Jesus Told Many They Would Live to See His Coming.

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Or it meant the early church was as confused about the subject as the church today and thought that John would be raptured rather than die. Since John, at least acceding to religious tradition was the only one of the apostles to live to see Jesus's prophecy come to pass. He with hindsight the others did not have thought it good to point out that Jesus did not say he would not die but would remain alive until Jesus came. In other words he understood what the coming of the Lord was while the "brethren" thought it was an end of the world scenario; ike most of the commentators on this thread. He was correcting that misconception.
I'm confused by your wording, but I definitely don't think it was referring to an end of the world scenario.

I could see what you mean by John seeing. Not as him living that long, but that the prophecy would come through him and the book of revelations. That he'd SEE as in prophetically have the vision. I can see that. That would actually fit.
 
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Are you aware that Jesus told many of the people he was speaking to, including he apostle John, that they would live long enough to see the coming of the Lord? Here Matthew, Mark and Luke all record the same scene when Jesus tells a group of his disciples that some of them will live long enough to see his coming.

Matthew16: 27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28: Truly I say to you, There are some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Mark 8:38 Whoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. 9:1 And he said to them, Truly I say to you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Luke 9:26 For whoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels. 27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Here Jesus tells John that he will live long enough to see his coming but tells Peter he will not.

John 21:18. (Jesus speaking to Peter) Truly, Truly, I say to you, When you were young, you dressed yourself, and walked where ever you desired: but when your old, you will stretch forth your hands, and another will dress you, and carry you where you do not want. 19. This he spoke, signifying by what death he (Peter) should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he said to him, Follow me. 20. Then Peter, turning around, seeing the disciple whom Jesus loved (John) following;...... 21. Peter seeing him said to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22. Jesus answers him, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? Follow me. 23. Then this saying abroad went out among the brothers, that this disciple (John) should not die: yet Jesus did not say to him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you?

Then Jesus tells the High Priest and the other religious leaders of Israel that some of them would live long enough to see his coming.

Mark 14:61 ...Again the high priest asked him, Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? 62. And Jesus said, I am: and you will see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Then of course there Jesus's prophecy about the destruction of the temple and the city of Jerusalem. It is very important to note that the only place in his whole prophecy that he used the emphasis "truly truly I say to you" to command their attention, and ours was concerning when this prophecy would come to pass.

Matthew 24:32. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is close: 33. So likewise, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34. In truth I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35. Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36. But of that day and hour knows no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Mark 13:28. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near: 29. So in like manner, when you shall see these things come to pass, know that it is close, even at the doors. 30. In truth I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. 31. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. 32. But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

Luke 21:29. And he spoke to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30. When they now shoot forth, you see and know of your own selves that summer is now close at hand. 31. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know that the kingdom of God is close at hand. 32. In truth I say to you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. 33. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

This is all in exact accordance with Daniels prophecy that when the messiah comes the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed. In fact the destruction of the temple and the city was one of the major signs, like his death and resurrection that Jesus was indeed the messiah.

Daniel chapter 9 verses 25-27. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So why do so many Christians and pastors not pay any attention to all these scriptures that say when Jesus would come and instead place it in our future? I think mostly because they have no incentive to notice them. They accepted a teaching called the "second coming" as gospel long before they became familiar enough with the scripture to observe anything contrary to it. The Greek word for second doesn't even occur one time in the same sentence in the entire New Testament with the Greek word for "coming." The acceptance of these pop culture end time teachings has quite naturally caused a spiritual and intellectual laziness around the subject of the coming of the Lord. The scripture is replete with these great days of judgment where the Lord literally and physically came to earth to oversee great days of judgment or calamity. This isn't the only one the New Testament prophesied either. There are a dozen chapters of end time prophecy about the great judgments and end of the age of the four Gentile empires in the book of Revelation. Every single sentence of Jesus's prophecy in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 came to pass in the first century. I had the incentive and the calling to find out just exactly how. Especially with the seemingly difficult verses.

