Why Baptism is Essential to Salvation

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Why Baptism is Essential to Salvation: It's Time to Take Off the Denominational Sunglasses


I want to preface this by making sure the reader understands two things:


1. I was raised in the church of Christ and realize that there is a history of bad blood between members of the church and, say, Baptists or Presbyterians who do not believe in the essential nature of baptism. Rightfully so, these denominations have felt they are condemned by their "faith only" salvation mindset by members of the church of Christ. I personally have chosen to believe that if you say you are a Christian, and are living that out in your life, that I just choose to believe that you are a Christian. However, I firmly believe that your faith is blinded by denominational terminology and tradition and that if you are truly seeking the Kingdom, that you will listen to what I have to say. As the title suggests, it's time to take off the 'denominational sunglasses' and try and look at the scripture for what IT says, not what MAN says about scripture. I believe that the churches of Christ have some glaring faults that have been and are being addressed, but none of them are salvation important faults. I do believe that in the area of baptism, the church of Christ is the only section of Christendom that may have it right. I pray that this is not true though.


2. You may not believe it, but I do NOT look at denominations as the enemy, but as the opportunity. I care SO much that the Christ seeker looks to scripture and not to their man made traditions. In Matthew 6:33, Jesus commands us to seek FIRST his kingdom. I'm seeking this not just for myself, but hopefully for everyone around me. I promise you I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to encourage people to step outside of the only religious boundaries we know, and truly examine the scriptures as our only guide.


We need to go into this with a set of rules to establish our foundation. As long as we can start here, we have a level playing field. If we can't agree on them then you may as well not be reading this in the first place. These rules are:


1. We agree that the Bible and the scripture within are God breathed and inspired.


2. We agree that ALL of what the Bible teaches is accurate, true and essential to our knowledge of Him who created us.


3. (And this is where I feel, unfortunately, I'm going to lose some of you) What the scripture states (or does not state) is vastly more important than man made terminology we have created over time.


#3 is where we need to start. It is vital in your Christian walk to know that if your denomination has a term, or set of words that are not specifically in scripture, that you SERIOUSLY question that ideology. For instance, The Sinner's Prayer is a good example. It simply is not in the Bible. The term "Accept Jesus into your heart" simply is not in the Bible. The statement "Baptism is only a symbol" is, once again, simply not in the Bible. All three of the above statements have come from interpretations of select verses without looking at the whole.


Let's begin with an example of quality versus quantity so that we can illustrate some of the following points. When examining textual variations within some of the thousands of Biblical manuscripts that we have obtained over time, scholars have a set of rules that they apply to what should stay and what should not (read "How We Got The Bible" by Lightfoot for more on this. It is also an excellent book). When there is a variation between manuscripts, scholars choose to look towards the most quality manuscript first, not necessarily the quantity of manuscripts with the variation. When looking at the following, it is important that just because a quantity of scriptures does not mention a particular item, it does not negate the quality scriptures that do.


I began thinking of writing this when I opened my Bible application on my phone and found an article titled, "What is Baptism?". Curiously I opened it and found the following points that they state are "significant". First, they say "Baptism isn't what saves you." They back this statement up with Ephesians 2:8-9, a favorite of the faith-only crowd. Look at rule #3 above. This verse simply does not say "Baptism isn't what saves you". This is the reader adding this to the chosen scripture. You can say baptism isn't what saves you all day long, but if you read Acts 2:37-38, it clearly says that repentance and baptism are essential to the forgiveness of sins (here again we must agree that forgiveness of sins is salvation or we aren't standing on an even ground once more). But we'll come back to this.


The second statement the article made was "Baptism is a symbol." I was discouraged to find that there was no scripture to even back this statement up. A Bible App, making Bible statements with no scriptural backing? Alarms should go off for anyone in this case. I can only assume that they would refer to 1 Peter 3:21 which is constantly misread and taken out of context to try and support the "baptism is a symbol" statement. We'll also examine this scripture as well.


I opened up an article on Neverthirsty.org where a reader states that they believe that baptism is required for salvation. The reader chooses Acts 2:36-38, John 3:1-7 and Romans 6:3-4 as sources for this belief. The unnamed author then chooses to make four points that state why baptism is not essential to salvation. In his very first paragraph he completely negates the rest of his argument. He says, "We need to honestly ask ourselves the following question. Why, if baptism is the key difference between eternal life with God or eternal life in hell why does it ONLY show up in four places in the New Testament "as a condition of salvation" " (not edited for grammatical errors). I had to stop and re-read it. Did he just admit that scripture has baptism as a condition of salvation, and yet, because it is only in there four times, that it's not applicable? He goes on to state that at least "25 other times baptism is never mentioned as a condition of salvation". My first question to the author is, how many times does the Bible need to state ANYTHING is a condition of salvation before you agree that it is, in fact, a condition of salvation??? Let's also go back to our quality versus quantity statement. First of all, I disagree that there are ONLY four, but even if there were, would a verse that only mentions faith completely negate a verse that mentions repentance and baptism? Refer to rule #2 above.


Here's a silly yet applicable illustration. If Acts 2:37-38 mentioned that forgiveness of sins required repentance and dipping your head in goat urine, yet it was mentioned nowhere else in the Bible and only faith was mentioned, would that negate the goat urine act? I very much hope that you, along with me would gladly dip your head in the urine for your salvation! However the goat urine is baptism and baptism is mentioned far more than once in reference to the forgiveness of our sins, the washing of our sins and our salvation through baptism.


