Why can't I speak in tongue? Is it a sign of no reborn?

DavidMil said:

I feel like reborn spiritually but I can't speak in tongue and I don't see in me no Holy Spirit gift

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1 Corinthians 12:28-31

And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? 31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

Not everyone has the gift of tongues, but it isn't wrong to desire it. You can definitely ask God to give you that gift. I didn't start speaking in tongues until about 2 years ago, and I was born again about 7 years ago. It is not a salvation issue, and it is not the only evidence of being born again. The greatest evidence that the Holy Spirit is living inside of you is that you are starting to change your life. The Holy Spirit comes to make us like Jesus, so when you see that happening that is good evidence God is working in your life.

DavidMil said:

I feel like reborn spiritually but I can't speak in tongue and I don't see in me no Holy Spirit gift

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Welcome to the forum, David, in Jesus name, it is a great place to be.
There is a lot of advice to be had, I received a lot of help from the Pentecostal forum,
the best place is the Bible, read Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, to get a feel of those amazing days when the Holy Spirit came.

I will pray for you, that the Father will pour out his blessings upon you as you read his Word and seek to follow him, and receive the outpouring of the Holy Spirit into your life. God bless

DavidMil said:

I feel like reborn spiritually but I can't speak in tongue and I don't see in me no Holy Spirit gift

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Speaking in tongue( or another language) is not a required gift and should not be seen as a marker of whether of not the Holy Spirit dwells with you.

If you follow God and accept Jesus, then the Holy Spirit is there with you.

Mskriskris said:

Speaking in tongue( or another language) is not a required gift and should not be seen as a marker of whether of not the Holy Spirit dwells with you.

If you follow God and accept Jesus, then the Holy Spirit is there with you.

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true, but there is something more, a wonderful filling and overflowing...the joy is beyond words...bless you in Jesus name

DavidMil said:

I feel like reborn spiritually but I can't speak in tongue and I don't see in me no Holy Spirit gift

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Tongues were real languages people spoke not babbles.

DavidMil said:

I feel like reborn spiritually but I can't speak in tongue and I don't see in me no Holy Spirit gift

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If the Holy Spirit testifies to your spirit that you are a child of God--so that you feel reborn (not because someone tells you that you are, but because you truly feel it yourself), and your priorities have dramatically changed, so that God is way above all other concerns in your life, then I would argue you are reborn. If you are reborn, I believe you will eventually pray in tongues--if only in private with God. When God woke me up, I didn't pray in tongues for some time. The block was on my side, because of lies taught by churches I was willing to attend, because of other lies I had believed. Eventually, while still attending those churches, I still started speaking in tongues in private. In my life, God used that tongue to do miracles in Jesus' Name. I don't have the answer as to why speaking in tongues was important in those situations; but, when I was obedient to use what God gave me, things happened that weren't happening with my normal prayers.

Superhero Sam said:

Tongues were real languages people spoke not babbles. While I don't know Japanese fluently, for example think of words like Tokyo and samurai that it is a language and not babbles.

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Tongues was not a known language and required a spirit led interpreter for translation.

DavidMil said:

Thank you for you answer. Actually I thought speaking in tongue means to speak in a nonsense way that only Holy Spirit can understand

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I disagree with the person who said tongues is a human-known language. Paul references two different types of tongues: tongues (languages of men) and tongues (languages of angels) in 1 Cor 13:1. Which language do angels speak? It might just sound like nonsense to us, as we are told that "the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom." And, maybe what we think is gibberish is what we would sound like if our languages weren't confounded (Gen 11) or maybe going further back, what we think is gibberish is what we would be speaking if we were still in the garden of eden when God came to visit?

I’m just curious as to what possible reason there would be to speak other than to communicate intelligently in some form of language the message of Christ? What scriptural evidence is there that says anyone heard only babbling and gibberish? It seems to be language that all present can understand: “And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?” (Acts 2:8).

musicalpilgrim said:

true, but there is something more, a wonderful filling and overflowing...the joy is beyond words...bless you in Jesus name

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Yes, the joy beyond description thing...that's come through the understanding of God and His Word and seeing your life as a testament of it, not whether or not you feel something.

inquiring mind said:

I’m just curious as to what possible reason there would be to speak other than to communicate intelligently in some form of language the message of Christ? What scriptural evidence is there that says anyone heard only babbling and gibberish? It seems to be language that all present can understand: “And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?” (Acts 2:8).

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I think if we were to compile of list of questions which we would like to ask God, this is certainly one; but not the only one. God seems to love to "confound the wise".

If I can, by study, learn a language, how is it a supernatural gift?