If this stirs anyone's curiosity you can read the article here. I am currently advertising it on Facebook. You'll not find a more complete account in a more easy to read format. Otherwise argue away.
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After the Son of God returned to heaven, the "spirit of truth" was pored out upon all flesh. That was the coming of the Son into the kingdom of the spirit. In a future age, after the original gospel subdues all of mankind, the Son will return for a visit and we will receive him gladly and with authority.
 
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I certainly do contend that eey single verse was fulfilled.
well you can contend all you want till the cows come home , and write 100,000,000 articles contending what you say all while not recognizing the true reality of modern warfare.

That is why your whole teaching is false Jesus plainly said in the most undeniable manner that in NO time EVER could there be a Great Trib period of time that which to what he spoke of
according to you if we believe what you error says that there is No chance in the future that devastation could occur that was as bad as what happened already -
Nuclear war would be many times worse than of the day 2000 years ago
Chemical warfare would be many times worse than of the day 2000 years ago
Hope you realize your error as you simply misinterpret what the scripture means
 
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Other than a small number of exceptions, the following represent the prevailing fulfilled view of Matthew 24 and its parallel passages for 18 centuries of Christian Church history.


160AD Clement of Alexandria

(On Matthew 24:15, The Abomination of Desolation) "We have still to add to our chronology the following, -- I mean the days which Daniel indicates from the desolation of Jerusalem, the seven years and seven months of the reign of Vespasian. For the two years are added to the seventeen months and eighteen days of Otho, and Galba, and Vitellius; and the result is three years and six months, which is "the half of the week," as Daniel the prophet said. For he said that there were two thousand three hundred days from the time that the abomination of Nero stood in the holy city, till its destruction. For thus the declaration, which is subjoined, shows: "How long shall be the vision, the sacrifice taken away, the abomination of desolation, which is given, and the power and the holy place shall be trodden under foot? And he said to him, Till the evening and morning, two thousand three hundred days, and the holy place shall be taken away."


325AD Eusebius Pamphilius

Ecclesiastical History: (On Matthew 24:15) "--all these things, as well as the many great sieges which were carried on against the cities of Judea, and the excessive. sufferings endured by those that fled to Jerusalem itself, as to a city of perfect safety, and finally the general course of the whole war, as well as its particular occurrences in detail, and how at last the abomination of desolation, proclaimed by the prophets, stood in the very temple of God, so celebrated of old, the temple which was now awaiting its total and final destruction by fire,-- all these things any one that wishes may find accurately described in the history written by Josephus." (Book III, Ch. 5)


375AD John Chrysostom

Homily St. Matthew: (On Matthew 24:15) "And see how He relates the war, by the things that seem to be small setting forth how intolerable it was to be. For, "Then,"saith He, "let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains." Then, When? When these things should be, "when the abomination of desolation should stand in the holy place." Whence He seems to me to be speaking of the armies." (Homily 76, Number 1)


John Calvin

Matthew 24:15

When you shall see the abomination of desolation. Because the destruction of the temple and city of Jerusalem, together with the overthrow of the whole Jewish government, was (as we have already said) a thing incredible, and because it might be thought strange, that the disciples could not be saved without being torn from that nation, to which had been committed the adoption and the covenant(Romans 9:4) of eternal salvation, Christ confirms both by the testimony of Daniel As if he had said, That you may not be too strongly attached to the temple and to the ceremonies of the Law, God has limited them to a fixed time, 136 and has long ago declared, that when the Redeemer should come, sacrifices would cease; and that it may not give you uneasiness to be cut off from your own nation, God has also forewarned his people, that in due time it would be rejected.


Adam Clarke

Matthew 24:15

The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk 21:20, Luk 21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem; this, our Lord says, is what was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, in the ninth and eleventh chapters of his prophecy; and so let every one who reads these prophecies understand them; and in reference to this very event they are understood by the rabbins. The Roman army is called an abomination, for its ensigns and images, which were so to the Jews. Josephus says, (War, b. vi. chap. 6), the Romans brought their ensigns into the temple, and placed them over against the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there. The Roman army is therefore fitly called the abomination, and the abomination which maketh desolate, as it was to desolate and lay waste Jerusalem; and this army besieging Jerusalem is called by St. Mark, Mar 13:14, standing where it ought not, that is, as in the text here, the holy place; as not only the city, but a considerable compass of ground about it, was deemed holy, and consequently no profane persons should stand on it.

