Feeling Alone and Worthless

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I left my church too, i once had a so called Christian friend who gossiped about me in bad ways. Just because it's established as a church doesn't mean everything will be ok. Don't let the bad expieriances turn you off people. Would you believe the only friends I have are unbelieving ones! Not that there any help but hey, at least it's companionship. I too have recently went through isolation and loneliness because of having Christian ex friend hurt me. I no longer go to church.

My advise is pick yourself up and get out. Live according to christs standards and keep loving people. You will attract the right people for being yourself, you will find pretenders if you yourself is a pretender. Don't ever leave bad expieriances get you down. Let it be a lesson learned. After all, that how life teaches us
God Bless brother, Jonathan
Thanks, Jonathan. I appreciate your kind words and your strong support. I am glad that I left my previous church, they controlled who you could befriend and judged people outside the church (ie non-believers). That has allowed me to expand my horizons with people more than ever before, so I’m glad that I’m not alone in these experiences like I thought I was. Being yourself, that’s always good advice! I have spent most of my life putting on a face in order to attract others, but I’m glad that as I look at these forums that there’s no need to do this. Thanks again for your message! :)
 
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The Christian life can be reduced to a contest between two things: Self and God. By "Self" I mean that part of you that is self-centered, that is prideful, and occupied with gratifying fleshly impulses. It is that part of you that wants to sit in God's seat in your life, that wants to get the glory rather than God, and that is obsessed with being liked, and accepted, and understood. Self is the ultimate source of all of our sin; it is the root of all the evil that we do. Because this is so, Self and God cannot co-exist. We either live under God's control or the control of Self. We cannot do both. Self is so incorrigibly bent toward evil, however, it is so irremediably against God, that God had to put it to death on the Cross of Christ (Ro. 6:1-18; 8:6, 7), render it powerless there, that we might be new creatures in Christ, free to walk in newness of life with him (2 Cor. 5:17).

Why am I telling you all this? Because you are under the control of Self. This is always made evident by things like low self-esteem, and self-loathing, and fear, doubt, depression, anxiety, a sensitivity to criticism, and a temperament quick to take offense and hurt. None of these things are of God. His Spirit imparts to us love, joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, etc. (Ga. 5:22, 23) He leads us into a life of self-sacrifice, of death to Self, (Matt. 16:24, 25) not of Self-esteem. The only way to be free from the effects of Self is to die to it. That is, to enter into the truth of your crucifixion with Christ on the cross that has rendered Self powerless in your life (Ro. 6:6).



To be truly free of anxiety, one must be free of its source which is Self. God has already freed you from it; it remains for you to begin, by faith, to count on it being true (Ro. 6:11) and to live in the truth of your death to Self by your co-crucifixion with Christ. As you do, you will find anxiety, and depression, and the power of sinful, fleshly impulses dissolved. Your friends and counseling cannot replace what it is God has done for you in this regard through and in Christ.



Your value has nothing to do with what others may or may not do to, or with, you. You are valuable because God made you and made you in His image. No one can take that value from you. It is Self that attaches importance to being accepted and loved by others, that prompts you to connect your value to your standing in the eyes of others. The only One in whose eyes you ought to desire a good standing is God.



See above.

God bless you, too.
Wow, I am impressed by the time you took to share this word with me. Thank you so much for this reply. In all honesty you are right, this past year I have been under control of the flesh, as I have noticed by my increased difficulty lately to approach God like I have before experiencing all this isolation and anxiety. I have also sought out my friends above God, which has variable outcomes (mainly feeling more distant from God), so this is also what I need to see. The only way to truly be secure is not through understanding but trust only in what God thinks of me according to His Word. Praise God this message does not change based on circumstances, and that the depth of His love does not change for each of His people. Thanks for helping me re gain solid ground of my life through God’s word, I will refer to this post next time I experience trials. God bless you!

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Maybe, just try to learn more about the wide extent to which individual people--even Christians--are able to hear and digest other people's problems. Sometimes, these other Christian people have problems of their own, and when they hear people like yourself who are willing to open up on a larger scale, that discourages them because they're struggling to 'come out' and express the fact that they've got their own sins.

And I say this as one educated in the social sciences, so just realize that not everyone is prepared emotionally to hear a testimony and all it entails and thereby appreciate it. In an ideal world, they would, but being that we still live in a fallen (and stressful) world, not everyone can handle everyone else's "stories."

