came from a demon named Penemue? That's crazy! Did ink and paper cause the fall of the human race?
Whoa ... You better throw away all of your fine-point pens away immediately!

I have for all these years read from the Bible that It was Adam's sin that brought sin into the world in Romans 5:12; but now thanks to this work from ENOCH we see that sin came from evil literature.

Now having read that......You want me to reconsider MY opinion of the book of Enoch????

My dear friend, all of mankind is inherently evil of himself, prone to the works of the flesh as seen in Galatians 5:19-21. Men and women sin because they are sinners and again that is exactly what Romans 3:10,23 say.

Reconsider???

OK I will. The book of Enoch is not only Occultic and Heretical and Blasphemy, it also Demonic!

About right now YOU need to remember that YOU ASKED ME.
Having said that, I do not mean any disrespect to you but in all honesty, I have to question anyone's Christian understanding who reads the book of Enoch and does not come away with the opinion that it is nothing but a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

You asked me to reconsider my opinion and that is my opinion. If you do not like what I said, you should not have asked me as everyone else who has been reading this stuff know what I am going to say.

The BIBLE is right and everyone else is wrong. Change your thinking to what the Bible actually says.

Have a good day.
No disrepect

seventysevens said:

I truly feel sorry for you , I would say that you are hard of hearing but since this is not vocal - you are simply unable or unwilling to read what I stated many ,many times now , you flat out refuse to accept and acknowledge that I have the ENTIRE BOOK OF ENOCH and I can post the entire book if I want to - I posted THE ENTIRE CHAPTER 2 of Enoch
and many other verses , but you continually out of total desperation are trying to convince me that you have a real understanding of the matter
About 6 times you said you are done , you don't seem to really understand what being done means because no matter how many times you say you are done you still continue on .
Do you even know what the word done means ? Obviously not

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Thank you so very much for your sympathy!!!!

I told you several pages ago...I also have the Book of Enoch. I tell you now for the 7th time that there is NO knowledge in the book of Enoch. There are lies, distortions, delusions, heresy, blasphemy and demonic teaching but no knowledge.

I said I was done but you just keep posting comments to me. You see, you just can not help yourself and you will post another comment when you read this one to you.

Why don't you just take this post right here as the last word and stop posting things to me????

Major1 said:

Thank you so very much for your sympathy!!!!

I told you several pages ago...I also have the Book of Enoch. I tell you now for the 7th time that there is NO knowledge in the book of Enoch. There are lies, distortions, delusions, heresy, blasphemy and demonic teaching but no knowledge.

I said I was done but you just keep posting comments to me. You see, you just can not help yourself and you will post another comment when you read this one to you.

Why don't you just take this post right here as the last word and stop posting things to me????

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Why did you even write this post ?
simply because of your pride , you want what you say to be held high as if that makes you right , I have told you many many times you have proved nothing more than your pride is out of control , the fact that you have said many times before that you are done posting to me - but yet you just continue on , if you were truly serious about being done you would not have written this post , I asked you previous post why won't you stop posting , but yet here you are posting to me - are you looking to have the last word ?
Is that what is really so important ? Stop posting and live up to what you said already

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I did not ask you to change your opinion on the book of Enoch.

I said:

“I also believe your charge of occultism and blasphemy based on your argument is without merit and respectfully ask you reconsider on this one point.”

That one point was that angels in scripture do have a role to play in the salvation of men and that is the one point you did not address.

That is the one point I have read you post several times claiming it was blasphemy to think an angel could be assigned duties over the salvation of men.

I made my case from the scriptures we both believe, that they could, and you ignored that “one point” .

Sorry I wasted your time.

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You posted a lot of stuff. I missed the THIS ONE POINT. I am sorry I did not address it for you.

You actually said..........
"I also believe your charge of occultism and blasphemy based on your argument is without merit and respectfully ask you reconsider on this one point.

Allow me to say now........that it seemed to me you were asking a little more then than you are now.

Now lets look at what is found in Enoch 40:9 ...................
"and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.’

Now, have angles been involved in the salvation of men? YES. As you said, the angels announced the birth of Jesus.
An angel is as you said seen in Rev. 14:6.