Matthew 24:16

Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains - This counsel was remembered and wisely followed by the Christians afterwards. Eusebius and Epiphanius say, that at this juncture, after Cestius Gallus had raised the siege, and Vespasian was approaching with his army, all who believed in Christ left Jerusalem and fled to Pella, and other places beyond the river Jordan; and so they all marvellously escaped the general shipwreck of their country: not one of them perished. See on Mat 24:13 (note).


Matthew Henry

Matthew 24:15

Here he comes more closely to answer their questions concerning the desolation of the temple; and what he said here, would be of use to his disciples, both for their conduct and for their comfort, in reference to that great event; he describes the several steps of that calamity, such as are usual in war.1. The Romans setting up the abomination of desolation in the holy place, v. 15. Now, (1.) Some understand by this an image, or statue, set up in the temple by some of the Roman governors, which was very offensive to the Jews, provoked them to rebel, and so brought the desolation upon them. The image of Jupiter Olympius, which Antiochus caused to be set upon the altar of God, is called Bdelygma eremoseos —The abomination of desolation, the very word here used by the historian, 1 Mac. 1:54 . Since the captivity in Babylon, nothing was, nor could be, more distasteful to the Jews than an image in the holy place, as appeared by the mighty opposition they made when Caligula offered to set up his statue there, which had been of fatal consequence, if it had not been prevented, and the matter accommodated, by the conduct of Petronius; but Herod did set up an eagle over the temple-gate; and, some say, the statue of Titus was set up in the temple. (2.) Others choose to expound it by the parallel place (Lu. 21:20 ),when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies. Jerusalem was the holy city, Canaan the holy land, the Mount Moriah, which lay about Jerusalem, for its nearness to the temple was, they thought in a particular manner holy ground; on the country lying round about Jerusalem the Roman army was encamped, that was the abomination that made desolate. The land of an enemy is said to be the land which thou abhorrest (Isa. 7:16 ); so an enemy’s army to a weak but wilful people may well be called the abomination.Now this is said to be spoken of by Daniel, the prophet, who spoke more plainly of the Messiah and his kingdom than any of the Old-Testament prophets did. He speaks of an abomination making desolate, which should be set up by Antiochus (Dan. 11:31Dan. 12:11 ); but this that our Saviour refers to, we have in the message that the angel brought him (Dan. 9:27 ), of what should come at the end of seventy weeks, long after the former; for the overspreading of abominations, or, as the margin reads it, with the abominable armies (which comes home to the prophecy here), he shall make it desolate.


John Wesley

Matthew 24:15-16
24:15
When ye see the abomination of desolation - Daniel's term is, The abomination that maketh desolate, Daniel 11:31 ; that is, the standards of the desolating legions, onwhich they bear the abominable images of their idols: Standing in the holy place - Not only the temple and the mountain on which it stood, but the whole city of Jerusalem, and several furlongs of land round about it, were accounted holy; particularly the mount on which our Lord now sat, and on which the Romans afterward planted their ensigns. He that readeth let him understand - Whoever reads that prophecy of Daniel, let him deeply consider it. 13:14 ; Luke 21:20; Dan 9:27.

24:16
Then let them who are in Judea flee to the mountains - So the Christians did, and were preserved. It is remarkable that after the Romans under Cestus Gallus made their first advances toward Jerusalem, they suddenly withdrew again, in a most unexpected and indeed impolitic manner. This the Christians took as a signal to retire, which they did, some to Pella, and others to Mount Libanus.


