LDS Joseph Smith Started a False Religion

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Well, opinions vary. ;)

I have relatives from the 70's that are strong mormons. When they opened the temple in Bellevue, WA to the world right after it was finished, I toured it with them and got me a book of Mormon. I almost became a Mormon. I didn't. A few years later I became a Christian, though. I then studied mormon history for a couple of decades before I thought It was time to use what I learned and move on to other pursuits, depending on the knowledge I had picked up whenever the need arose.

The evidence is more than overwhelming regarding the history of the church and its founders and early presidents. It is irrefutable. In fact, it gets downright comical. That is why South Park had such a field day with it, and it was so successful it was turned into a play.

A fish does not know that it is wet.

I'm really glad you did not choose Mormonism.

Sometimes I think the fish senses it is wet, but they make it difficult to get out in many cases. It's sad IMO.
 
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LDS are Christians, despite what some people will tell you.
More misleading statements. The foundation of the lds church is built on lds not being Christians. Hence the term "Latter Day Saints" (and the various grammatical versions of the term). The claims of a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", as well as numerous statements by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other early lds leaders, disagree with your blanket statement.

Should we ignore the lds recorded history and just believe you instead??
 
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More misleading statements. The foundation of the lds church is built on lds not being Christians. Hence the term "Latter Day Saints" (and the various grammatical versions of the term). The claims of a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", as well as numerous statements by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other early lds leaders, disagree with your blanket statement.

Should we ignore the lds recorded history and just believe you instead??
Prove you are a Christian. Tell me why you are more correct than I am.
 
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I don't know. I hope so, yet I trust God to bring the sheep to Christ.

BTW, Joseph Smith also said:

20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother, “I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.” ...
Joseph Smith—History 1

You’re doing valuable work here exposing these distortions of the word, God bless you
 
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Is there any evidence that Smith did not meet an angel?

What evidence could there be of something not happening? The evidence of false prophecy in his own works, regardless of the source, is evidence that it isn’t from God
 
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I’m glad that all of you have studied the critics of the church to find out the truth about Mormonism. I always find it humorous that so many experts claim superior knowledge of Mormonism than those who read study and pray about the restored gospel. It is no different than conservatives differences than liberIals. You can claim the Joseph Smith made the whole thing up but he was murdered because of those beliefs. He gave himself up willingly into the shame and he knew it. He did not have to give himself and he could have moved out west where he forethought led the saints would go. Out of the restoration through which God worked through Joseph Smith we have the Book of Mormon, doctrine and covenants and pearl of great price. You can scoff and be critical but you do not know that you are any more correct than we are. You don’t have any original writings of the Bible and have to have faith that what is in there is from God. No proof that Jesus ever existed from the An Kent writings. You take it on faith. Give us the same privilege

I read that he was killed in a shootout over some scam he was involved in
 
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Prove you are a Christian. Tell me why you are more correct than I am.
Your church leaders tell us you are not Christians - you are a Latter-day Saint. Your leaders despised Christianity. What more authoritative source do you want? And now you want back in the club??
 
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You’re doing valuable work here exposing these distortions of the word, God bless you
That's not what's being done on this forum. Rather, 9/10 posts about the LDS faith on CF (from any poster) are false statements. It causes me great sadness to hear these from my brothers/sisters in Christ.
 
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That's not what's being done on this forum. Rather, 9/10 posts about the LDS faith on CF (from any poster) are false statements. It causes me great sadness to hear these from my brothers/sisters in Christ.

Any religious group claiming to follow Christ but denying his full divinity, portraying him as something more than man but less than God, is illegitimate and should be exposed as such.
 
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More misleading statements. The foundation of the lds church is built on lds not being Christians. Hence the term "Latter Day Saints" (and the various grammatical versions of the term). The claims of a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", as well as numerous statements by Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and other early lds leaders, disagree with your blanket statement.

Should we ignore the lds recorded history and just believe you instead??
By this logic, "Baptist" are not Christians, or "Catholics" or "Protestants". There are disagreements about theological issues in Christendom (down to what is needed to be save, which books are in the Bible, etc), but that's not a reason for any of us each other's real relationship with Christ.
 
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That's not what's being done on this forum. Rather, 9/10 posts about the LDS faith on CF (from any poster) are false statements. It causes me great sadness to hear these from my brothers/sisters in Christ.
Including yours. Pot, meet kettle.
 
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Any religious group claiming to follow Christ but denying his full divinity, portraying him as something more than man but less than God, is illegitimate and should be exposed as such.
That (denying his full divinity, etc) is not LDS beliefs at all.