Yet, in Acts 2, the 120 believers "began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" and the people outside didn't hear the noise of many speaking simultaneously, they heard what came out of the room as if they were being spoken to in their own individual language. That's pretty cool, but it defies logic, if you ever heard a large group of people all speaking at the same time. it sounds like a roar, not a message clearly spoken. Yet that is exactly what the outsiders heard. And, "they were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language"--and every nation under heaven was represented, according to Scripture. (Acts 2:5-6)

Paul's discussion in 1 Cor 14 talks about "He that speaks in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries." (verse 2)--why would Paul say that if it was a known language? Paul spends much of that chapter talking about how speaking in an unknown tongue is not edifying to others, like prophesy is, unless there is an interpreter. He also says: "I thank my God that I speak with tongues more than you all: yet, in church, I had rather speak five words with my understanding....than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue." (1 Cor 14:18-19). "If therefore the whole church be come together into one place and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say you are mad?" (1 Cor 14:23) If you were speaking in known languages why would anyone think you were mad? They wouldn't simply think you were speaking in a language they didn't know.

Why would Paul talk of speaking with the "tongues of men and of angels" in 1 Cor 13:1, if tongues was confined to known languages?

David you said:

I feel like reborn spiritually but I can't speak in tongue and I don't see in me no Holy Spirit gift

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The Holy Spirit "makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered," our Apostle Paul says in Romans 8:26. I understand that a known language and other tongues can be uttered. So, the Holy Spirit prays deeper than any words, I can see. We need to get deeper than our words, too, in how we share and communicate in God's love.

And so I see we are not going to be measured by if and how we can talk!! Even if we can speak in a language which we do not know, by the Holy Spirit, this is not as important as being with God in love with prayer communication deeper than words >

"praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God" (in Jude 20-21)

God's love is not talk. And we need His love's "senses" (Hebrews 5:14). Senses can tell us things which words can not tell.

DavidMil said:

I thought speaking in tongue means to speak in a nonsense way that only Holy Spirit can understand

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Well, in Acts chapter two we see, I understand, how the Holy Spirit had the apostles speaking languages which they themselves did not know, but Jews from other countries could identify them. Also, the Holy Spirit can have believers in gatherings hear one person speak a language they and the speaker don't know, and then the Holy Spirit can have someone give an inspired interpretation. And this is encouraging, to have the Holy Spirit doing things in our midst; but the Holy Spirit does plenty of other things.

Each real gift is humble.

And to me 1 Peter 4:9-10 means how every real gift of God ministers God's own grace to bless our lives while also effecting our nature to make us more like Jesus. And this grace of any gift is working deeper than any words or outward miraculous actions of the gifts.

DavidMil said:

Thank you for you answer. Actually I thought speaking in tongue means to speak in a nonsense way that only Holy Spirit can understand

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It almost sounds as if you "get it", and maybe the OP was somewhat sarcastic?

IMO, they only say the nonsense can be understood by Angels to make one think that nonsense is not nonsense.

That works because no on can prove it can't be understood by angels, but hey can prove it's nonsense if the claim is just that it's another language, because an interpreter will likely say, it's nonsense.

One thing I've always noticed, all these people claiming to be of the Spirit/speaking in tongues...somehow it never seems like they have those other gifts like raising the dead, and healing for instance...you know, the things that CAN be proven.

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

I think if we were to compile of list of questions which we would like to ask God, this is certainly one; but not the only one. God seems to love to "confound the wise".

If I can, by study, learn a language, how is it a supernatural gift?

Yet, in Acts 2, the 120 believers "began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance" and the people outside didn't hear the noise of many speaking simultaneously, they heard what came out of the room as if they were being spoken to in their own individual language. That's pretty cool, but it defies logic, if you ever heard a large group of people all speaking at the same time. it sounds like a roar, not a message clearly spoken. Yet that is exactly what the outsiders heard. And, "they were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language"--and every nation under heaven was represented, according to Scripture. (Acts 2:5-6)

Paul's discussion in 1 Cor 14 talks about "He that speaks in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries." (verse 2)--why would Paul say that if it was a known language? Paul spends much of that chapter talking about how speaking in an unknown tongue is not edifying to others, like prophesy is, unless there is an interpreter. He also says: "I thank my God that I speak with tongues more than you all: yet, in church, I had rather speak five words with my understanding....than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue." (1 Cor 14:18-19). "If therefore the whole church be come together into one place and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say you are mad?" (1 Cor 14:23) If you were speaking in known languages why would anyone think you were mad? They wouldn't simply think you were speaking in a language they didn't know.

Why would Paul talk of speaking with the "tongues of men and of angels" in 1 Cor 13:1, if tongues was confined to known languages?

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Because the gift is not as glamorous as your making it out to be.