I'd like to address his other points as well. Two of them are easily addressed. He references Luke 7:50 where Jesus says to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." The other is of the thief on the cross. He states that because Jesus never mentions baptism, that it is proof that it is not a requirement. I must stop here and say this. If that is the truth, why in the world do you waste your time with it at all? The truth that is not addressed is that the New Covenant did not begin until Jesus entered into Heaven. The temple curtain had not even torn in two when Jesus forgave the thief (representing the direct access we now had to our savior) and Jesus himself said that the Holy Spirit could not come until he ascended into Heaven (John 16:7). The truth of the matter is that Jesus specifically addresses the importance of baptism in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16. If we reference our quality over quantity illustration, I certainly hope that we can agree that what Jesus says is our MOST quality scriptures of all.


The last point that the author of the Neverthirsty article mentions is Acts 10:43. He states that "Cornelius and his family were saved by faith without being baptized. Notice the Holy Spirit comes upon these new believers and Peter is surprised." Let's break that down. Referring to our rule #3, his first sentence simply is not in the scripture. It does not say that they were saved without baptism. The author has chosen to add it to support his preconceived belief that it is not essential. His second sentence is either a falsity told by the author or he is willingly blind. The scripture tells us that the Jewish Christians were surprised, NOT Peter, and they were surprised that the Holy Spirit would come down on Gentiles. Peter was not surprised and goes on to tell them that there is no reason the Gentiles can't be baptized (a condition of salvation as stated by the same author who is trying to prove it is not a condition of salvation). To examine it even further, Peter was an apostle, of which no longer exist today, and the power of the Holy Spirit was shown in this instance for the specific purpose of proving to the Jews that the Gentiles could receive salvation as well. If baptism was not essential, Peter would have said, "Welp, you've received the Holy Spirit so there's no need for baptism." Instead, baptism, as stated time and time again in the New Testament was essential for the washing of their sins; their salvation.


Let's examine Acts 2:37-38. Peter tells the people to repent AND be baptized FOR the forgiveness of their sins. By doing so he says the gift of the Holy Spirit is given. When examining this under the same microscope that the faith-only crowd might do, I could say that since faith and God's grace is not mentioned, that neither are required for salvation. We know that this is not true, but if we are basing our rules by assuming that not seeing faith and grace in this passage somehow negates them from being required for salvation, we are doing the same thing that is being done when saying that baptism is not required because it isn't mentioned in a faith only verse. We know this is silly, but if it applies one way, then it must apply both ways. In the end, the decision must be made to apply the New Covenant as a whole, not in parts and under the lens of denominational importance.


Now let's walk through 1 Peter 3:21. This verse is used to try and convince people that baptism is a symbol. However, it does the complete opposite and shows that it is not only NOT a symbol, but a "condition of salvation". "...and this water (this is the water of Noah's flood) symbolizes baptism (note that the WATER symbolizes baptism, not the other way around) that now saves you also (it is very clearly saying that the baptism now saves you)." We're going to pause here and go back to the first "significant" statement that my Bible app tried to tell me today: "Baptism isn't what saves you". This verse LITERALLY word for word just said that it does save you. Okay, back to 1 Peter 3:21 "...that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It (It being baptism) saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." Twice in one single verse we are told that baptism saves us. Faith and grace are nowhere mentioned again as a reference back to my last paragraph. Instead we are told twice that baptism saves us and that it saves us through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Note that the resurrection is mentioned. This should be important in referencing pre-resurrection times when Jesus told people they were saved (Luke 7:50 and the thief on the cross).


The last point I would like to address is the common argument that baptism cannot be necessary because it is a work and that the Bible says we are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8-9). Let's review our rule #3 again. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that baptism is a work. But let's take it even further. Let's say the Bible had a verse that specifically stated, "Baptism is a work" and nothing else changed in the Bible. Would this negate Jesus himself saying that "Whoever believes AND is baptized will be saved"? (Mark 16:16) Of course it wouldn't, but somehow the faith-only crowd would like use Eph 2:8-9 against Jesus himself! Baptism is not a work but rather is an act of faith that is shown over and over again to be an essential part of our salvation.


For example, I took a Christian brother to his cancer treatment today and went "out of my way" to do so. This was a work of faith. It was a work of love (I hope). But do I think this work saves me? Of course not! I did it because Jesus has asked me to look after the needy. I already know that Jesus did all the work for me on the cross. But being baptized is not going "out of my way". It is simply doing what Jesus commands us to do and says saves us.


It's been brought to my attention more than once when getting to this point that people will change the debate to something like, "Well what about the primitive villager in Brazil who has never seen a Bible and could never have been baptized or had a chance to know about Jesus. You're saying they all went to Hell?" It shouldn't have to be said, but I am not the judge of anyone's eternal situation. God is completely in charge there and I believe that God examines each and every person and the situation within which he has placed them.


The focus should not be placed on the primitive who does not have a Bible, but on the Christian who DOES have the Bible. Don't you believe that God would be much less pleased with the person who had the knowledge at their fingertips every day of their life, yet refused to look past what their denomination had taught them? Religion is just a set of rules, but spirituality is the FREEDOM to examine God's perfect holy Word for ourselves. It's time to break away from our denominational sunglasses and find the truth for ourselves.


I want to end with this: I SINCERELY and very badly want to go to Heaven and worship my creator forever. I personally believe that I have found that answer through belief, repentance, faith, grace, mercy...and yes, baptism. If I am wrong, I want someone to tell me why. Apply rules 1-3 above and if you can dispute anything I've said, please let me know. God be the glory always.


References:

1. www.neverthirsty.org/bible-q/qa-archives/question/the-bible-never-says-that-we-have-to-be-baptized-to-be-saved

2. YouVersion Bible Application Plan "What is Baptism?"
 

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I personally believe that I have found that answer through belief, repentance, faith, grace, mercy...and yes, baptism.

God is Spirit.

So "Baptism" is baptism by the Spirit
since we don't all have water around
to dunk into.