Rather LDS believe that Jesus Christ is the one Son of God, the Only Begotten, forever one with the Father. He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world, only way to the Father.

Like I said, there's a lot of false information out there.
 
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That (denying his full divinity, etc) is not LDS beliefs at all.

Rather LDS believe that Jesus Christ is the one Son of God, the Only Begotten, forever one with the Father. He is the Savior and Redeemer of the world, only way to the Father.

Like I said, there's a lot of false information out there.

I read differently, apologies if I was misinformed on that point, I’ll look into it
 
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By this logic, "Baptist" are not Christians, or "Catholics" or "Protestants". There are disagreements about theological issues in Christendom (down to what is needed to be save, which books are in the Bible, etc), but that's not a reason for any of us each other's real relationship with Christ.
Baptists, etc. did not claim a "restored gospel", a "restored church", and a "great apostasy", nor did they denounce Christianity as a whole. So, your logic fails.

I am not to judge your relationship with Christ. He will do that and does not need my, or anyone's, help. However, you cannot explicitly state nor imply that you believe the same as Christians without the expectation to be challenged on those statements, especially those the contradict the history, teachings, and leaders' statements of the church which you claim to be a member of.
 
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Have you ever read "Mama, Mormonism and Me"? It speaks of the mormon need to shed your own blood for your salvation. Jesus' blood only did part of the job.

That being said, I have no doubt there are Christians in the mormon church, but the message of the church is not Christian.

Check out Recovery from Mormonism - the Mormon Church and the other ex-mormon sites.

I read the book and met the author a few years after I left the Mormon church.

Read:
Blood atonement - Wikipedia

However, there is a temporary hell for some.

SIN AND SUFFERING by Elder Dallin H. Oaks

...In this setting, the Savior of the world commands us to repent and keep his commandments. “Repent,” he commands, “lest … your sufferings be sore—how sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you know not.

“For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would repent;

“But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;

“Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—

“Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my preparations unto the children of men.

“Wherefore, I command you again to repent, lest I humble you with my almighty power; and that you confess your sins, lest you suffer these punishments of which I have spoken.” (D&C 19:15–20.)
Sin and Suffering - ensign
 
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Gads---and yet one more reason to walk away from them. They said that the bible is accurate only as it is interpreted correctly----so what is their interpretation of this verse?

I was reading the D&C130--
"I answer, Yes. But there are no angels who minister to this earth but those who do belong or have belonged to it."

How do they belong to this world when the angels were created before us and before this world? This world was made for us--not them and it is to us that it will return. Makes no sense. In fact--precious little of that entire "covenant" makes sense.

They say that the majority of people will be resurrected as angels.
 
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Mormon scripture consists of the KJV Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price. They are sometimes called the Standard Works.

Book of Mormon | LDS.org
The Doctrine and Covenants of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
The Pearl of Great Price

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Available as a "quadruple combination."
If anyone adds or takes away from the words of this prophecy, let them be a cursed
I take the whole bible as that prophecy because it says I am the beginning and the end.
So is that how many books they have added?
 
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I don't read about other peoples' experiences upon leaving The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It might have been interesting when I first left and wondered where all the ex-Mormons were hiding.
 
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I used to be a supporter of Saints alive, AKA "Ex mormons for Jesus, back in the 80's. I confess that I don't get into this stuff much any more. However, I do use the knowledge I gained from that study and things like your post. I mostly now just focus on the message of Jesus and if mormonism comes up I am armed to explain why, though it has the appearance of Christianity, it denies the foundation upon which it rests.
You are the one that denys the foundation upon which it rests. The foundation is not the bible. The foundation is living apostles and prophets that receive revelation from the cornerstone of the foundation which is Jesus Christ. If you are unfamiliar with this foundation then read this scripture:
Ephesians 2:19-21King James Version (KJV)
19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

You will notice that Jesus is the foundation along with living apostles and prophets. This is the foundation of the Church that Jesus set up before he ascended. What foundation does your church rest on????????????

And by the way, we do not deny the bible, we just say it is not the foundation fo the Church of the first century or ever. The bible did not come into existence until the 4th century. How could it be the foundation of the church in the first 3 centuries.

If you saying that Jesus is the foundation, you are correct, but only partially. Jesus is the one that set up the church and the foundation thereof. He is the one that set apostles and prophets in the foundation along with himself. He did that because he knew he would be in heaven and he needed help here on earth to grow his church and admnisister his church, and the ones that he chose to start with were the foundation of his church.

So the foundation is not Jesus himself or the bible, but by his own words, the church is built upon the foundation of apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone. Again, what is the foundation of your church??????
 
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