No one can read the bible as the original audience

Michael Collum said:

So say back in the day, someone picked up some papyrus or biblyos as the new thing and started reading it. The original generation may have said, read it regular .. but that is not written in the bible .. here's why:

After the first generation, there was another generation that saw the teachings completely differently. The first generation Christians were eyewitnesses to a crime against God, the second generation and onward needed to rely on what was written and handed down by tradition, the primary focus became about the written text because the age of the (real) apostles was over, the faith that healed the sick and turned the world upside down .. for a time ... became tamed, domesticated, and later became state religions.

But it doesn't stop there .. so later on, you have conflicts between different regions because of what the translations amount to, especially the difference between the latin and the greek on many issues.

It doesn't stop there either, from age to age, there was a different perspective, a different way of doing and seeing things. In effect, the education system of our education system of our educations systems going all the way back has made the information that was apparently so simple (according to scripture) ... not an ordinary affair to interpret properly.

On top of that, we have the greek translated to latin traditions flavouring the translations from the greek into english today, the waters are indeed muddy .. and there are a variety of manuscripts to choose from if you really want to dig that deep.

In that sense . I do not expect anyone today to interpret the bible properly or have a plain reading of the scripture . Reading regular is not a simple thing, because nothing is regular about today compared to back then.

For the action oriented believers, my general work around for this is to examine every possible conclusion, every possible translation, every possible rendition of any scripture, and apply it .. once you have applied all the possible true renditions ... regardless of how you "feel" which is better ... examine which gets better fruit, through the whole bible, through your whole life.

Since the old ways are becoming archaic again ... thought I'd post this for your consideration, pride is sin that blinds us ... and the assumption that we know something that we logically cannot know ... can be a detriment. . . and it may be why there are so many opinions among us .. perhaps in the future we can say ... I tried this interpretation, this interpretation, and that interpretation ... these are the fruit I saw from it ... and this is why I agree with this interpretation may be more edifying for all involved in debates of a religious nature.

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Michael Collum said:

After the first generation, there was another generation that saw the teachings completely differently.

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Michael Collum said:

So say back in the day, someone picked up some papyrus or biblyos as the new thing and started reading it. The original generation may have said, read it regular .. but that is not written in the bible .. here's why:

After the first generation, there was another generation that saw the teachings completely differently. The first generation Christians were eyewitnesses to a crime against God, the second generation and onward needed to rely on what was written and handed down by tradition, the primary focus became about the written text because the age of the (real) apostles was over, the faith that healed the sick and turned the world upside down .. for a time ... became tamed, domesticated, and later became state religions.

But it doesn't stop there .. so later on, you have conflicts between different regions because of what the translations amount to, especially the difference between the latin and the greek on many issues.

It doesn't stop there either, from age to age, there was a different perspective, a different way of doing and seeing things. In effect, the education system of our education system of our educations systems going all the way back has made the information that was apparently so simple (according to scripture) ... not an ordinary affair to interpret properly.

On top of that, we have the greek translated to latin traditions flavouring the translations from the greek into english today, the waters are indeed muddy .. and there are a variety of manuscripts to choose from if you really want to dig that deep.

In that sense . I do not expect anyone today to interpret the bible properly or have a plain reading of the scripture . Reading regular is not a simple thing, because nothing is regular about today compared to back then.

For the action oriented believers, my general work around for this is to examine every possible conclusion, every possible translation, every possible rendition of any scripture, and apply it .. once you have applied all the possible true renditions ... regardless of how you "feel" which is better ... examine which gets better fruit, through the whole bible, through your whole life.

Since the old ways are becoming archaic again ... thought I'd post this for your consideration, pride is sin that blinds us ... and the assumption that we know something that we logically cannot know ... can be a detriment. . . and it may be why there are so many opinions among us .. perhaps in the future we can say ... I tried this interpretation, this interpretation, and that interpretation ... these are the fruit I saw from it ... and this is why I agree with this interpretation may be more edifying for all involved in debates of a religious nature.

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Michael Collum said:

So say back in the day, someone picked up some papyrus or biblyos as the new thing and started reading it. The original generation may have said, read it regular .. but that is not written in the bible .. here's why:

After the first generation, there was another generation that saw the teachings completely differently. The first generation Christians were eyewitnesses to a crime against God, the second generation and onward needed to rely on what was written and handed down by tradition, the primary focus became about the written text because the age of the (real) apostles was over, the faith that healed the sick and turned the world upside down .. for a time ... became tamed, domesticated, and later became state religions.