However, where is there a Scripture which says that an angel "IS set over the repentance of those who inherit eternal life"?

There is NONE!

But how does them being NOT named make the two in Enoch acceptable because they are named by HIM. The point is that neither of them are found in the Bible.

IMO, again, if it important for us to know then we would know. But again, the lack of a name does not indicted that there are others who are named. The Bible is full of "angles" but the name is not important unless God thinks so.

If we follow that path then we are trying to make the Scriptures say what we want them to say instead of just accepting them as they are written.

You are forcing your theology into what is not there.
"Could there be two angels named Raphael and Phanuel.’
"Maybe there are .......
"There should be.........

All of that is conjecture. IF that is what you want to believe......wonderful for you. Believe it!
I am not going to argue out of what you have already set your mind to. We both know that.

Enoch chapter 40

1 And after that I saw thousands of thousands and ten thousand times ten thousand, I saw a multitude (2) beyond number and reckoning, who stood before the Lord of Spirits. And on the four sides of the Lord of Spirits I saw four presences, different from those that sleep not, and I learnt their names: for the angel that went with me made known to me their names, and showed me all the hidden things. (3) And I heard the voices of those four presences as they uttered praises before the Lord of glory. (4,5) The first voice blesses the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever. And the second voice I heard blessing (6) the Elect One and the elect ones who hang upon the Lord of Spirits. And the third voice I heard pray and intercede for those who dwell on the earth and supplicate in the name of the Lord of Spirits. (7) And I heard the fourth voice fending off the Satans and forbidding them to come before the Lord (8) of Spirits to accuse them who dwell on the earth.

After that I asked the angel of peace who went with me, who showed me everything that is hidden: 'Who are these four presences which I have (9) seen and whose words I have heard and written down?' And he said to me: 'This first is Michael, the merciful and long-suffering: and the second, who is set over all the diseases and all the wounds of the children of men, is Raphael: and the third, who is set over all the powers, is Gabriel: and the fourth, who is set over the repentance unto hope of those who inherit eternal life, is named Phanuel.' (10) And these are the four angels of the Lord of Spirits and the four voices I heard in those days.
Phanuel (angel) - Wikipedia

10 And He will summon all the host of the heavens, and all the holy ones above, and the host of God, the Cherubic, Seraphin and Ophannin, and all the angels of power, and all the angels of principalities, and the Elect One, and the other powers on the earth (and) over the water On that day shall raise one voice, and bless and glorify and exalt in the spirit of faith, and in the spirit of wisdom, and in the spirit of patience, and in the spirit of mercy, and in the spirit of judgement and of peace, and in the spirit of goodness, and shall all say with one voice: " Blessed is He, and may the name of the Lord of Spirits be blessed for ever and ever."

12 All who sleep not above in heaven shall bless Him:

All the holy ones who are in heaven shall bless Him,

And all the elect who dwell in the garden of life:


And every spirit of light who is able to bless, and glorify, and extol, and hallow Thy blessed name,

And all flesh shall beyond measure glorify and bless Thy name for ever and ever.


13 For great is the mercy of the Lord of Spirits, and He is long-suffering,

And all His works and all that He has created He has revealed to the righteous and elect

In the name of the Lord of Spirits.

1 And thus the Lord commanded the kings and the mighty and the exalted, and those who dwell on the earth, and said:


' Open your eyes and lift up your horns if ye are able to recognize the Elect One.'

2 And the Lord of Spirits seated him on the throne of His glory,

And the spirit of righteousness was poured out upon him,

And the word of his mouth slays all the sinners,

And all the unrighteous are destroyed from before his face.

3 And there shall stand up in that day all the kings and the mighty,

And the exalted and those who hold the earth,

And they shall see and recognize How he sits on the throne of his glory,

And righteousness is judged before him,

And no lying word is spoken before him.


4 Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail,

[And she has pain in bringing forth]

When her child enters the mouth of the womb,

And she has pain in bringing forth.