And to symbolise this baptism by the
Spirit, we use water baptism, often
in our local church.

We are all born of water, the birth process,
then we are born of Spirit at some point.
The second birth.
 
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God is Spirit.

So "Baptism" is baptism by the Spirit
since we don't all have water around
to dunk into.

And to symbolise this baptism by the
Spirit, we use water baptism, often
in our local church.

We are all born of water, the birth process,
then we are born of Spirit at some point.
The second birth.

You didn't follow rule #3. The Bible does not have a scripture that supports your reply. Please provide a scripture that supports your ideas. Remember, we should only follow what scripture says, not our preconceived notions of what we THINK it says. Thanks!
 
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You didn't follow rule #3. The Bible does not have a scripture that supports your reply. Please provide a scripture that supports your ideas. Remember, we should only follow what scripture says, not our preconceived notions of what we THINK it says. Thanks!

Which part would you like support for?

24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This passage says that we don't provide anything to get our free gift.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

This passage says that the symbolism helps prepare us to receive a free gift.

Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’

This passage says that the symbolism helps us to receive a free gift.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This passage says that the symbolism helps us to receive a free gift.

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

This passage says that works or rules are bad.

There are "No Water - yet saved" stories.
The thief on the cross.
The adultery women told to go and stop sinning.
Every OT person who lived before Jesus.
 
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Why Baptism is Essential to Salvation

Water baptism is not essential, but it does help prepare for Spiritual Baptism,
a free gift.

1 Peter 3
21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
 
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Which part would you like support for?

24 God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

This passage says that we don't provide anything to get our free gift.

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

This passage says that the symbolism helps prepare us to receive a free gift.

Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’

This passage says that the symbolism helps us to receive a free gift.

Acts 2:38
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

This passage says that the symbolism helps us to receive a free gift.

Matthew 23:23
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

This passage says that works or rules are bad.

There are "No Water - yet saved" stories.
The thief on the cross.
The adultery women told to go and stop sinning.
Every OT person who lived before Jesus.
I'm not certain that you actually read my article. You keep saying that this verses address baptism as being a symbol. I very clearly address how it is not a symbol, but a "condition of salvation". Your last paragraph about pre resurrection salvation is also addressed. Please read it carefully. Thanks!
 
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I'm not certain that you actually read my article. You keep saying that this verses address baptism as being a symbol. I very clearly address how it is not a symbol, but a "condition of salvation". Your last paragraph about pre resurrection salvation is also addressed. Please read it carefully. Thanks!

Sorry. I can only address specific verses.
I am a NT kind of guy.


1 Peter 3
21 and this water symbolizes
baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

No-water example
10Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?” 11“No one, Lord,” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you, Jesus declared. “Now” go andsin no more.

No-Water example
42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will bewith Me in Paradise.”
 
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Why Baptism is Essential to Salvation: It's Time to Take Off the Denominational Sunglasses


I want to preface this by making sure the reader understands two things:


1. I was raised in the church of Christ and realize that there is a history of bad blood between members of the church and, say, Baptists or Presbyterians who do not believe in the essential nature of baptism. Rightfully so, these denominations have felt they are condemned by their "faith only" salvation mindset by members of the church of Christ. I personally have chosen to believe that if you say you are a Christian, and are living that out in your life, that I just choose to believe that you are a Christian. However, I firmly believe that your faith is blinded by denominational terminology and tradition and that if you are truly seeking the Kingdom, that you will listen to what I have to say. As the title suggests, it's time to take off the 'denominational sunglasses' and try and look at the scripture for what IT says, not what MAN says about scripture. I believe that the churches of Christ have some glaring faults that have been and are being addressed, but none of them are salvation important faults. I do believe that in the area of baptism, the church of Christ is the only section of Christendom that may have it right. I pray that this is not true though.


2. You may not believe it, but I do NOT look at denominations as the enemy, but as the opportunity. I care SO much that the Christ seeker looks to scripture and not to their man made traditions. In Matthew 6:33, Jesus commands us to seek FIRST his kingdom. I'm seeking this not just for myself, but hopefully for everyone around me. I promise you I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm just trying to encourage people to step outside of the only religious boundaries we know, and truly examine the scriptures as our only guide.


We need to go into this with a set of rules to establish our foundation. As long as we can start here, we have a level playing field. If we can't agree on them then you may as well not be reading this in the first place. These rules are:


1. We agree that the Bible and the scripture within are God breathed and inspired.


2. We agree that ALL of what the Bible teaches is accurate, true and essential to our knowledge of Him who created us.


3. (And this is where I feel, unfortunately, I'm going to lose some of you) What the scripture states (or does not state) is vastly more important than man made terminology we have created over time.


#3 is where we need to start. It is vital in your Christian walk to know that if your denomination has a term, or set of words that are not specifically in scripture, that you SERIOUSLY question that ideology. For instance, The Sinner's Prayer is a good example. It simply is not in the Bible. The term "Accept Jesus into your heart" simply is not in the Bible. The statement "Baptism is only a symbol" is, once again, simply not in the Bible. All three of the above statements have come from interpretations of select verses without looking at the whole.


Let's begin with an example of quality versus quantity so that we can illustrate some of the following points. When examining textual variations within some of the thousands of Biblical manuscripts that we have obtained over time, scholars have a set of rules that they apply to what should stay and what should not (read "How We Got The Bible" by Lightfoot for more on this. It is also an excellent book). When there is a variation between manuscripts, scholars choose to look towards the most quality manuscript first, not necessarily the quantity of manuscripts with the variation. When looking at the following, it is important that just because a quantity of scriptures does not mention a particular item, it does not negate the quality scriptures that do.


