Yahshua is our Messiah's name

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The premise is that vowels have sounds, and the conclusion is the actual vowel being used.

The actual vowels being used are what were recorded and what scholars have taken lifetimes to understand. You do not have any insights that will change this. E-class vowels were in active use during Christ's time here on earth, and one of them is in his name.

There were no Rabbis – as we know them – during that vowel shift, just as there were no Rabbis – as we know them – during the Canaanite vowel shift either. That was far too early. What caused the shift was the sum total of speakers.
 
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The actual vowels being used are what were recorded and what scholars have taken lifetimes to understand. You do not have any insights that will change this. E-class vowels were in active use during Christ's time here on earth, and one of them is in his name.

There were no Rabbis – as we know them – during that vowel shift, just as there were no Rabbis – as we know them – during the Canaanite vowel shift either. That was far too early. What caused the shift was the sum total of speakers.
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Sometime beginning around 600 A.D., a group of scribes in Tiberias called the Masoretes (mesora means "tradition") began developing a system of vowel marks (called neqqudot) to indicate how the text was traditionally read. Since these scribes did not want to alter the consonantal text, they placed these markings under, ...
Introduction to Hebrew Vowels
 
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Yahshua Yeshua

Because Hebrews dropped their 'ayins', to keep from saying God's name, hence we have "y'shua." Also spelled Yeshua, for which we have in Greek, "Iēsous" and "Isus." These are corruptions of the names that begin with "Yah."
 
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Praise, Exalt, and Proclaim His Name

Exodus 34:5
Then Yahwah came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, Yahwah.

1 Chronicles 16:8
Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.

Psalm 34:3
Glorify Yahwah with me; let us exalt his name together.

Psalm 68:4
Sing to God, sing in praise of his name, extol him who rides on the clouds; rejoice before him—his name is Yahwah.

Psalm 96:2
Sing to Yahwah, praise his name; proclaim his salvation day after day.

Psalm 105:1
Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done.

Psalm 148:13
Let them praise the name of Yahwah, for his name alone is exalted; his splendor is above the earth and the heavens.

Isaiah 12:4
In that day you will say: “Give praise to Yahwah, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted.

Isaiah 47:4
Our Redeemer—Yahwah of Host is his name— is the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah 52:6
Therefore my people will know my name; therefore in that day they will know that it is I who foretold it. Yes, it is I.”


Malachi 2:2
If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says Yahwah of Host, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me.


Last Days.
Zechariah 13:9
This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘Yahwah is our God.’”


Yahwah reveals His name to Moses
Exodus 3:13-15.

13 And Moses said to Elohiym, “Suppose I go to the siblings of the Israelites and say to them, 'The Elohiym of your forefathers has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is His name?' What shall I say to them?”
14 And Elohiym said to Moses, “The Living that Lives. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'The Living has sent me to you.”
15 And Elohiym also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, 'Yahwah, the Elohiym of your forefathers; the Elohiym of Abraham, the Elohiym of Isaac and the Elohiym of Jacob has sent me to you.' That’s my name forever, the name by which I’m to be remembered, from generation to generation.”

Exodus 6:3
I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name Yahwah I did not make myself fully known to them.

Psalm 20:7
Some trust in chariots, and some in horses: but we will remember the name YHWH our God.
 
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Yahwah
A note on the words hawah and hayah.



Quote from pages 217 and 218 of the Brown-Driver-Briggs. Ref # 3068-69 on page 217.
Brown-Driver-Briggs on page 218 states that, "Many recent scholars explain יהוה‎ as Hiph. of הוה equals היה "

הוה hawah / HWH is hawah.
היה hayah / HYH is hayah.


Note that the vowels are all " a."
יהוה Yahwah


The vowels are "a" in the Brown-Driver-Briggs, the NIV Exhaustive Concordance, and the Strong's Exhaustive Concordances.
The name Yahwah is from the Aramaic, not the Hebrew.

The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901, Volume 12, page 119, states.
It thus becomes possible to determine with a fair degree of certainty the historical
pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, the results agreeing with the statement of Ex. iii.
14, in which YAHWEH terms Himself hyha. "I will be", a phrase which is immediately
proceeded by the fuller term "I will be that I will be," or, as in the English versions, "I
am" and "I am that I am." The name hwhy is accordingly derived from the root
hwh(=hyh), and is regarded as an imperfect. This passage is decisive for the
pronunciation "Yahweh"; for the etymology was undoubtedly based on the known word.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 680, further states this fact.
The true pronunciation of the name YAHWEH was never lost. Several early Greek
writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh". This is
confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first syllable of the name, by the shorter form
Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry (e.g., Ex. 15:2) and the -yahu or -yah that serves
as the final syllable in very many Hebrew names.
The Encyclopedia Britanica, Volume 23, page 867, confirms this fact.

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160

"Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823
times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YAHWEH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name
of the God of Israel".