Peace,
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Thank you for your input, @2PhiloVoid Since I have been struggling with my friendships in the past year, it is encouraging to find this tid bit of advice from someone experienced in social sciences. I had a very sheltered childhood, and really didn’t learn have deeper friendships until I got to college, so I need all the help I can get, as I have often struggled being comfortable in my own skin (especially with friends) and trying to understand that I am not alone in my struggles. I’m thankful for my friends who have told me that I am good with being open, and it’s ok to be honest, but as people who are far less perfect than God, we have our limits on what we can handle from other less than perfect people. Thanks again and God bless!
 
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Thanks @Luin!!!!! As a new member I have enjoyed using CF so far and have been overwhelmed by the love and support you guys have shown me.
I am glad you have been overwhelmed by the love and support of people in Christian Forums. Christian Forums really is a great place. :) Blessings to you.
 
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Thank you for your input, @2PhiloVoid Since I have been struggling with my friendships in the past year, it is encouraging to find this tid bit of advice from someone experienced in social sciences. I had a very sheltered childhood, and really didn’t learn have deeper friendships until I got to college, so I need all the help I can get, as I have often struggled being comfortable in my own skin (especially with friends) and trying to understand that I am not alone in my struggles. I’m thankful for my friends who have told me that I am good with being open, and it’s ok to be honest, but as people who are far less perfect than God, we have our limits on what we can handle from other less than perfect people. Thanks again and God bless!

I'm not only experienced with the social sciences, but also with having been extremely lonely and socially inept when I was your age as well (with much of that being from no fault of my own---rather it was because I was born into a somewhat dysfunctional family who couldn't impart to me the advantages of "social growth.") So, now, years later, and much growth later, I can offer you these [hopefully] helpful suggestions along with what others are telling you here as well. ;)

God bless you, in Christ, brother Matthew

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I feel like this as well. i am currently struggling with it as people seem to not be prepared to spend time with me atm. I always ask people how they are getting on and listen to them to make sure its not just me talking about myself, but they just dont seem to want to spend time with me. Ive had the same problem with work as well, I am self employed under a firm that does my regualtion bits, but they are so busy making money for themselves that they wont give me any time to build my business.

I even arranged to speak to my pastor about a month ago so I booked an hour with him and was going to say I was struggling with people not giving me any time in any part of my life. His previous meeting overran so I only got a few minutes and then he said he had to see the next person on time rather than give me any time.

Should I leave that church?
 
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I am glad you have been overwhelmed by the love and support of people in Christian Forums. Christian Forums really is a great place. :) Blessings to you.
It is an awesome place, so thankful I found you guys. God bless you! :)
 
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I'm not only experienced with the social sciences, but also with having been extremely lonely and socially inept when I was your age as well (with much of that being from no fault of my own---rather it was because I was born into a somewhat dysfunctional family who couldn't impart to me the advantages of "social growth.") So, now, years later, and much growth later, I can offer you these [hopefully] helpful suggestions along with what others are telling you here as well. ;)

God bless you, in Christ, brother Matthew

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Now that’s awesome, I guess similar to my experience it takes a period of pain in order to gain experience! I’m glad you can share your experiences and suggestions here to encourage me in my growth, and find my spot in the Christian community! Thank you so much! You’ll see me in many more forums soon ;) God bless you too!
 
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I feel like this as well. i am currently struggling with it as people seem to not be prepared to spend time with me atm. I always ask people how they are getting on and listen to them to make sure its not just me talking about myself, but they just dont seem to want to spend time with me. Ive had the same problem with work as well, I am self employed under a firm that does my regualtion bits, but they are so busy making money for themselves that they wont give me any time to build my business.

I even arranged to speak to my pastor about a month ago so I booked an hour with him and was going to say I was struggling with people not giving me any time in any part of my life. His previous meeting overran so I only got a few minutes and then he said he had to see the next person on time rather than give me any time.

Should I leave that church?
Hi, @GirdYourLoins Thank you for asking me for my input. I am so sorry that you have been going through these struggles, as you can see in my thread, I know how that feels. sounds like your pastor’s previous meeting running late was an unforeseen circumstance so I would not give up just yet, I’m sure your pastor will still make time with to meet with you to talk about your struggles. But keeps making excuses to meet with you or does something mean like criticizing you, on top of your congregation not being intentional with you, I would definitely look elsewhere to experience God’s presence; if nothing works for you in this church it doesn’t sound like a great worship environment. Hope this helps!

Matthew
 
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Unfortunately Most people in this world are not trustworthy (Christian or not)
You got to be careful who you open up to in this life.

Once you find True Christian Friends Hold on To Them For Dear Life.

It's great when you can find Christian Friends that are not just your friend because you go to their Church.

Keep your head up Man. Who knows maybe the Holy Spirit is trying to show you something in your trial.
 
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Unfortunately Most people in this world are not trustworthy (Christian or not)
You got to be careful who you open up to in this life.

Once you find True Christian Friends Hold on To Them For Dear Life.