I began thinking of writing this when I opened my Bible application on my phone and found an article titled, "What is Baptism?". Curiously I opened it and found the following points that they state are "significant". First, they say "Baptism isn't what saves you." They back this statement up with Ephesians 2:8-9, a favorite of the faith-only crowd. Look at rule #3 above. This verse simply does not say "Baptism isn't what saves you". This is the reader adding this to the chosen scripture. You can say baptism isn't what saves you all day long, but if you read Acts 2:37-38, it clearly says that repentance and baptism are essential to the forgiveness of sins (here again we must agree that forgiveness of sins is salvation or we aren't standing on an even ground once more). But we'll come back to this.


The second statement the article made was "Baptism is a symbol." I was discouraged to find that there was no scripture to even back this statement up. A Bible App, making Bible statements with no scriptural backing? Alarms should go off for anyone in this case. I can only assume that they would refer to 1 Peter 3:21 which is constantly misread and taken out of context to try and support the "baptism is a symbol" statement. We'll also examine this scripture as well.


I opened up an article on Neverthirsty.org where a reader states that they believe that baptism is required for salvation. The reader chooses Acts 2:36-38, John 3:1-7 and Romans 6:3-4 as sources for this belief. The unnamed author then chooses to make four points that state why baptism is not essential to salvation. In his very first paragraph he completely negates the rest of his argument. He says, "We need to honestly ask ourselves the following question. Why, if baptism is the key difference between eternal life with God or eternal life in hell why does it ONLY show up in four places in the New Testament "as a condition of salvation" " (not edited for grammatical errors). I had to stop and re-read it. Did he just admit that scripture has baptism as a condition of salvation, and yet, because it is only in there four times, that it's not applicable? He goes on to state that at least "25 other times baptism is never mentioned as a condition of salvation". My first question to the author is, how many times does the Bible need to state ANYTHING is a condition of salvation before you agree that it is, in fact, a condition of salvation??? Let's also go back to our quality versus quantity statement. First of all, I disagree that there are ONLY four, but even if there were, would a verse that only mentions faith completely negate a verse that mentions repentance and baptism? Refer to rule #2 above.


Here's a silly yet applicable illustration. If Acts 2:37-38 mentioned that forgiveness of sins required repentance and dipping your head in goat urine, yet it was mentioned nowhere else in the Bible and only faith was mentioned, would that negate the goat urine act? I very much hope that you, along with me would gladly dip your head in the urine for your salvation! However the goat urine is baptism and baptism is mentioned far more than once in reference to the forgiveness of our sins, the washing of our sins and our salvation through baptism.


I'd like to address his other points as well. Two of them are easily addressed. He references Luke 7:50 where Jesus says to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." The other is of the thief on the cross. He states that because Jesus never mentions baptism, that it is proof that it is not a requirement. I must stop here and say this. If that is the truth, why in the world do you waste your time with it at all? The truth that is not addressed is that the New Covenant did not begin until Jesus entered into Heaven. The temple curtain had not even torn in two when Jesus forgave the thief (representing the direct access we now had to our savior) and Jesus himself said that the Holy Spirit could not come until he ascended into Heaven (John 16:7). The truth of the matter is that Jesus specifically addresses the importance of baptism in Matthew 28:19 and Mark 16:16. If we reference our quality over quantity illustration, I certainly hope that we can agree that what Jesus says is our MOST quality scriptures of all.


The last point that the author of the Neverthirsty article mentions is Acts 10:43. He states that "Cornelius and his family were saved by faith without being baptized. Notice the Holy Spirit comes upon these new believers and Peter is surprised." Let's break that down. Referring to our rule #3, his first sentence simply is not in the scripture. It does not say that they were saved without baptism. The author has chosen to add it to support his preconceived belief that it is not essential. His second sentence is either a falsity told by the author or he is willingly blind. The scripture tells us that the Jewish Christians were surprised, NOT Peter, and they were surprised that the Holy Spirit would come down on Gentiles. Peter was not surprised and goes on to tell them that there is no reason the Gentiles can't be baptized (a condition of salvation as stated by the same author who is trying to prove it is not a condition of salvation). To examine it even further, Peter was an apostle, of which no longer exist today, and the power of the Holy Spirit was shown in this instance for the specific purpose of proving to the Jews that the Gentiles could receive salvation as well. If baptism was not essential, Peter would have said, "Welp, you've received the Holy Spirit so there's no need for baptism." Instead, baptism, as stated time and time again in the New Testament was essential for the washing of their sins; their salvation.


Let's examine Acts 2:37-38. Peter tells the people to repent AND be baptized FOR the forgiveness of their sins. By doing so he says the gift of the Holy Spirit is given. When examining this under the same microscope that the faith-only crowd might do, I could say that since faith and God's grace is not mentioned, that neither are required for salvation. We know that this is not true, but if we are basing our rules by assuming that not seeing faith and grace in this passage somehow negates them from being required for salvation, we are doing the same thing that is being done when saying that baptism is not required because it isn't mentioned in a faith only verse. We know this is silly, but if it applies one way, then it must apply both ways. In the end, the decision must be made to apply the New Covenant as a whole, not in parts and under the lens of denominational importance.


Now let's walk through 1 Peter 3:21. This verse is used to try and convince people that baptism is a symbol. However, it does the complete opposite and shows that it is not only NOT a symbol, but a "condition of salvation". "...and this water (this is the water of Noah's flood) symbolizes baptism (note that the WATER symbolizes baptism, not the other way around) that now saves you also (it is very clearly saying that the baptism now saves you)." We're going to pause here and go back to the first "significant" statement that my Bible app tried to tell me today: "Baptism isn't what saves you". This verse LITERALLY word for word just said that it does save you. Okay, back to 1 Peter 3:21 "...that now saves you also-not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It (It being baptism) saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ." Twice in one single verse we are told that baptism saves us. Faith and grace are nowhere mentioned again as a reference back to my last paragraph. Instead we are told twice that baptism saves us and that it saves us through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Note that the resurrection is mentioned. This should be important in referencing pre-resurrection times when Jesus told people they were saved (Luke 7:50 and the thief on the cross).