The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 12, pages 118-119

"TETRAGRAMMATON: The quadriliteral name of God, (hwhy). The Tetragrammaton is the ancient Israelitish name for God"

The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, pages 162-163
:
...The Rabbis as well as the cabalists steadfastly maintained their belief in monotheism.
Hence they recognized only one proper name for the Deity, considering the other names
as appellations or titles signifying divinity, perfection, and power, or as characterizing
His acts as observed and appreciated by mankind...The name YAHWEH is considered as
the Name proper; it was known in the earliest rabbinical works simply as the Name; also
as Shem ha-Meyuhad ("the Extraordinary Name"; Sifre, Num. 143): as Shem haMeforash ("the Distinguished Name"; Yoma vi. 2); as Shem ben The Name. Arba'
Otiyyot ("the Tetra-grammaton" or "the Quadrilateral Name"; Kid 71a); and as Yod He
Waw He (spelling letters of YAHWEH).
 
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I am pleased to announce, that after twenty years, the name of Yahwah and Yahshua are established all over the Internet. When I first began, those names and spellings where unheard of. I did not know that there was a group called "Sacred Name Movement," or "Holy Namers;" whom used the name of God, spelled; Yahwah. Anyway, I did not see any effort on their part to establish His name, or the name Yahshua.

There are still many who are resistant to those names, who do not know what they are talking about. As with all languages, spellings and grammar rules changed. And so it is also with the ancient Hebrew. Over the many years the Rabbi's changed the Hebrew language, especially to deform God's name, and the Messiah's.

I can only hope that there are those who will help me to restore those names.
 
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The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1901, Volume 12, page 119, states.
It thus becomes possible to determine with a fair degree of certainty the historical
pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton, the results agreeing with the statement of Ex. iii.
14, in which YAHWEH terms Himself hyha. "I will be", a phrase which is immediately
proceeded by the fuller term "I will be that I will be," or, as in the English versions, "I
am" and "I am that I am." The name hwhy is accordingly derived from the root
hwh(=hyh), and is regarded as an imperfect. This passage is decisive for the
pronunciation "Yahweh"; for the etymology was undoubtedly based on the known word.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 680, further states this fact.
The true pronunciation of the name YAHWEH was never lost. Several early Greek
writers of the Christian Church testify that the name was pronounced "Yahweh". This is
confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first syllable of the name, by the shorter form
Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry (e.g., Ex. 15:2) and the -yahu or -yah that serves
as the final syllable in very many Hebrew names.
The Encyclopedia Britanica, Volume 23, page 867, confirms this fact.

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, page 160

"Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823
times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, YAHWEH (hwhy), the distinctive personal name
of the God of Israel".

The Jewish Encyclopedia Volume 12, pages 118-119

"TETRAGRAMMATON: The quadriliteral name of God, (hwhy). The Tetragrammaton is the ancient Israelitish name for God"

The Jewish Encyclopedia, Volume 9, pages 162-163
:
...The Rabbis as well as the cabalists steadfastly maintained their belief in monotheism.
Hence they recognized only one proper name for the Deity, considering the other names
as appellations or titles signifying divinity, perfection, and power, or as characterizing
His acts as observed and appreciated by mankind...The name YAHWEH is considered as
the Name proper; it was known in the earliest rabbinical works simply as the Name; also
as Shem ha-Meyuhad ("the Extraordinary Name"; Sifre, Num. 143): as Shem haMeforash ("the Distinguished Name"; Yoma vi. 2); as Shem ben The Name. Arba'
Otiyyot ("the Tetra-grammaton" or "the Quadrilateral Name"; Kid 71a); and as Yod He
Waw He (spelling letters of YAHWEH).
The e vowel is not correct and causes the name to be pronounced as Yahwey.
 
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The Hebrew spelling Y(ah)shua (ישוע) appears in some later books of the Hebrew Bible. The vowel "a" between the yod and shin is pronounced "ah." Modern Hebrew has that vowel as "e." It is an established fact that ( ישוע ) is a theophoric name. Ya is the short form for Yah. That is the reason for the English spelling Y(ah)shua, adding the two letters a and h, to pronounce as it was in Christ day.
 
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Theophoric names with "Yeho" prefixes have corresponding forms where the letters "eh"' have been omitted. There is a theory by Christian Ginsburg that this is due to Hebrew scribes omitting the "h", changing Jeho (יְהוֹ) into Jo (יוֹ), to make the start of "Yeho-" names not sound like an attempt to pronounce the Divine Name. With the Tetragrammaton, some theophoric names begin with the first two consonants, other names take only the first and the third letters from the Tetragrammaton and build them into the syllable "yo" at the beginning of a name (Yoab, Yoram, Yoyakim, Yoel, Yonathan).
 
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By not pronouncing his name correctly, this piece of scripture would go unnoticed.

