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Ok, Mr. Ultra-Literalist. Jesus was a 1st Century Jew of Judea. Is that better?
Thank you. Much better.
However, this doesn't counter my contention that in a glorified state, I doubt very much that Jesus resembles ...... "merely".... a shephardic Jew.
The resurrected glorified Lord appeared to His disciples and was either not recognized at all or recognized as His former self.

The vision Paul had of Him was not described as the image John saw in Rev 1.
I for one would very much like to see the idea of White Supremacy fall...............HARD!!!
Amen.
The same goes for any other form(s) of ethnic supremacy.
That is a different story. The NT (specifically Paul's letters) say "to the Jew FIRST." That is not chronologically "first," but an ordinal "first." IOW it is STILL "to the Jew first."
 
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Thank you. Much better.

The resurrected glorified Lord appeared to His disciples and was either not recognized at all or recognized as His former self.

The vision Paul had of Him was not described as the image John saw in Rev 1.

Really? Read the accounts regarding Paul's encounter with Christ in the book of Acts again.

Amen.

That is a different story. The NT (specifically Paul's letters) say "to the Jew FIRST." That is not chronologically "first," but an ordinal "first." IOW it is STILL "to the Jew first."
Priority does not infer superiority; nor does this verbiage of Paul's tell us that Jesus is concerned about appearing as a Jew for all time.
 
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Absolutely not.

As a side note, I really hope we are not as obsessed with White Supremacy in 2018 as we were in 2017. I'm dead sick of hearing about it.

You are sick of hearing about it, imagine the people sick and tired of dying from it.

Or, being falsely arrested for it.

Denied a loan for it.

Losing a child for it.


To get over white supremacy is to collectively go through it, back at it, and the purge it. But, it cannot be purged if people keep going around. You are BLESSED you do not feel the effects of this monstrosity daily like many in the States and around the world do.

Telling suggesting it is trivial, or doesn't exist is ridiculous self-fulfilling.
 
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Ok, Mr. Ultra-Literalist. Jesus was a 1st Century Jew of Judea. Is that better?

However, this doesn't counter my contention that in a glorified state, I doubt very much that Jesus resembles ...... "merely".... a shephardic Jew. As if God, in Christ, is overly concerned with identifying Himself with one people in the overall scheme of things. Sure, He did that at the beginning, but now His grace and identity has spread to ALL people.

And if anyone is going to work to demolish all of the racism in the world, I for one would very much like to see the idea of White Supremacy fall...............HARD!!! The same goes for any other form(s) of ethnic supremacy.

His appearance is described in Daniel 10:6, Revelation 1:15, and is similar in the apocrypha:

Legs and arms like finely polished bronze

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Body like beryl/topaz

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He told us all things - even His coming that is alleged that no one will know (despite Him giving us details, and what He meant by no one knowing.)
 
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Read the accounts regarding Paul's encounter with Christ in the book of Acts again.
Yes? I see no description similar to this:

Rev 1.13 I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. 14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.​

Just a light from heaven and a voice.
 
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He told us all things - even His coming that is alleged that no one will know (despite Him giving us details, and what He meant by no one knowing.)
No one. Not even Himself.
 
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You may not know the history. The name was invented in the 2nd century to insult the Jews who had just lost the Bar Kochba revolt (circa 135 ad)

Say what now? That would be news to Herodotus, who referred to Palestine as a district of Syria in his history written in the 5th century BCE. (Or the Egyptians, who used a cognate name to refer to the place of the Philistines 700 years before that).

The exact borders of it are unclear, and probably varies from time to time, but Herodotus has it including the Mediterranean coast of Syria from Egypt to Phoenicia, and Aristotle places the Dead Sea within it. This would seem to overlap quite a bit with ancient Judea, and if it stretched from the coast to the Dead Sea, Bethlehem would be included.

After 135, the Romans placed Judea into the province of Syria Palaestina, but the name was not invented at that time, but already had been used for that region.
 