The last point I would like to address is the common argument that baptism cannot be necessary because it is a work and that the Bible says we are not saved by works (Eph. 2:8-9). Let's review our rule #3 again. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that baptism is a work. But let's take it even further. Let's say the Bible had a verse that specifically stated, "Baptism is a work" and nothing else changed in the Bible. Would this negate Jesus himself saying that "Whoever believes AND is baptized will be saved"? (Mark 16:16) Of course it wouldn't, but somehow the faith-only crowd would like use Eph 2:8-9 against Jesus himself! Baptism is not a work but rather is an act of faith that is shown over and over again to be an essential part of our salvation.


For example, I took a Christian brother to his cancer treatment today and went "out of my way" to do so. This was a work of faith. It was a work of love (I hope). But do I think this work saves me? Of course not! I did it because Jesus has asked me to look after the needy. I already know that Jesus did all the work for me on the cross. But being baptized is not going "out of my way". It is simply doing what Jesus commands us to do and says saves us.


It's been brought to my attention more than once when getting to this point that people will change the debate to something like, "Well what about the primitive villager in Brazil who has never seen a Bible and could never have been baptized or had a chance to know about Jesus. You're saying they all went to Hell?" It shouldn't have to be said, but I am not the judge of anyone's eternal situation. God is completely in charge there and I believe that God examines each and every person and the situation within which he has placed them.


The focus should not be placed on the primitive who does not have a Bible, but on the Christian who DOES have the Bible. Don't you believe that God would be much less pleased with the person who had the knowledge at their fingertips every day of their life, yet refused to look past what their denomination had taught them? Religion is just a set of rules, but spirituality is the FREEDOM to examine God's perfect holy Word for ourselves. It's time to break away from our denominational sunglasses and find the truth for ourselves.


I want to end with this: I SINCERELY and very badly want to go to Heaven and worship my creator forever. I personally believe that I have found that answer through belief, repentance, faith, grace, mercy...and yes, baptism. If I am wrong, I want someone to tell me why. Apply rules 1-3 above and if you can dispute anything I've said, please let me know. God be the glory always.


References:

1. www.neverthirsty.org/bible-q/qa-archives/question/the-bible-never-says-that-we-have-to-be-baptized-to-be-saved

2. YouVersion Bible Application Plan "What is Baptism?"


Very interesting and much debated topic among Christians. Let me preface my reply by saying that I am a fundamental Baptist and was saved and Baptized about 3 years ago. I certainly agree that Baptism is an important part of our walk with Christ and is something he included in the great commission. With that being said I disagree that the act of Baptism "saves" us. Here is an excerpt from the MacArthur New Testament Commentary on John 3 and raises some valid points as to the context of some of the verses you included.

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” (3:4–8)

Jesus’ shocking statement was far more than Nicodemus had expected. Incredulous, Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Certainly, this highly educated Pharisee was not so obtuse as to have misinterpreted Jesus’ words in a simplistically literal sense. He knew our Lord was not talking about being physically reborn, but he replied in the context of the Lord’s analogy. How could he start all over, go back to the beginning? Jesus was telling him that entrance to God’s salvation was not a matter of adding something to all his efforts, not topping off his religious devotion, but rather canceling everything and starting all over again. At the same time, he clearly could not grasp the full meaning of what that meant. His questions convey his confusion, as he openly wondered at the impossibility of Christ’s statement. Jesus was asking for something that was not humanly possible (to be born again); He was making entrance into the kingdom contingent on something that could not be obtained through human effort. But if that was true, what did it mean for Nicodemus’s works-based system? If spiritual rebirth, like physical rebirth, was impossible from a human standpoint, then where did that leave this self-righteous Pharisee?

Far from minimizing the demands of the gospel, Jesus confronted Nicodemus with the most difficult challenge He could make. No wonder Christ would later say to His disciples, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!” (Mark 10:24). By calling him to be born again, Jesus challenged this most religious Jew to admit his spiritual bankruptcy and abandon everything he was trusting in for salvation. That is precisely what Paul did, as he declared in Philippians 3:8–9:

More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

Jesus answered Nicodemus’s confusion by elaborating on the truth He introduced in verse 3: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” A number of interpretations have been offered to explain the phrase born of water. Some see two births here, one natural, and the other spiritual. Proponents of this view interpret the water as the amniotic fluid that flows from the womb just before childbirth. But it is not clear that the ancients described natural birth in that way. Further, the phrase born of water and the Spirit parallels the phrase “born again” in verse 3; thus, only one birth is in view. Others see in the phrase born of water a reference to baptism, either that of John the Baptist, or Christian baptism. But Nicodemus would not have understood Christian baptism (which did not yet exist) nor misunderstood John the Baptist’s baptism. Nor would Jesus have refrained from baptizing people (4:2) if baptism were necessary for salvation. Still others see the phrase as a reference to Jewish ceremonial washings, which being born of the Spirit transcends. However the two terms are not in contrast with each other, but combine to form a parallel with the phrase “born again” in verse 3. (For a careful examination of the various interpretations of born of water, see D. A. Carson, The Gospel According to John,The Pillar New Testament Commentary [Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1991], 191–96.)