5 And one portion of them shall look on the other,

And they shall be terrified,

And they shall be downcast of countenance,

And pain shall seize them,

When they see that Son of Man Sitting on the throne of his glory.
6 And the kings and the mighty and all who possess the earth shall bless and glorify and extol him who rules over all, who was hidden.


7 For from the beginning the Son of Man was hidden,

And the Most High preserved him in the presence of His might,

And revealed him to the elect.


8 And the congregation of the elect and holy shall be sown,

And all the elect shall stand before him on that day.


9 And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth

Shall fall down before him on their faces,

And worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man,

And petition him and supplicate for mercy at his hands.


10 Nevertheless that Lord of Spirits will so press them

That they shall hastily go forth from His presence,

And their faces shall be filled with shame,

And the darkness grow deeper on their faces.


11 And He will deliver them to the angels for punishment,

To execute vengeance on them because they have oppressed His children and His elect

12 And they shall be a spectacle for the righteous and for His elect:

They shall rejoice over them,

Because the wrath of the Lord of Spirits resteth upon them,

And His sword is drunk with their blood.


13 And the righteous and elect shall be saved on that day,

And they shall never thenceforward see the face of the sinners and unrighteous.


14 And the Lord of Spirits will abide over them,

And with that Son of Man shall they eat

And lie down and rise up for ever and ever.


15 And the righteous and elect shall have risen from the earth,

And ceased to be of downcast countenance.

And they shall have been clothed with garments of glory,


16 And these shall be the garments of life from the Lord of Spirits:


And your garments shall not grow old,

Nor your glory pass away before the Lord of Spirits.

Chapter 49
l For wisdom is poured out like water,

And glory faileth not before him for evermore.


2 For he is mighty in all the secrets of righteousness,

And unrighteousness shall disappear as a shadow,

And have no continuance;

Because the Elect One standeth before the Lord of Spirits,

And his glory is for ever and ever,

And his might unto all generations.


3 And in him dwells the spirit of wisdom,

And the spirit which gives insight,

And the spirit of understanding and of might,

And the spirit of those who have fallen asleep in righteousness.


4 And he shall judge the secret things,

And none shall be able to utter a lying word before him;

For he is the Elect One before the Lord of Spirits according to His good pleasure.


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1 And in those days a change shall take place for the holy and elect,

And the light of days shall abide upon them,

And glory and honour shall turn to the holy,

2 On the day of affliction on which evil shall have been treasured up against the sinners.


And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:

And He will cause the others to witness (this)

That they may repent

And forgo the works of their hands.


3 They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,

Yet through His name shall they be saved,

And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,

For His compassion is great.


4 And He is righteous also in His judgement,

And in the presence of His glory unrighteousness also shall not maintain itself:

At His judgement the unrepentant shall perish before Him.

5 And from henceforth I will have no mercy on them, saith the Lord of Spirits.

Chapter 71
1 And it came to pass after this that my spirit was translated

And it ascended into the heavens:

And I saw the holy sons of God.

They were stepping on flames of fire:

Their garments were white [and their raiment],

And their faces shone like snow.


2 And I saw two streams of fire,

And the light of that fire shone like hyacinth,

And I fell on my face before the Lord of Spirits.


3 And the angel Michael [one of the archangels] seized me by my right hand,

And lifted me up and led me forth into all the secrets,

And he showed me all the secrets of righteousness.


4 And he showed me all the secrets of the ends of the heaven,

And all the chambers of all the stars, and all the luminaries,

Whence they proceed before the face of the holy ones.


5 And he translated my spirit into the heaven of heavens,

And I saw there as it were a structure built of crystals,

And between those crystals tongues of living fire.


6 And my spirit saw the girdle which girt that house of fire,

And on its four sides were streams full of living fire,

And they girt that house.


7 And round about were Seraphin, Cherubic, and Ophannin:

And these are they who sleep not

And guard the throne of His glory.


8 And I saw angels who could not be counted,

A thousand thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand,

Encircling that house.


And Michael, and Raphael, and Gabriel, and Phanuel,

And the holy angels who are above the heavens,

Go in and out of that house.


9 And they came forth from that house,

And Michael and Gabriel, Raphael and Phanuel,

And many holy angels without number.