It's great when you can find Christian Friends that are not just your friend because you go to their Church.

Keep your head up Man. Who knows maybe the Holy Spirit is trying to show you something in your trial.
Thank you for this post. I definitely struggle in trust in God vs trust in people. Thankfully I have good friends who I can consider real brothers/sisters, not just someone who I like saying “hi” to. I even have broke it off with some of my previous friendships so I can strengthen the ones that matter the most to me. But hey, maybe God is using these trials to help me find a new community here on CF! ;)
 
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I was thinking about this again today.

First of all regarding my previous comment about my pastor, its another in a line of being ignored or not given time. The worship in the church is ok and the general socialising s ok, its just there is nothing deeper. I think its time to move on as I dont feel I can grow or help other people grow in that environment.

I think this issue may apply to you as well. People dont want to go deeper and because you are open about what you are going through it is difficult for them to deal with. People like us are happy being open and dealing with other people who are open, its normal for the likes of us. we are at the end of normal behaviour of being open about everything. The other end is that people cant open up about anything and keep everything to themselves, to the point of bottling it up. Most people are somewhere in between. I think society s becoming more closed in general and this is very noticeable in the church as well. People just dont want relationships with people that are open. They prefer people who lie and say everything is ok even when it isnt.

I dont mean this in a judgemental way, just being open on how I see things after spending time prayerfully thinking about it.
 
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I was thinking about this again today.

First of all regarding my previous comment about my pastor, its another in a line of being ignored or not given time. The worship in the church is ok and the general socialising s ok, its just there is nothing deeper. I think its time to move on as I dont feel I can grow or help other people grow in that environment.

I think this issue may apply to you as well. People dont want to go deeper and because you are open about what you are going through it is difficult for them to deal with. People like us are happy being open and dealing with other people who are open, its normal for the likes of us. we are at the end of normal behaviour of being open about everything. The other end is that people cant open up about anything and keep everything to themselves, to the point of bottling it up. Most people are somewhere in between. I think society s becoming more closed in general and this is very noticeable in the church as well. People just dont want relationships with people that are open. They prefer people who lie and say everything is ok even when it isnt.

I dont mean this in a judgemental way, just being open on how I see things after spending time prayerfully thinking about it.
I understand where you are coming from more fully now, thanks for clarifying. That sounds like me around the time I burned out with my last church. If the pastor doesn’t even make time to meet with you, I think that’s a red flag for moving on from that place of worship. For me my closer friends were the only ones who valued being open with my struggles, but the rest of the church seemed to take it on as a curse rather than a gift. Part of the problem for me was my last church was targeted for young adults/college students, so it’s understandable that everyone is bound to be busier, but there’s more to the story than just that - most of the people I met there were very superficial to where I just couldn’t even mess with them. Most of them seemed to be there because of guilt over not obeying church theology rather than loving God. When I found this to be the case in my church, I put on a mask and covered up my feelings, and you know the distrarous impact that had on my personal life lol This sounds exactly what I went through, so I can understand your pain.

If you want to start fresh with a new church, take a spiritual gifts test, if you haven’t done so. I would look for any church that treasures your spiritual gifts, so you can maximize your contribution to the church and it’s fellowship. And of course look for any church that values your gift of being open and honest with others, instead of a group that puts on a face. You are awesome, and I hope a church/community will discover you and your gifts, which are definitely worth valuing and cared for.
 
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I too have been dealing with a little bit of this. It's hard feeling like people are there, but not available for you to talk to. My church is so great about making people feel welcome, and helping them through their problems. (It's a very small church, so we're more like family) But I feel like when I try to communicate I end up "venting" or being a nuisance. (I know this probably isn't true, but it's just how I feel) I'm the friend that is always making sure everyone else is okay, and therefore most of the time struggle alone. I know Jesus should be enough, but there's something about being able to have a person there to experience life with.
My anxiety has been so bad I had to ask some of the ladies for prayer. Afterwards, I just felt dumb for being vulnerable. I don't have many friends, and my parents aren't the lovey, talk to you about your problems type of people. They haven't been to church in about 12 years. I feel alone 90% of the time. Praying for the Lord to help me be strong no matter what, but it sucks to feel alone in this world.
You seem like a really nice guy, and I pray you find yourself surrounded by friends and people soon who will be good to you. You may feel alone where you are, but trust me when I say you aren't alone in how you feel.
 