Charles Spurgeon

Matthew 24:15-18

This portion of our Savior’s words appears to relate solely to the destruction of Jerusalem. As soon as Christ’s disciples saw “the abomination of desolation,” that is, the Roman ensigns with their idolatrous emblems, “stand in the holy place,” they knew that the time for them to escape had arrived—and they did “flee into the mountains.” The Christians in Jerusalem and the surrounding towns and villages “in Judaea,” availed themselves of the first opportunity for eluding the Roman armies, and fled to the mountain city of Pella, in Perea, where they were preserved from the general destruction which overthrew the Jews. There was no time to spare before the final investment of the guilty city. The man “on the housetop” could “not come down to take anything out of his house,” and the man “in the field” could not “return back to take his clothes.” They must flee to the mountains in the greatest haste, the moment that they saw “Jerusalem compassed with armies” (Luke 21:20).
Yep. No doubt the rise in popularity of these pop culture end time teachings coincided with the rise of progressivism and all its evils in the beginning of the last century. It was not just Scoefield and Darby though. It was Moody and his model of ministry training schools that have become the pattern of todays ministry training schools. Moody totally accepted the Darbyites end time teachings and that very intellectually and spiritually lazy way looking at prophecy became the standard in almost all of todays ministry training schools that Moody created the model for.

The fruit is so evident. The creators and the founders of the free world armed with Bibles in the hands of the general public were able to wrestle their freedom and ours from empires and kingdoms that had ruled mankind in perpetuity. They has a vision for the future that was not apocalyptic as the prevailing view was Ah or Post millennialism. Todays believers with their apocalyptic vision for the future can't even win control of their own free nations from a radical minority of leftist. Just the nature of things. One group believed the world they were creating was the furfure of the earth and God was with them to establish it. The other group believes that the world is on an inevitable track towards complete domination by evil and eventual destruction.
 
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Sorry now lads, but if Jesus came already and there is no second coming per say,
Does this mean this is the new heaven and new earth??
Because if it is, I don’t want any part of His kingdom.

This debate sounds very like the wise and foolish virgins
No it does not mean that the second advent has happened. The Lord can be present in many ways just as He was in the in the burning bush, in the cloud by day and the burning pillar by night. He can demonstrate His power and glory but giving the Holy Spirit on Pentecost, showing judgment by Noah's flood, and by showing judgement on the unbelieving Jews in the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem, thereby ending the Mosaic economy with it's blood sacrifices and oblations, And the spreading of the Gospel by His messengers. :)
 
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The apostle Paul warned against those who, like Hymenaeus and Philetus, teach falsely “that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some” (2 Timothy 2:17–18). It appears that is what you claimed. The Bible links the resurrection with Jesus' coming. The Bible says Jesus will come back the same way He left. Jesus says that it won't be hidden when He comes, all will see Him. And, many non-believers will be unified against Him when He comes--so they will see Him, too.

Yet, you seem to be claiming that you aren't claiming that by saying that Jesus already? We can certainly argue about the numbers. Not even counting any appearances in the Old Testament, Jesus came to be the Lamb of God (that's first coming in New Testament). Then after being raised, He went back to the Father, after His resurrection and after seeing Mary at the Tomb, then came back to see others (second coming). Then, after spending time with the original Apostles with various appearances (whether or not He went back to the Father in-between, we aren't specifically told). Then, as the Apostles are watching Him rise into the sky (through their eyes), they are told they will see Him come back in like manner by the angels there. Then we hear of voices and visions. We don't hear of another coming of Jesus recorded in Scripture. All the writers were expecting Him to come in the future. Where do you see the scene where Jesus returns and the "dead"-in-Christ and alive-in-Christ are raised in history? The one-sided bloodbath alone, as recorded in Scripture, should have been recorded somewhere in historical records, if it happened already, shouldn't it have?
That is the baggage that your religious dogma carries not mine. If the Bible taught there was a one time end of the world scenario called the second coming and a one, (or two) time future event called the resurrection of dead bodies from the ground and anything that refers to an end time event is referring to that dogma. Then you would be correct. That however is why you will never understand Bible prophecy and be consigned to falsely prognosticating the future the rest of your days. You as a saint of God have been robbed of a scriptural vision for the future and you don't even know it. So you'll reap what you sow as per the judgment of God. Problem is some of the more considerate among us don't want to reap what you are sowing in the earth. So we fight it with the Word. I doubt that you have any interest in doing so since I'm pretty sure you did'nt take any time to read any of the article I posted to see if I can actually offer any proof for my claims. But here is another article of mine on resurrection.
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Jesus warned people not to look for the kingdom of heaven as a place on earth, for the kingdom of heaven is within.