Unknown language doesn't equate to anything supernatural, it just meant unknown to those present. And even when an angel spoke, it did not at any time require any interpreter present to understand them nor someone to speak in some sort of angel dialect to communicate. They just talked straight.There is no doubt that there are instances in the Bible where a person was able to talk in a language unknown to them, but there is an order to that, and it served as a sign for the unbelievers, not a confirmation for a believer. If everyone was to just speak in their own language, or do all sorts of babble, without any commonality and a person was to come in, it would be chaotic.

God understands me when I pray, and I understand Him when He speaks through His Word. There's no language that's needed to be learned for that.

So then why is it a desire to look for such supernatural phenomenon in order to carry out God's will, or to somehow confirm something is happening? That is the point of Paul's letter. He rather be able to communicate, than to be able to talk many languages and not be able to give the gospel.

Anyways, the babbles are either fake or demonic. I'm surprise Christians don't even touch on that much.

Mskriskris said:

Because the gift is not as glamorous as your making it out to be.

Unknown language doesn't equate to anything supernatural, it just meant unknown to those present. And even when an angel spoke, it did not at any time require any interpreter present to understand them nor someone to speak in some sort of angel dialect to communicate. They just talked straight.There is no doubt that there are instances in the Bible where a person was able to talk in a language unknown to them, but there is an order to that, and it served as a sign for the unbelievers, not a confirmation for a believer. If everyone was to just speak in their own language, or do all sorts of babble, without any commonality and a person was to come in, it would be chaotic.

God understands me when I pray, and I understand Him when He speaks through His Word. There's no language that's needed to be learned for that.

So then why is it a desire to look for such supernatural phenomenon in order to carry out God's will, or to somehow confirm something is happening? That is the point of Paul's letter. He rather be able to communicate, than to be able to talk many languages and not be able to give the gospel.

Anyways, the babbles are either fake or demonic. I'm surprise Christians don't even touch on that much.

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I know for a fact that you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG on this issue. Maybe that explains why you are wrong on others, because you are limited to human wisdom--which is foolishness to God.

Kenny'sID said:

It almost sounds as if you "get it", and maybe the OP was somewhat sarcastic?

IMO, they only say the nonsense can be understood by Angels to make one think that nonsense is not nonsense.

That works because no on can prove it can't be understood by angels, but hey can prove it's nonsense if the claim is just that it's another language, because an interpreter will likely say, it's nonsense.

One thing I've always noticed, all these people claiming to be of the Spirit/speaking in tongues...somehow it never seems like they have those other gifts like raising the dead, and healing for instance...you know, the things that CAN be proven.

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yes, it's like being born again. Makes no sense to you, I'm sure. But, Jesus said it and I believe it and He did it to me. So, when Paul talks about humans speaking in tongues of angels, I believe that, too. Supernatural healing makes no sense either; but Scripture says it exists as a gift from God. Supernaturally knowing information about other people that there is no way you would know, doesn't make sense, but it exists. Again, the foolishness of God confounds the wise....(1 Cor 1:25, 27). And, why on earth would an almighty God allow His Son--who could have called legions of angels to rescue Him--to hang on a cross and die? What on earth was He thinking? That certainly makes no sense, right?????

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

yes, it's like being born again. Makes no sense to you, I'm sure. But, Jesus said it and I believe it and He did it to me. So, when Paul talks about humans speaking in tongues of angels, I believe that, too. Supernatural healing makes no sense either; but Scripture says it exists as a gift from God. Supernaturally knowing information about other people that there is no way you would know, doesn't make sense, but it exists. Again, the foolishness of God confounds the wise....(1 Cor 1:25, 27). And, why on earth would an almighty God allow His Son--who could have called legions of angels to rescue Him--to hang on a cross and die? What on earth was He thinking? That certainly makes no sense, right?????

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Johnny4ChristJesus said:

Again, the foolishness of God confounds the wise....(1 Cor 1:25, 27).

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And the foolishness of man does not.

Funny, you skipped the part of my post about the provable gifts? Anyone can speak gibberish and claim it's tongues. Jesus allowed verification of his healing and raising of the dead, as he did them right there where people knew they were sick/ailing or dead. Where are those gifts among those who claim to speak in tongues? Show me just one who has verified hearings/raising of the dead?

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

I know for a fact that you are ABSOLUTELY WRONG on this issue. Maybe that explains why you are wrong on others, because you are limited to human wisdom--which is foolishness to God.

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And because you quoting scriptures, yours is somehow Godly?

My guess is that you've experienced some form of tongues. And I'm pretty sure if you did, you haven't asked God for clarification.

Probably what I've said felt like blasphemy for you. Understandable.

I encourage you though to test out what I said first, like I have, someone who grew up and attends a Pentecostal church, hold it up against scriptures with context, discern it, and then we can discuss further.

Unless you also believe that the gift of discernment is also something glamorous and sent down from the heavens. Then I pray that you've received it.