10 And with them the Head of Days,

His head white and pure as wool,

And His raiment indescribable.


11 And I fell on my face,

And my whole body became relaxed,

And my spirit was transfigured;


And I cried with a loud voice, . . .

with the spirit of power,

And blessed and glorified and extolled.

14 And he (the angel) came to me and greeted me with His voice, and said unto me '

This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness,

And righteousness abides over him,

And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.'

15 And he said unto me:

' He proclaims unto thee peace in the name of the world to come;

For from hence has proceeded peace since the creation of the world,

And so shall it be unto thee for ever and for ever and ever.


16 And all shall walk in his ways since righteousness never forsaketh him:

With him will be their dwelling-places, and with him their heritage,

And they shall not be separated from him for ever and ever and ever.


And so there shall be length of days with that Son of Man,

And the righteous shall have peace and an upright way

In the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.'

15. Enoch Chapter 106 *** ERROR *** The Book of Enoch Claims Noah Had Laser Beam Like Eyes

This is a look at the entire 106th chapter of the Book of Enoch. This chapter is full of biblical error and very weird events that show the Book of Enoch is a Jewish fable that Paul warned us to stay away from (Titus 1:14). For the sake of space, we will just provide a brief summary of the context of this chapter with some quotes and followed by commentary on the chapter.

This chapter talks about the birth of Noah and gives a very strange description of the infant.

“His body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.” Enoch Chapter 106:2-3

According to the Book of Enoch, Noah was born with eyes that were like laser lights that illuminated the whole house. This is not a poetic description, because verses 4 and 6 prove it was a literal description:

“And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: ‘I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems to me he is not sprung from me but from angels…” Enoch chapter 106:4-6

According to the story from the Book of Enoch, Lamech was frightened of his son and thought that the infant Noah was not human. None of this is even hinted at in the bible. Noah was very human, and did not have laser eyes. “Noah was a righteous MAN (not an angel or super-human), blameless among the people of his time. Noah walked with God.” (Genesis 6:9 WEB)

The next passage from chapter 106 is very heretical. It describes how Lamech urged his father Methuselah to go and speak with Enoch (who had been translated into heaven) for answers about Noah.

“And now, my father, I am here to petition thee and implore thee that thou mayest go to Enoch, our father, and learn from him the truth, for his dwelling-place is amongst the angels.” Enoch Chapter 106:7

We then see that Methuselah went to the “ends of the earth” and cried out for Enoch. Enoch then said: “Behold, here am I, my son, wherefore hast thou come to me?” Methuselah gives Enoch a description of the infant Noah and his strange attributes. Enoch follows with a description of the coming flood and how Noah and his future sons will be saved from destruction.

The Truth:

First of all, Genesis 5:24 says: “Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.” Hebrews 11:5 says: “…Enoch was TAKEN AWAY, so that he wouldn’t see death, and HE WAS NOT FOUND, because God translated him…” According to scripture it would be impossible for Methuselah to go to the “ends of the earth,” and yell for Enoch and for Enoch to come back to earth to give Methuselah the answer he wanted about Noah. This story is clearly a heretical fable.

Secondly, Enoch was translated 69 years before Noah was born, but the book of Enoch often tells of discussions and interactions between Noah and Enoch (Chapters 65, 106, 107, and more). In fact, Chapter 65 tells the story of how Noah went to the “ends of the earth” and cried out to Enoch and asked Enoch what was going to happen on the earth. Enoch talked to Noah and even took Noah by the hand.

This again is unscriptural because Noah could not have consulted with Enoch since Enoch was translated decades before Noah was born. In addition, the scriptures say it was God himself that informed Noah about the flood and not Enoch. “God said to Noah, ‘An end of all flesh hath come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.” (Genesis 6:13 WEB)

This once again shows that the Book of Enoch is contrary to scripture and introduces false teachings about events that never happened.

The Book of Enoch Debunked

This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.


100% pure canon Holy Bible !!