Exodus 23:21
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him.
Yah / wah and Yah / Shua

John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
Yah / Shua
Yah /Wah

Yah short form

Yah (Hebrew: יהּ‎‎ Yah) is a short form of Yahwah (in consonantal spelling YHWH Hebrew: יהוה‎‎, called the Tetragrammaton), the proper name of God in the Hebrew Bible. This short form of the name occues 50 times in the text of the Hebrew Bible, of which 24 form part of the phrase "Halleluyah".
 
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Semitic Vowels and their Actualization
"Common Semitic or Proto-Semitic has three short vowels (§ 10.5): low/open back velar a, high/close front palatal i, and high/close back velar u with strongly rounded lips. It also possesses the three corresponding long vowels ā, ī, ū. Although additional vocalic phonemes have arisen in various Semitic languages, there are no sufficient grounds to suppose that other vowels belong to the original core of the Semitic phonemic system.... However, the realization of the Semitic vowels a, i, u in actual speech can produce other vocalic sounds, mainly in the case of short vowels (cf. §10.11). There is a widespread tendency in Semitic to pronounce high and low vowels, especially when they are unstressed, as mid vowels e, ә, o.... Thus short i and u tend to become ә, as in Ethiopic (§21.30), and the same can happen with a.... Besides, i can easily become e by lowering the tongue, u becomes then o. The lack of appropriate vocalic signs, especially for ә and o, does often not allow determining the presence of these vowels in an accurate way, and "e" will then stand for ә and "u" for o (§21.3). On the other side, a stressed short vowel tends to become long, and its articulation may at the same time be lowered (e.g. i > ī > ē) or raised (e.g. a > ā > ō) . Some of these new vowels may acquire a phonemic status in a determined language."
Quoted from Lipinski 1997 §21.1.
 
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Imperial Aramaic Old Aramaic Biblical Aramaic or Hebrew

The term, “Imperial Aramaic” refers to a historic variety of Aramaic, as spoken and written during the period roughly from 600 BCE to 200 CE. The Imperial Aramaic form which changed the least is now used for writing the Hebrew language. By the third century CE, variant forms of the script had diverged into distinct scripts such as Syriac, Nabataean, and Palmyran.
Europeanization of Hebrew.
Most likely the “e” vowel became part of Hebrew between 300 AD to 600AD.
Hebrew was revived by Jewish people thinking and speaking in modern European languages.

Note on Mishnaic Hebrew.
The earliest Rabbinic literature dates from the period 70-200 CE and it is written in a spoken Hebrew of the time, often called, after the most famous literary product of the time, Mishnaic Hebrew. Mishnaic Hebrew is very different from Biblical Hebrew.

Phonemes are normally conceived of as abstractions of discrete segmental speech sounds of vowels and consonants. The e sound may or may not have been produced in any ancient language. There is no facts to back it up. It is a presumption that the e sound would have been (possibly) produced in the language from the main (actual vowels) and consonants.

Quoted from Lipinski 1997 "Although additional vocalic phonemes have arisen in various Semitic languages, there are no sufficient grounds to suppose that other vowels belong to the original core of the Semitic phonemic system..."

There is no doubt that there was an e sound. The e sound in Hebrew did not become a vowel until after the second century AD. The WAH in Hebrew has an ae sound, so that could have lead to the biblical Hebrew spelling Yahw/e/h.
 
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Why don't you simply write a book about it and submit it for peer review by academic linguists, then we will know what the academic world make of your gathered views. These regular debates on the same issue are proving nothing at all, at best it just goes round in circles all the time :)
 
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Why don't you simply write a book about it and submit it for peer review by academic linguists, then we will know what the academic world make of your gathered views. These regular debates on the same issue are proving nothing at all, at best it just goes round in circles all the time :)
If I gather a bunch of Atheist around me, they will all say that God does not exist.
 
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If I gather a bunch of Atheist around me, they will all say that God does not exist.

Heber is more referring to a bunch of people who have dedicated their lives to read, write, and speak the languages in question from the appropriate eras, and who are accepted as respected, well-established experts in their field?

You know, people who actually have the knowledge and experience necessary to weight the merits of your hypothesis? :)
 
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Heber is more referring to a bunch of people who have dedicated their lives to read, write, and speak the languages in question from the appropriate eras, and who are accepted as respected, well-established experts in their field?

You know, people who actually have the knowledge and experience necessary to weight the merits of your hypothesis? :)
Different groups have different things to say. Did you know that the worst students of ancient Hebrew, are the ones who already speak Hebrew? It seems that they can not get it out of their head that the language has changed over the years. Are you a professor of ancient Hebrew?
 
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Different groups have different things to say.

The consensus on this topic is not particularly varied outside of the occasional fringe theory.

Did you know that the worst students of ancient Hebrew, are the ones who already speak Hebrew? It seems that they can not get it out of their head that the language has changed over the years. Are you a professor of ancient Hebrew?

Aramaic languages are my area of study and what I've taught. Galilean/Jewish Palestinian Aramaic is my focus.

I have research-level proficiency in Classical and Ancient Hebrew, but I do not teach it.
 
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