Luke 17:21 neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.

People were expecting a Jesus in the flesh instead of the Holy Spirit. Jesus will become more apparent as a new heaven and earth will be established as Peter prophesied in his second epistle. A 2nd coming is inferred by some passages, although not easily understood. Resurrection was promised to the saints.

Matthew 24:35 (WEB) Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
Do you believe the earth will literally pass away by the Lords fire in judgment? 2 Peter 3:10-13
 
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That is the baggage that your religious dogma carries not mine. If the Bible taught there was a one time end of the world scenario called the second coming and a one, (or two) time future event called the resurrection of dead bodies from the ground and anything that refers to an end time event is referring to that dogma. Then you would be correct. That however is why you will never understand Bible prophecy and be consigned to falsely prognosticating the future the rest of your days. You as a saint of God have been robbed of a scriptural vision for the future and you don't even know it. So you'll reap what you sow as per the judgment of God. Problem is some of the more consider it among us don't want to reap what you are sowing in the earth. So we fight it with the Word. I doubt that you have any interest in doing so since I'm pretty sure you did'nt take any time to read any of the article I posted to see if I can actually offer any proof for my claims. But here is another article of mine on resurrection.
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You have not answered my questions, why?

Do you believe Daniels "Abomination of Desolation" as seen in Matthew 24:15 is a future event?

Do you believe the "Great Tribulation" as seen in Matthew 24:21 is a future event?
 
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Daniel, the verses in my bible are in the same order as in your bible. What is out of order is your interpretation and logic of what is the abomination of desolation, which is only found in Matthew and Mark, not Luke.

I am saying that you not comprehending that the dispersion of the Jews into the nations immediately following the destruction of Jerusalem - precedes the end time abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 and Mark 13 - by 2000 years.

Following the abomination of desolation event in Matthew and Mark, the elect are all gathered back to Israel.

You can't see that the desolation of Jerusalem resulted in the dispersion of the Jews into the nations?
And that the gathering of the elect is bringing the Jews back to Israel ?
I guess our conversation ends here then.
 
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That is the baggage that your religious dogma carries not mine. If the Bible taught there was a one time end of the world scenario called the second coming and a one, (or two) time future event called the resurrection of dead bodies from the ground and anything that refers to an end time event is referring to that dogma. Then you would be correct. That however is why you will never understand Bible prophecy and be consigned to falsely prognosticating the future the rest of your days. You as a saint of God have been robbed of a scriptural vision for the future and you don't even know it. So you'll reap what you sow as per the judgment of God. Problem is some of the more consider it among us don't want to reap what you are sowing in the earth. So we fight it with the Word. I doubt that you have any interest in doing so since I'm pretty sure you did'nt take any time to read any of the article I posted to see if I can actually offer any proof for my claims. But here is another article of mine on resurrection.
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It appears you deny a future event where Jesus Christ returns in power and glory, being seen by human eyes? Matthew 24:29-31

It appears you deny a future bodily resurrection? 1 Corinthians 15:51-54
 
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well you can contend all you want till the cows come home , and write 100,000,000 articles contending what you say all while not recognizing the true reality of modern warfare.