Since Jesus expected Nicodemus to understand this truth (v. 10), it must have been something with which he was familiar. Water and Spirit often refer symbolically in the Old Testament to spiritual renewal and cleansing (cf. Num. 19:17–19; Isa. 4:4; 32:15; 44:3; 55:1; Joel 2:28–29; Zech. 13:1). In one of the most glorious passages in all of Scripture describing Israel’s restoration to the Lord by the new covenant, God said through Ezekiel,

For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. (Ezek. 36:24–27)

It was surely this passage that Jesus had in mind, showing regeneration to be an Old Testament truth (cf. Deut. 30:6; Jer. 31:31–34; Ezek. 11:18–20) with which Nicodemus would have been acquainted. Against this Old Testament backdrop, Christ’s point was unmistakable: Without the spiritual washing of the soul, a cleansing accomplished only by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5) through the Word of God (Eph. 5:26), no one can enter God’s kingdom.

Jesus continued by further emphasizing that this spiritual cleansing is wholly a work of God, and not the result of human effort: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Just as only human nature can beget human nature, so also only the Holy Spirit can effect spiritual transformation. The term flesh (sarx) here refers merely to human nature (as it does in 1:13–14); in this context, it does not have the negative moral connotation that it frequently does in Paul’s writings (e.g., Rom. 8:1–8, 12–13). Even if a physical rebirth were possible, it would produce only flesh. Thus, only the Spirit can produce the spiritual birth required for entrance into God’s kingdom. Regeneration is entirely His work, unaided by any human effort (cf. Rom. 3:25).

Although Jesus’ words were based on Old Testament revelation, they ran completely contrary to everything Nicodemus had been taught. For his entire life he had believed that salvation came through his own external merit. Now he found it exceedingly difficult to think otherwise. Aware of his astonishment, Jesus continued, “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ ” The verb translated must is a strong term; John used it elsewhere in his gospel to refer to the necessity of the crucifixion (3:14; 12:34), of John the Baptist’s inferiority to Christ (3:30), of the proper method of worshiping God (4:24), of Jesus carrying out His ministry (4:4; 9:4; 10:16), and of the necessity of the resurrection (20:9). It was absolutely necessary for Nicodemus to get over his astonishment at being so wrong about how one is accepted into God’s kingdom and seek to be born again if he was to enter. And he could never do so based on his own righteous works.

Then the Lord illustrated His point with a familiar example from nature: “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” The wind cannot be controlled; it blows where it wishes. And though its general direction can be known, where it comes from and where it is going cannot be precisely determined. Nevertheless, the wind’s effects can be observed. The same is true of the work of the Spirit. His sovereign work of regeneration in the human heart can neither be controlled nor predicted. Yet its effects can be seen in the transformed lives of those who are born of the Spirit.

Again, I personally believe Baptism is very important as indicated in the following verses because it is evidence of salvation and a public profession of ones faith.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Luke 12:8-9 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”
 
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Sorry. I can only address specific verses.
I am a NT kind of guy.


1 Peter 3
21 and this water symbolizes
baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

No-water example
10Then Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are your accusers? Has no one condemned you?” 11“No one, Lord,” she answered. “Neither do I condemn you, Jesus declared. “Now” go andsin no more.

No-Water example
42Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when You come into Your kingdom!” 43And Jesus said to him, “Truly I tell you, today you will bewith Me in Paradise.”
I think I'll let my article be your reply. You're making my point for me, I just don't think you realize it. The water symbolizes baptism, not the other way around. And what does it say baptism does in 1 Pet 3:21? It says it saves you.

You also keep referring to pre resurrection salvation. I once again very clearly address this in the article as to why it does not validly address baptism being non essential.

I pray only to open the eyes of everyone including myself. For those who are really trying to learn by scripture ONLY, they will be able to see why your arguments only prove my points by reading my article. Thanks and God bless always!
 
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I think I'll let my article be your reply. You're making my point for me, I just don't think you realize it. The water symbolizes baptism, not the other way around. And what does it say baptism does in 1 Pet 3:21? It says it saves you.

You also keep referring to pre resurrection salvation. I once again very clearly address this in the article as to why it does not validly address baptism being non essential.

I pray only to open the eyes of everyone including myself. For those who are really trying to learn by scripture ONLY, they will be able to see why your arguments only prove my points by reading my article. Thanks and God bless always!

The water symbolizes baptism by Spirit, but water is not required.

Becasue God does not change over time,
my sermon is all in one sentence.
 
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For those who are really trying to learn by scripture ONLY, they will be able to see why your arguments only prove my points by reading my article.

Your article writings are not included in scripture.

For those who are really trying to learn by scripture ONLY...

30 Top Bible Verses About Baptism - Scripture on Being Baptized
15 Bible Verses About Baptism - What Christians Want To Know
11 Bible Verses about Baptism - DailyVerses.net
What Does the Bible Say About Water Baptism? - OpenBible.info


 
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Very interesting and much debated topic among Christians. Let me preface my reply by saying that I am a fundamental Baptist and was saved and Baptized about 3 years ago. I certainly agree that Baptism is an important part of our walk with Christ and is something he included in the great commission. With that being said I disagree that the act of Baptism "saves" us. Here is an excerpt from the MacArthur New Testament Commentary on John 3 and raises some valid points as to the context of some of the verses you included.

Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” (3:4–8)

Jesus’ shocking statement was far more than Nicodemus had expected. Incredulous, Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Certainly, this highly educated Pharisee was not so obtuse as to have misinterpreted Jesus’ words in a simplistically literal sense. He knew our Lord was not talking about being physically reborn, but he replied in the context of the Lord’s analogy. How could he start all over, go back to the beginning? Jesus was telling him that entrance to God’s salvation was not a matter of adding something to all his efforts, not topping off his religious devotion, but rather canceling everything and starting all over again. At the same time, he clearly could not grasp the full meaning of what that meant. His questions convey his confusion, as he openly wondered at the impossibility of Christ’s statement. Jesus was asking for something that was not humanly possible (to be born again); He was making entrance into the kingdom contingent on something that could not be obtained through human effort. But if that was true, what did it mean for Nicodemus’s works-based system? If spiritual rebirth, like physical rebirth, was impossible from a human standpoint, then where did that leave this self-righteous Pharisee?