If you look for it on the web you can find sources that refute the existence of God - some people say Jesus is a fable - some people write books that say the flood was only localized. People who have spiteful hearts always look for a way to refute things they would rather not be true even though they are
It be somewhat peculiar that so many people speak highly of Enoch with so little know about him- he found a very special spot of favor with Almighty God - but mention the book of Enoch to some and the sinful nature of mean spirit comes out as a flood -

For people who are full of folly with scornful bitter hearts and full of pride that have little knowledge and no understanding DEBUNKED -

DavidPT said:

15. Enoch Chapter 106 *** ERROR *** The Book of Enoch Claims Noah Had Laser Beam Like Eyes

This is a look at the entire 106th chapter of the Book of Enoch. This chapter is full of biblical error and very weird events that show the Book of Enoch is a Jewish fable that Paul warned us to stay away from (Titus 1:14). For the sake of space, we will just provide a brief summary of the context of this chapter with some quotes and followed by commentary on the chapter.

This chapter talks about the birth of Noah and gives a very strange description of the infant.

“His body was white as snow and red as the blooming of a rose, and the hair of his head and his long locks were white as wool and his eyes beautiful. And when he opened his eyes, he lighted up the whole house like the sun, and the whole house was very bright. And thereupon he arose in the hands of the midwife, opened his mouth, and conversed with the Lord of righteousness.” Enoch Chapter 106:2-3

According to the Book of Enoch, Noah was born with eyes that were like laser lights that illuminated the whole house. This is not a poetic description, because verses 4 and 6 prove it was a literal description:

“And his father Lamech was afraid of him and fled, and came to his father Methuselah. And he said unto him: ‘I have begotten a strange son, diverse from and unlike man, and resembling the sons of God of heaven; and his nature is different and he is not like us, and his eyes are as the rays of the sun, and his countenance is glorious. And it seems to me he is not sprung from me but from angels…” Enoch chapter 106:4-6

According to the story from the Book of Enoch, Lamech was frightened of his son and thought that the infant Noah was not human. None of this is even hinted at in the bible. Noah was very human, and did not have laser eyes. “Noah was a righteous MAN (not an angel or super-human), blameless among the people of his time. Noah walked with God.” (Genesis 6:9 WEB)

The next passage from chapter 106 is very heretical. It describes how Lamech urged his father Methuselah to go and speak with Enoch (who had been translated into heaven) for answers about Noah.

“And now, my father, I am here to petition thee and implore thee that thou mayest go to Enoch, our father, and learn from him the truth, for his dwelling-place is amongst the angels.” Enoch Chapter 106:7

We then see that Methuselah went to the “ends of the earth” and cried out for Enoch. Enoch then said: “Behold, here am I, my son, wherefore hast thou come to me?” Methuselah gives Enoch a description of the infant Noah and his strange attributes. Enoch follows with a description of the coming flood and how Noah and his future sons will be saved from destruction.

The Truth:

First of all, Genesis 5:24 says: “Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.” Hebrews 11:5 says: “…Enoch was TAKEN AWAY, so that he wouldn’t see death, and HE WAS NOT FOUND, because God translated him…” According to scripture it would be impossible for Methuselah to go to the “ends of the earth,” and yell for Enoch and for Enoch to come back to earth to give Methuselah the answer he wanted about Noah. This story is clearly a heretical fable.

Secondly, Enoch was translated 69 years before Noah was born, but the book of Enoch often tells of discussions and interactions between Noah and Enoch (Chapters 65, 106, 107, and more). In fact, Chapter 65 tells the story of how Noah went to the “ends of the earth” and cried out to Enoch and asked Enoch what was going to happen on the earth. Enoch talked to Noah and even took Noah by the hand.

This again is unscriptural because Noah could not have consulted with Enoch since Enoch was translated decades before Noah was born. In addition, the scriptures say it was God himself that informed Noah about the flood and not Enoch. “God said to Noah, ‘An end of all flesh hath come before me, for the earth is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the earth.” (Genesis 6:13 WEB)

This once again shows that the Book of Enoch is contrary to scripture and introduces false teachings about events that never happened.

The Book of Enoch Debunked

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You are absolutely correct my friend.

Nothing you can say, produce or post will make any difference to our dear friend here on Enoch.