That is why your whole teaching is false Jesus plainly said in the most undeniable manner that in NO time EVER could there be a Great Trib period of time that which to what he spoke of
according to you if we believe what you error says that there is No chance in the future that devastation could occur that was as bad as what happened already -
Nuclear war would be many times worse than of the day 2000 years ago
Chemical warfare would be many times worse than of the day 2000 years ago
Hope you realize your error as you simply misinterpret what the scripture means
But none of that was as bad as the flood that killed every single living thing on earth except for those in the ark.
The end of the world does not mean it disappears , notice it is also called "the end of the age"

Surely you don't think that every single verse in those chapters has actually come to pass - if you do you are VERY mistaken - think about it then you are saying that that no time in the present nor the future could possibly be Great Tribulation that would be as bad it is was 2000 years ago - simply false thinking to say such a thing

21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened

If what you say is valid then we would find factual physical evidence that Jesus has returned to earth which we know has not yet happened - that kind of false teaching simply does not match to what Jesus said:

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory
The end of what age exactly?
 
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No, their interpretations were the same as most all the churches when it came to these Gospel verses. Calvin thought that Jesus was referring to Daniel 12 others, such as Matthew Henry, Daniel 9 but they all agreed that these scriptures are talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Their views were the historical view [Historicism] of these scriptures. Charles Spurgeon, one of, if not the most, respected preacher and theologian of his time, says in his commentary...

You and I would have believed that all this came true without any confirmation from outside history, but it was very remarkable that God should raise up the Jew Josephus, and put it into his mind to write a record of the siege of Jerusalem, which curdles the blood of everyone who reads it, and exactly bears out the statement of the Master that there was to be “great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world, no, nor ever shall be.”


This exposition consisted of readings from Matthew 23:29-39; and Matthew 24:1-21.

Matthew 24 Commentary - Spurgeon's Verse Expositions of the Bible

Scofield, on the other hand, would have us believe that Luke was writing about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD but Matthew was writing about future event before a restoration of Jerusalem.
Matthew says ....
Mat 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Mat 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Luke says....
Luk 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luk 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luk 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luk 21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Clearly Luke and Matthew are referring to the same words that Jesus spoke. If Israel is the fig tree becoming a state in 1948, as some suppose, what nations are the other trees that a budding, what new nations are these?

Adam Clarke
Learn a parable of the fig-tree - That is, These signs which I have given you will be as infallible a proof of the approaching ruin of the Jewish state as the budding of the trees is a proof of the coming summer.

John Gill
Now learn a parable of the fig tree,.... Take a similitude, or comparison from the fig tree, which was a tree well known in Judea; and the putting forth of its branches, leaves, and fruit, fell under the observation of everyone:....
So the writers believed and taught?

Daniels "Abomination of Desolation" as seen in Matthew 24:15 has been fulfilled in 66-70AD

The "Great Tribulation" as seen in Matthew 24:21 was fulfilled in 66-70AD?
 
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After the Son of God returned to heaven, the "spirit of truth" was pored out upon all flesh. That was the coming of the Son into the kingdom of the spirit. In a future age, after the original gospel subdues all of mankind, the Son will return for a visit and we will receive him gladly and with authority.
In a future age? What has been going on the last 2000 year? Or to be more speicifc. What has been going on for the last 500 years?
 
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I'm confused by your wording, but I definitely don't think it was referring to an end of the world scenario.

I could see what you mean by John seeing. Not as him living that long, but that the prophecy would come through him and the book of revelations. That he'd SEE as in prophetically have the vision. I can see that. That would actually fit.
Yet he said this to way more people than just John.
 
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Matthew 24:16. Then let them which are in Judea flee into the mountains: 17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! 20. But pray that your flight is not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mark 13:14..... then let them that are in Judea flee to the mountains: 15. And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16. And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! 18. And pray that your flight be not in the winter. 19. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, neither shall be. 20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he has chosen, he has shortened the days.
Luke 21:21. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter into it. 22. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Daniel, it would be helpful in communicating your interpretation and logic, you should state right off the bat, the basis is - "let them that are in Judea flee to the mountains:" is in all three gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

And in your copy and paste of the text, you could have highlighted the text, that phrase, by underlining, or changing the font color, or bolding the text. But you did nothing.

Also what makes your presentation very difficult to read is that you have no blank line spacing between the quotes.

Here, I will slightly modify your presentation, accordingly.