Far from minimizing the demands of the gospel, Jesus confronted Nicodemus with the most difficult challenge He could make. No wonder Christ would later say to His disciples, “Children, how hard it is to enter the kingdom of God!” (Mark 10:24). By calling him to be born again, Jesus challenged this most religious Jew to admit his spiritual bankruptcy and abandon everything he was trusting in for salvation. That is precisely what Paul did, as he declared in Philippians 3:8–9:

More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith.

Jesus answered Nicodemus’s confusion by elaborating on the truth He introduced in verse 3: “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” A number of interpretations have been offered to explain the phrase born of water. Some see two births here, one natural, and the other spiritual. Proponents of this view interpret the water as the amniotic fluid that flows from the womb just before childbirth. But it is not clear that the ancients described natural birth in that way. Further, the phrase born of water and the Spirit parallels the phrase “born again” in verse 3; thus, only one birth is in view. Others see in the phrase born of water a reference to baptism, either that of John the Baptist, or Christian baptism. But Nicodemus would not have understood Christian baptism (which did not yet exist) nor misunderstood John the Baptist’s baptism. Nor would Jesus have refrained from baptizing people (4:2) if baptism were necessary for salvation. Still others see the phrase as a reference to Jewish ceremonial washings, which being born of the Spirit transcends. However the two terms are not in contrast with each other, but combine to form a parallel with the phrase “born again” in verse 3. (For a careful examination of the various interpretations of born of water, see D. A. Carson, The Gospel According to John,The Pillar New Testament Commentary [Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1991], 191–96.)

Since Jesus expected Nicodemus to understand this truth (v. 10), it must have been something with which he was familiar. Water and Spirit often refer symbolically in the Old Testament to spiritual renewal and cleansing (cf. Num. 19:17–19; Isa. 4:4; 32:15; 44:3; 55:1; Joel 2:28–29; Zech. 13:1). In one of the most glorious passages in all of Scripture describing Israel’s restoration to the Lord by the new covenant, God said through Ezekiel,

For I will take you from the nations, gather you from all the lands and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your filthiness and from all your idols. Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances. (Ezek. 36:24–27)

It was surely this passage that Jesus had in mind, showing regeneration to be an Old Testament truth (cf. Deut. 30:6; Jer. 31:31–34; Ezek. 11:18–20) with which Nicodemus would have been acquainted. Against this Old Testament backdrop, Christ’s point was unmistakable: Without the spiritual washing of the soul, a cleansing accomplished only by the Holy Spirit (Titus 3:5) through the Word of God (Eph. 5:26), no one can enter God’s kingdom.

Jesus continued by further emphasizing that this spiritual cleansing is wholly a work of God, and not the result of human effort: “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” Just as only human nature can beget human nature, so also only the Holy Spirit can effect spiritual transformation. The term flesh (sarx) here refers merely to human nature (as it does in 1:13–14); in this context, it does not have the negative moral connotation that it frequently does in Paul’s writings (e.g., Rom. 8:1–8, 12–13). Even if a physical rebirth were possible, it would produce only flesh. Thus, only the Spirit can produce the spiritual birth required for entrance into God’s kingdom. Regeneration is entirely His work, unaided by any human effort (cf. Rom. 3:25).

Although Jesus’ words were based on Old Testament revelation, they ran completely contrary to everything Nicodemus had been taught. For his entire life he had believed that salvation came through his own external merit. Now he found it exceedingly difficult to think otherwise. Aware of his astonishment, Jesus continued, “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ ” The verb translated must is a strong term; John used it elsewhere in his gospel to refer to the necessity of the crucifixion (3:14; 12:34), of John the Baptist’s inferiority to Christ (3:30), of the proper method of worshiping God (4:24), of Jesus carrying out His ministry (4:4; 9:4; 10:16), and of the necessity of the resurrection (20:9). It was absolutely necessary for Nicodemus to get over his astonishment at being so wrong about how one is accepted into God’s kingdom and seek to be born again if he was to enter. And he could never do so based on his own righteous works.

Then the Lord illustrated His point with a familiar example from nature: “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” The wind cannot be controlled; it blows where it wishes. And though its general direction can be known, where it comes from and where it is going cannot be precisely determined. Nevertheless, the wind’s effects can be observed. The same is true of the work of the Spirit. His sovereign work of regeneration in the human heart can neither be controlled nor predicted. Yet its effects can be seen in the transformed lives of those who are born of the Spirit.

Again, I personally believe Baptism is very important as indicated in the following verses because it is evidence of salvation and a public profession of ones faith.
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

Luke 12:8-9 “I tell you, whoever publicly acknowledges me before others, the Son of Man will also acknowledge before the angels of God. But whoever disowns me before others will be disowned before the angels of God.

Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.”

Thanks for your response! I'm not certain that a long commentary is needed though. I'd like to point out that although you say you believe baptism is very important, none of the verses you used to base this off of had baptism referenced. Please tell me in your own words how Acts 2:37-38 and 1 Peter 3:21 tells us how baptism DOESN'T save us and is not required. That's all I'm asking for. Thanks!
 
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But the scripture supporting word for word what I'm trying to say is. Your scriptures have also supported the essential nature of baptism. Don't stoop to this level sir or ma'am. Just tell me how Acts 2:37-38 and 1 Peter 3:21 do not support baptism as being essential. That's all I'm trying to get at. I'm REALLY interested! I want to know the truth and that's all! If I read the whole New Testament, I am saved through the resurrection, by belief, repentance, faith, mercy, and baptism. All of them are essential. I'm just trying to get you and others to see it as a whole. Thanks!
 