You see, all of this nonsense is about what he has done. He has sold his soul to a false doctrine of demons based on the work of a fraudulent book which is evil and totally non-Biblical, all because he thinks it supports his belief in fallen angels having sex with humans.

This thread began as a comment on Genesis 6: where we read............... "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."
I think Pastor J. Vernon McGee interprets this Scripture exactly right...

It says, “There were giants in the earth in those days,” but it does not say they are the offspring of the sons of God and the daughters of men. It does say this about the offspring: “the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” These were not monstrosities; they were men. The record here makes it very clear that the giants were in the earth before this took place, and it simply means that these offspring were outstanding individuals.

Humanity has a tremendous capacity. Man is fearfully and wonderfully made—that is a great truth we have lost sight of. This idea that man has come up from some protoplasm out of a garbage can or seaweed is utterly preposterous. It is the belief of some scientists that evolution will be repudiated, and some folk are going to look ridiculous at that time.

Evolution is nothing in the world but a theory as far as science is concerned. Nothing has been conclusive about it. It is a philosophy like any other philosophy, and it can be accepted or rejected. When it is accepted, it certainly leads to some very crazy solutions to the problems of the world, and it has gotten my country into trouble throughout the world. Anyone would think that we are the white knight riding through the world straightening out wrongs. We are wrong on the inside ourselves! I do not know why in this country today we have an intelligentsia in our colleges, our government, our news media, and our military who think they are super, that somehow or another they have arrived. It is the delusion of the hour that men think that they are greater than they really are. Man is suffering from a fall, an awful fall. He is totally depraved today, and until that is taken into consideration, we are in trouble all the way along.

Then what do we have here in verse 4? As I see it, Genesis is a book of genealogies—it is a book of the families. The sons of God are the godly line who have come down from Adam through Seth, and the daughters of men belong to the line of Cain. What you have here now is an intermingling and intermarriage of these two lines, until finally the entire line is totally corrupted (well, not totally; there is one exception). That is the picture that is presented to us here.

SOURCE: McGee, J. Vernon, Thru the Bible with J. Vernon McGee, (Nashville: Thomas Nelson Publishers) 2000, c1981.

Major1 said:

Nothing you can say, produce or post will make any difference to our dear friend here on Enoch.

You see, all of this nonsense is about what he has done. He has sold his soul to a false doctrine of demons based on the work of a fraudulent book which is evil and totally non-Biblical, all because he thinks it supports his belief in fallen angels having sex with humans.

This thread began as a comment on Genesis 6: where we read............... "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

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He as in Enoch ? whom God was so pleased with ? Not. Who are you saying has sold his soul to false doctrine ? It certainly is NOT me !
You dare to say that you know something like this - it is because of statements like this that many people do not like Christians because they make statements against other Christians only to seek a way to say they are right and anyone who does not agree is wrong- pride that is their downfall , When people who profess they have Gods love seek to devour any that simply say that there are other writings that can be insightful it shows the total opposite of the love they proclaim they have , you will never prove what you think is true - the wisest thing you could of said would be to just say that you don't agree with the writings in the book of Enoch and then just let it go ,

seventysevens said:

He as in Enoch ? whom God was so pleased with ? Not. Who are you saying has sold his soul to false doctrine ? It certainly is NOT me !
You dare to say that you know something like this - it is because of statements like this that many people do not like Christians because they make statements against other Christians only to seek a way to say they are right and anyone who does not agree is wrong- pride that is their downfall , When people who profess they have Gods love seek to devour any that simply say that there are other writings that can be insightful it shows the total opposite of the love they proclaim they have , you will never prove what you think is true - the wisest thing you could of said would be to just say that you don't agree with the writings in the book of Enoch and then just let it go ,

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From your post #695..............
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

That is an excellent passage and I agree with it.

Major1 said:

From your post #695..............
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

That is an excellent passage and I agree with it.

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You fail to answer the question of who You proclaim has soul their soul to a false doctrine based on reading Enoch - you intentionally speak blasphemy -and yet you want us to believe you - no love found in your statements only blasphemy