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I too have been dealing with a little bit of this. It's hard feeling like people are there, but not available for you to talk to. My church is so great about making people feel welcome, and helping them through their problems. (It's a very small church, so we're more like family) But I feel like when I try to communicate I end up "venting" or being a nuisance. (I know this probably isn't true, but it's just how I feel) I'm the friend that is always making sure everyone else is okay, and therefore most of the time struggle alone. I know Jesus should be enough, but there's something about being able to have a person there to experience life with.
My anxiety has been so bad I had to ask some of the ladies for prayer. Afterwards, I just felt dumb for being vulnerable. I don't have many friends, and my parents aren't the lovey, talk to you about your problems type of people. They haven't been to church in about 12 years. I feel alone 90% of the time. Praying for the Lord to help me be strong no matter what, but it sucks to feel alone in this world.
You seem like a really nice guy, and I pray you find yourself surrounded by friends and people soon who will be good to you. You may feel alone where you are, but trust me when I say you aren't alone in how you feel.
Thank you for your understanding. What you just described is also true about me in so many ways. I have worked on how to express my feelings constructively, but with my parents both working in the medical field and me being in grad school, we get pretty tense, so the only way to get any where is through venting but someone else’s feelings almost always gets hurt. And then when I look to my friends, I end up feeling and looking weird. I hope I’m not going to be stuck in this cycle forever, but I’m thankful for you and that you have strengthened my spirit with your encouragement.
 
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Wow, I am impressed by the time you took to share this word with me. Thank you so much for this reply. In all honesty you are right, this past year I have been under control of the flesh, as I have noticed by my increased difficulty lately to approach God like I have before experiencing all this isolation and anxiety. I have also sought out my friends above God, which has variable outcomes (mainly feeling more distant from God), so this is also what I need to see.

And why have you allowed yourself to come under the control of your flesh? Why have you looked first to your friends rather than to God? Discovering the answers to these questions might help you avoid a future repeat of drifting from God.

The only way to truly be secure is not through understanding but trust only in what God thinks of me according to His Word.

But trusting God this way requires that you understand what God thinks of you, doesn't it? I'm not sure, then, what you mean when you say that understanding is not part of being secure in your relationship with your Maker.

Thanks for helping me re gain solid ground of my life through God’s word, I will refer to this post next time I experience trials. God bless you!

Actually, the things I shared with you are fundamental to Christian living. Your co-crucifixion with Christ that Paul talks of again and again in his letters to the Early Church is a vital part of the foundation of your life in Christ. Jesus himself said that being his disciple required death to Self (Matt. 16:24, 25), not just periodically when God starts to feel distant, but as a constant state of affairs.

Galatians 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Colossians 3:2-3
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.


Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Romans 6:6-7
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.


I hope and pray God will bring you into a full understanding of the crucified life; for it is only in living such a life that fullness of fellowship with God can be experienced.

Happy New Year!
 
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And why have you allowed yourself to come under the control of your flesh? Why have you looked first to your friends rather than to God? Discovering the answers to these questions might help you avoid a future repeat of drifting from God.



But trusting God this way requires that you understand what God thinks of you, doesn't it? I'm not sure, then, what you mean when you say that understanding is not part of being secure in your relationship with your Maker.



Actually, the things I shared with you are fundamental to Christian living. Your co-crucifixion with Christ that Paul talks of again and again in his letters to the Early Church is a vital part of the foundation of your life in Christ. Jesus himself said that being his disciple required death to Self (Matt. 16:24, 25), not just periodically when God starts to feel distant, but as a constant state of affairs.

Galatians 5:24
24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.


Colossians 3:2-3
2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.


Galatians 2:20
20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.


Romans 6:6-7
6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.
7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.


I hope and pray God will bring you into a full understanding of the crucified life; for it is only in living such a life that fullness of fellowship with God can be experienced.

Happy New Year!
Hi @aiki happy new year to you also! Sorry if I came off as a little vague. I’m sure that what I have been experiencing is still me trusting my own flesh instead of God, how foolish of me lol I really need help in curbing my desires to follow my flesh, especially since there’s is still so much of God and what He thinks of me that I need to understand. My flesh has also gained control because of a very sheltered lifestyle. No doubt I have loving family members who proudly demonstrate God’s love, but I have had problems with them in the past few years because of differences in how we interpret our relationships with God. Even though I crave fellowship with others I felt as if throughout my life I often don’t feel as if I was allowed space to grow with my relationship with God (ie praying, reading God’s word, etc), as evident in personality clashes, disagreements over Christianity and my parents unwillingness to “let go” as I went off to college to make my own choices and experiences. As for the second part of your question I must have made a typo, I must have been tired when I said that lol trusting in God’s word requires understanding and trust, but I think what I was trying to say then is that living for God is more than just memorization of Bible verses without seeking deeper understanding, it’s about understanding what God is saying and trusting in Him. I’ll keep your wonderful response as I seek God and His ways. Thanks so much!
 
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