But it doesn't stop there .. so later on, you have conflicts between different regions because of what the translations amount to, especially the difference between the latin and the greek on many issues.

It doesn't stop there either, from age to age, there was a different perspective, a different way of doing and seeing things. In effect, the education system of our education system of our educations systems going all the way back has made the information that was apparently so simple (according to scripture) ... not an ordinary affair to interpret properly.

On top of that, we have the greek translated to latin traditions flavouring the translations from the greek into english today, the waters are indeed muddy .. and there are a variety of manuscripts to choose from if you really want to dig that deep.

In that sense . I do not expect anyone today to interpret the bible properly or have a plain reading of the scripture . Reading regular is not a simple thing, because nothing is regular about today compared to back then.

For the action oriented believers, my general work around for this is to examine every possible conclusion, every possible translation, every possible rendition of any scripture, and apply it .. once you have applied all the possible true renditions ... regardless of how you "feel" which is better ... examine which gets better fruit, through the whole bible, through your whole life.

Since the old ways are becoming archaic again ... thought I'd post this for your consideration, pride is sin that blinds us ... and the assumption that we know something that we logically cannot know ... can be a detriment. . . and it may be why there are so many opinions among us .. perhaps in the future we can say ... I tried this interpretation, this interpretation, and that interpretation ... these are the fruit I saw from it ... and this is why I agree with this interpretation may be more edifying for all involved in debates of a religious nature.

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Michael Collum said:

That is an important point, however due to the flaming rules insinuating that people are not Christian is not something we do here. Also in light of God's grace, I was giving the benefit of the doubt, only God knows ones are his anyway.

In terms of spiritual discernment, not everyone has the same understanding because it is forged spiritually with God through the course of the believer's life. Because of the variability of discernment, I left that element out. With maturity, there will be many things we have in common because it is one of those things God makes clear to us .. however, there are things God leaves ambiguous so the word can be a light unto our feet as the Holy Spirit brings His word back to remembrance.

It is important to note that when discerning, the "remembrance verses" are for your information and guidance, but not necessarily for other people's specific guidance.

indeed, all scripture is God breathed, and useful.

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Michael Collum said:

God does not want us to have unified interpretations on every verse, He wants scripture to fulfill its purpose so the mature christian is equipped for all the work God prepared in advance for him or her to do.

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Michael Collum said:

So say back in the day, someone picked up some papyrus or biblyos as the new thing and started reading it. The original generation may have said, read it regular .. but that is not written in the bible .. here's why:

After the first generation, there was another generation that saw the teachings completely differently. The first generation Christians were eyewitnesses to a crime against God, the second generation and onward needed to rely on what was written and handed down by tradition, the primary focus became about the written text because the age of the (real) apostles was over, the faith that healed the sick and turned the world upside down .. for a time ... became tamed, domesticated, and later became state religions.

But it doesn't stop there .. so later on, you have conflicts between different regions because of what the translations amount to, especially the difference between the latin and the greek on many issues.

It doesn't stop there either, from age to age, there was a different perspective, a different way of doing and seeing things. In effect, the education system of our education system of our educations systems going all the way back has made the information that was apparently so simple (according to scripture) ... not an ordinary affair to interpret properly.

On top of that, we have the greek translated to latin traditions flavouring the translations from the greek into english today, the waters are indeed muddy .. and there are a variety of manuscripts to choose from if you really want to dig that deep.

In that sense . I do not expect anyone today to interpret the bible properly or have a plain reading of the scripture . Reading regular is not a simple thing, because nothing is regular about today compared to back then.

For the action oriented believers, my general work around for this is to examine every possible conclusion, every possible translation, every possible rendition of any scripture, and apply it .. once you have applied all the possible true renditions ... regardless of how you "feel" which is better ... examine which gets better fruit, through the whole bible, through your whole life.

Since the old ways are becoming archaic again ... thought I'd post this for your consideration, pride is sin that blinds us ... and the assumption that we know something that we logically cannot know ... can be a detriment. . . and it may be why there are so many opinions among us .. perhaps in the future we can say ... I tried this interpretation, this interpretation, and that interpretation ... these are the fruit I saw from it ... and this is why I agree with this interpretation may be more edifying for all involved in debates of a religious nature.

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