Matthew 24:16. Then let them which are in Judea flee into the mountains: 17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! 20. But pray that your flight is not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

Mark 13:14..... then let them that are in Judea flee to the mountains: 15. And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16. And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! 18. And pray that your flight be not in the winter. 19. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, neither shall be. 20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he has chosen, he has shortened the days.

Luke 21:21
. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter into it. 22. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Then Daniel, for you next presentation of proofs, you should separate each group by a horizontal line across the page like this....

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I have only started using this technique in my own posts and I think it makes it easier for people to follow what I am saying because I break the content up into manageable bite sizes.

I don't agree with your view, but my suggestions are intended to improve your communication effectiveness. I am constantly working on my own communication skills.
 
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Some of the apostles saw the transfiguration, including John.
See Him sitting on the right hand of power is when He returns after the 6th seal is opened. He is coming in glory. At the time of Him coming in glory is when saints shall be like Him for they shall see Him as He is.

Jesus Christ told the people of His day that there would be no signs from heaven and only the sign of Jonas.
I am not going to bother reading through the pages of this thread to see, but I hope that by the time of this post the OP has not continued on ignoring your very first sentence, "Some of the apostles saw the transfiguration, including John."

For Jesus did only say, "some" would see, rather than, "all."

It was likely he meant by the Transfiguration which happened only 6 days later. But he also could have had in mind that some would see what Stephen did as he was being stoned to death:

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

That Jesus meant the Transfiguration is the likeliest, for, Luke correlates those words of Jesus to the Transfiguration at Luke 9:27-36
 
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But none of that was as bad as the flood that killed every single living thing on earth except for those in the ark.

The end of what age exactly?
lol, now you really sinking fast - you refer to the flood? Jesus was NOT speaking of the flood - but you say that the people in the audience would see these things happen - you think that Jesus gave a prophecy and it was fulfilled like 1800 years before he gave it ^_^

(NKJV)3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


(KJV)Mark 13
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled ?
 
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well you can contend all you want till the cows come home , and write 100,000,000 articles contending what you say all while not recognizing the true reality of modern warfare.

That is why your whole teaching is false Jesus plainly said in the most undeniable manner that in NO time EVER could there be a Great Trib period of time that which to what he spoke of
according to you if we believe what you error says that there is No chance in the future that devastation could occur that was as bad as what happened already -
Nuclear war would be many times worse than of the day 2000 years ago
Chemical warfare would be many times worse than of the day 2000 years ago
Hope you realize your error as you simply misinterpret what the scripture means
Well lets just test your theory. Below are the three account and their corresponding verses. We see people being able to flee to the mountains survive. We see Jesus telling them to pray that this does not occur in the winter months and we see flesh being saved. We also see this claim by Jesus that: Matthew 24:21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Mark 13: 19. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, neither shall be. That you interpret as the greatest calamity the earth ever has or ever will face. Yet in the great flood no one was able to flee anywhere. In fact every air breathing creature man and animal perished. All these folks have to do is flee to the mountains after the army surrounding Jerusalem leaves which it did. Only 8 people survived the flood. Here thousands survive. So according to you Jesus is full it. But then that is according to you. I prefer to stick to the context and look for my explanations within the context.

Matthew 24:16. Then let them which are in Judea flee into the mountains: 17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! 20. But pray that your flight is not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day: 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Mark 13:14..... then let them that are in Judea flee to the mountains: 15. And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein, to take any thing out of his house: 16. And let him that is in the field not turn back again for to take up his garment. 17. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! 18. And pray that your flight be not in the winter. 19. For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, neither shall be. 20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he has chosen, he has shortened the days.
Luke 21: 21. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter into it. 22. For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23. But woe to them that are with child, and to them that are nursing in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. 24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
 
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lol, now you really sinking fast - you refer to the flood? Jesus was NOT speaking of the flood - but you say that the people in the audience would see these things happen - you think that Jesus gave a prophecy and it was fulfilled like 1800 years before he gave it ^_^

(NKJV)3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


(KJV)Mark 13
4 Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled ?
Your prejudice is shining pretty brightly there. How utterly ridiculous.
 
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