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But the scripture supporting word for word what I'm trying to say is. Your scriptures have also supported the essential nature of baptism. Don't stoop to this level sir or ma'am. Just tell me how Acts 2:37-38 and 1 Peter 3:21 do not support baptism as being essential. That's all I'm trying to get at. I'm REALLY interested! I want to know the truth and that's all! If I read the whole New Testament, I am saved through the resurrection, by belief, repentance, faith, mercy, and baptism. All of them are essential. I'm just trying to get you and others to see it as a whole. Thanks!

The water symbolizes the essential baptism by Spirit, but water is not required.
Baptism by the Spirit is direct and free, available even without any additional scripture.

Rom1
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest inthem; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that (all people) are without excuse:
 
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The water symbolizes the essential baptism by Spirit, but water is not required.

Becasue God does not change over time, my sermon is all in one sentence.
Yes sir you already said that. Water was certainly required throughout every single instance of baptism in the book of Acts and nowhere in the Bible do we find a verse that says water is not required in baptism. We're not debating water being a requirement though, we're looking at the essential nature of baptism itself. Thanks!
 
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Yes sir you already said that. Water was certainly required throughout every single instance of baptism in the book of Acts and nowhere in the Bible do we find a verse that says water is not required in baptism. We're not debating water being a requirement though, we're looking at the essential nature of baptism itself. Thanks!

The Essential nature (Brass Tacks) includes no water or scripture or any other those other words you mentioned.

Rom1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that (all people) are without excuse:
 
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The Essential nature includes no water or scripture or any other those other words you mentioned.

Rom1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that (all people) are without excuse:
For those following this, I'd like to point to my rule #3 in the article. The statement was made that the 'essential nature (I can only assume we're still talking about baptism) includes no water" and then Romans 1:20 is referenced which clearly has nothing to do with that statement. If baptism does not include water, please show me scripturally where it says that. All of my references and the book of Acts clearly contain water. Please show me the verse that says baptism does not require water.
 
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I do not know of people who believe the water itself saves you, since all believe it is God who saves and God is not limited by water.

Water baptism is not a “requirement” for salvation since God does the saving, but is something Christians get to do in order to help them.

New Christians may not tap into everything that is available to them to help them experience the transformation:


I know that I needed everything God could provide to assure me of my conversion, both outwardly and mentally. God wants you to physically feel the experience of what is going on Spiritually.

You need to add to your conversion a definite time place and physical experience, which God has provided for you. We talk about being “Born again”, which comes from Nicodemus encounter with Christ (John 3 :1-21):


Being “born again” is what Jesus told Nicodemus he need to do. This requires some thinking, because Jesus does not address the questions or comments that are verbalized, but directs his comments to the persons next step in their pe

personal spiritual development (what is on their heart spiritually). Jesus is not making some general philosophical statement (like Buddha might make) but is always addressing the audience He is talking to. We have to get into the context.

What did Nicodemus need to do next in his spiritual development?

What does Nicodemus need to be doing next? (study the Old Testament, become one of the followers of Jesus right then and there, Confess, repent, etc.)

The first thing Nicodemus might do at least is what he already knows he should do? Is that not where you would start? So what is that?

Since Nicodemus is still part of the Sanhedrin, he would not have been immersed baptized by John’s baptism. That would have got him thrown out of the Sanhedrin, but being smart Nicodemus would know he should be baptized.

John’s baptism would have been a hot topic among the religious scholars, yet the answer was obvious and they all know it (remember Jesus using it against them and causing them to quit asking him questions?)

Jesus is not going to hand out the answer to Nicodemus, since Nicodemus knows the answer, but he will make Nicodemus think about it hard, since it would already be on his mind.



Christian water baptism as seen in scripture seems to fit the “born again” scenario Christ was talking about since it: Is always adult (there are only two examples that “might include infants” but nothing definite, all the others are adult believers) water immersion to be a physical outward representation of what had or is happening spiritually in the person being baptized. It is mainly to help the individual being baptized to better grasp what is going on, but it can “witness” to others observing the baptism. It has the elements of going down under the water (burying the old man), placing your dependence in another; the person baptizing you (surrendering your life to God), being washed (having your sins washed away), rising out of the water (rising from the old dead body), and stepping forth out onto the earth (a new person). The person is walking out into the hugs of his new family. It is also a sign of your humility, since it is a humbling act anyone can simple allow someone to do it to them (so not a work) and since humility has been shown in the accept of charity (God’s free gift of undeserving forgiveness) it should just support and add to the memory of that acceptance. To refuse Christian water baptism when it is readily available might mean you are not ready to handle other responsibility like having the indwelling Holy Spirit and you are hurting yourself.

Why not be baptized again (there is no rule against this) to experience all you can from being baptized?

Yes, Ro. 10 is silent about baptism, but silence is not a proof for anything and baptism was not the topic being discussed, the Jews had to believe first, so baptism would be down the road.

Is the real problem with humility, since adult water baptism is a humbling act?

Is the problem with “witnessing” since baptism help other Christians remember what they went through?

The whole “argument” about the “one” baptism having to be “spiritual baptism” so we do not need to (or even shouldn’t) be water immersed is not supported by scriptural examples, since everyone that was “baptized” by the Holy Spirit seems to have also been water baptized.

In an effort to emphasis God’s unconditional (salvation), water baptism of believers has been avoided as a subject. People have “argued” that water baptism is a work and since “works” are not required for salvation, water baptism must be avoided. Most “Christian” religious groups “allow” immersion of believers if they want it.

The problem with this reasoning is adult believer immersion is not something you “do” (work), but is something you allow to be done to you. It is not something “done” as some requirement, but is something you get to do for your sake (to help you) and the sake of others.
 
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