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Yes? I see no description similar to this:

Rev 1.13 I saw one like a son of man, clothed in a robe reaching to the feet, and girded across His chest with a golden sash. 14 His head and His hair were white like white wool, like snow; and His eyes were like a flame of fire. 15 His feet were like burnished bronze, when it has been made to glow in a furnace, and His voice was like the sound of many waters. 16 In His right hand He held seven stars, and out of His mouth came a sharp two-edged sword; and His face was like the sun shining in its strength.​

Just a light from heaven and a voice.

... then you must be blind when you read that, "His face was like the sun shining in its strength"! It's doesn't seem that John is really describing the visage of someone who appears as a shephardic Jew. And neither does Paul. And I, for one, am not going to kow-tow to your ethnic insistence. Jesus transcends ethnicities, and if present day Christian Jews, Messianic Jews, or non-Christian Jews, can't stomach that, then too bad!!! Deal with the Lord on that issue!
 
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Land of the Philistines - yes. And that was where the Romans took the name from. But Philistia was farther north than the land of Israel, It was NOT what Rome defined as Palestina.

Who cares about Philistia? I'm talking about what the Greeks and Romans called Palestine.

"In Palestine, however, is Gaza, a mighty and well fortified city."
--Pomponius Mela, De situ orbis (1st Century)

Is Gaza 'farther north than the land of Israel'?

Or since 2PhiloVoid is here, we can quote Philo of Alexandria (1st Century):

"[Moses] conducted his people as a colony into Phoenicia, and into the Coele-Syria, and Palestine, which was at that time called the land of the Canaanites, the borders of which country were three days' journey distant from Egypt."

If Phoenicia is in the North, and Coele-Syria is inland, that leaves Palestine in the south on the coast, stretching beyond Gaza to the border of Egypt.
 
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No one. Not even Himself.
Matthew 24:36-42

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.


But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.



But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.


Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Now, lets consider another set of verses:

1 Thessalonian 5:1-8:

But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.​

And, let's see yet another set of verses:

Daniel 11-12 gives a military briefing on the events up to the end.

We know when Christ will come back; we may not know hours or days, but that doesn't matter in prophecy anyway - Christ was giving a commentary on the foolishness of the beast system already in effect that most everyone followed at the time while at the same time giving a straight answer for His advent to come. God gave us the entire hemispherical dome for time keeping; instead we choose Timex. That is on us, not God and His Word.

If people are still looking at dates, instead of events, to determine prophecy, then there is a fundamental problem anyway. If you understand there is no such thing as time, but only evolution of events, then you will see that everyone will have the exact information they need to determine when Christ comes back if they pay attention to the events already past, currently ongoing, and the Word of God and prophecy.

Why would God make it so complicated? It is very straight forward. For example, Christ could not resurrect until He died. He couldn't have died unless the Pharisees were on to Him at His hour. The Pharisees wouldn't have been on to Christ then until Judas betrayed Him. Judas wouldn't have betrayed Him if Christ didn't recruit Him. Christ wouldn't have recruited Him if either Joseph or Mary did not have faith to nourish Him according to the will of God. There are no dates, no hours, no years: just events. Christ even drew attention to those specific events that, if His disciples were students of the Word of God, would have revealed who He was (e.g. riding the donkey into Jerusalem.)


Again, we know. Perhaps we have so much clear information that we don't trust ourselves, and we purposefully complicate it so that it can be somewhat mystical. However, God makes it very clear many, many times what will happen whenever He declares activity. He was the one who told us how this would end from the beginning (Genesis 3:15.)
 
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Has anyone noticed that the OP of all these threads has not returned to post in any of them?

Understood even when the post number only contained the OP.

That is fine; usually neither the OP, nor the members' exchanges are the focus spiritually.

Usually, onlookers (members and non-members alike) are the ones who need/should see the message most. Therefore, let's assume the OP is sincere until shown otherwise - given the content of the thread is important.

By the looks of the thread, however, there are several different conversations related (at least tangentially) to the OP with substance going on. Perhaps it will help someone.
 
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Check your history again. That province was called "Judea" in the first century.

I'm not sure why it's more important what the Romans called it in the 1st century as opposed to what the Greeks and Romans called it during the time of Alexander (and before and after).
 
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